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Max Power
7-19-05, 9:21 AM
I know this has been talked about before but apparently next season the east and west Canadian teams won?t play each other like they did before. Supposable it?s to cut costs and improve division rivalries.
To me this sucks because I love when the Canadian teams play each other and the great hockey day in Canada. Since the limited amount of Canadian teams you?d think they?d be able to make an exception.

This article is written by a Toronto reporter so try to ignore the Maple Leaf self-righteousness and not turn this into a bash fest.


Among Canadian hockey fans, no team raises passions like the Toronto Maple Leafs.

If you're one of their fans, you bleed blue and white and you consider yourself part of the Leafs Nation.

If you're a fan of any other Canadian team, your second-favourite team is whoever is playing the Leafs that night, and there's no hotter ticket than the one that gets you into the arena when the Leafs come to your city.

For Montreal and Ottawa, the new collective bargaining agreement won't change any of that.

But if you're in Vancouver, Calgary or Edmonton, you're about to find out how much you really mean to the people who run the National Hockey League.


From now on, the Leafs will come to your town once every three years.

The plan that, according to a well-placed source, is "almost certain" to be imposed, will see divisional rivals play each other eight times per season. Each team will also play four games against the other 10 teams in the conference.

To get to the 82 required for a full season, a team will play a home-and-home series against one division in the other conference on a rotation basis.

Loyal fans across Canada

It's not only the fans of the Canucks, Flames and Oilers who will feel the impact of this decision. In all of those cities, as in every city in Canada, the Leafs have lots of loyal fans and they too will be short-changed.

Back in 1997, the then-GM of the Leafs, Ken Dryden -- who is now the minister in charge of spending taxpayers' money to replace parents with state-subsidized surrogates -- recognized the importance of the Leafs in Canadian society.

He wanted what made sense for his team -- a move from the Western Conference to the Eastern Conference. But he also wanted to minimize damage to the Leafs' mystique across the country.

So a deal was arranged whereby Toronto would join the other eastern teams but, unlike the others in the conference, play twice a year in each of the western Canada venues.

In order to make this accommodation to their schedule, the Leafs didn't travel to the Pacific Division.

Even though the franchise has fans everywhere, it made a lot more sense to give Canadians -- who love and hate the Leafs with passion -- what they wanted, even if it meant shortchanging Leafs fans in cities like Los Angeles and San Jose.

But under the new NHL order, the sensibilities of Canadian fans are of no great concern.

The league is run by lawyers who, naturally enough, think like lawyers. In their minds (one uses the word loosely), all rules must be equally applied. There is no room for emotion, only the enduring fiction of "equality under the law" and the all-important bottom line.

REDUCES TRAVEL COSTS

While there's no doubt that the new balanced schedule will heighten rivalries and can be rationalized on that basis, a significant aspect in its favour, as far as the owners are concerned, is that it reduces travel costs.

It is not inconceivable that some eastern teams could go through the entire regular season without having to spend 10 nights on the road.

The teams would therefore spend less on such things as hotel rooms, players' per-diem allowances and various other travel costs.

If you want to grab someone's attention in the new NHL, no phrase does it as successfully as "spend less".

On the other hand, phrases that are of not the slightest concern to the American owners, except perhaps for their soporific value, are ones relating to Canadian mystique, Canadian pride, Canadian passion, Canadian heritage etc.

Or for that matter, any two-word phrase that begins with "Canadian" except "Canadian revenue."

bluemeanie
7-19-05, 9:49 AM
Yeah, I don't know, I read about this yesterday and I wasn't so disappointed in the scheduling proposal. I really don't like the western road swings - I don't feel that we have the same rivalries like we did before the conference shift (excuse my Leaf-righteous stance) Besides, I didn't really enjoy those 10:30pm Tuesday night starts either. It probably sucks for a lot of eastern people that now live out west that are fans of the Leafs, Habs and Sens. But, I'm sure that the players won't be complaining. Personally, I'm looking forward to the improved rivalries between division brothers.

Newfie John
7-19-05, 9:50 AM
I like how I'll be able to see the leafs play the Sens and Habs 8 times a year. I'm going to miss the games we kill the Canucks though. That home and home series with them this past season was awesome(Leafs swept it). I like the fact there will be more home and homes.. those games are always awesome IMO. Rivalries will emerge and I love the idea. Sure, we won't be able to see the teams out west as much anymore, but thats a sacrifice I'd be willing to take in order to get more rivalries going. Imagine the revival of hockey in the states if they can see more Philly vs New Jersey, or Detroit vs Colarado, or Vancouver vs Colarado. Also it helps at the same time with the small market teams out west. They'll see the battle of Alberta 8 times! I think this idea is genious.

bluemeanie
7-19-05, 9:53 AM
I'm actually more disappointed in the fact that Detroit will only come to Toronto once every Three years... those are games worth going to.

Max Power
7-19-05, 9:59 AM
I'm actually more disappointed in the fact that Detroit will only come to Toronto once every Three years... those are games worth going to.

Yah and that makes no sense either because Detroit is so to us. Good point though I love watching Ott and Colorado go at it among many other Western teams. But I'll probably miss Vancouver and Edmonton the most, they?re always good games. Calgary not so much because they?re a clutch and grab team

slapshot™
7-19-05, 1:25 PM
Inter-division/conference rivalries are great...but increasing the number of those games comes at a cost.

As far as everyone clambering to watch their fave. team play the Leafs...it will change in 10 or 20 years when fans of the game will know nothing (have no personal memory) of the Original Six or the expansion of '67 and it won't mean much to them. Older fans grew up watching the Leafs and Habs.

Example: Here in Edmonton there are still a few die-hard Wing fans. That's because the Wings used to have a farm club here years ago. But, as time goes on those fans have dropped off. Detroit doesn't have the fan base here as they once had.

It may take longer (in regards to the Leafs) simply because of the bias of HNIC.

Over the last while the Rangers only come to Edmonton every second year. That's the way it goes. If that's the case with the Leafs, so be it. I think inter-division games are better as they prime the teams and fans up for what really counts - the playoffs.

leaferfan87
7-19-05, 1:40 PM
I think that Canadian teams should play each other at least twice every year. This is just another stupid blunder by the NHL. Were trying to appeal to our fans again, so let's cut off classic rivalries...because...because...well we're idiots. When I read this I really think whether the NHL has completely lost it. Maybe a Canadian division makes great sense even if the time differences and travel make it a hassle. We need a strong, united division in the NHL that can boast six strong franchises and create much heat and drama during the regular season.

Newfie John
7-19-05, 2:37 PM
I think that Canadian teams should play each other at least twice every year. This is just another stupid blunder by the NHL. Were trying to appeal to our fans again, so let's cut off classic rivalries...because...because...well we're idiots. When I read this I really think whether the NHL has completely lost it. Maybe a Canadian division makes great sense even if the time differences and travel make it a hassle. We need a strong, united division in the NHL that can boast six strong franchises and create much heat and drama during the regular season.

I'd love to see an All Canadian division. Now thats an idea.

PDO
7-19-05, 2:50 PM
I'd love to see an All Canadian division. Now thats an idea.

No way.. that'd be the toughest division in hockey by a long shot.. all 6 teams would never make the playoffs together again; and that's something I'm definetly not willing to sacrifice. As much as I dislike the other Canadian franchises (exception being Ottawa), I still want all 6 in the playoffs as many years as possible.

This will have a similar effect that is seen in baseball where the World Series/Inter-league play are a lot more hyped.

MadDevil
7-19-05, 5:51 PM
I don't really have a problem with this idea, I think it'll only help the league to get the divisional rivalries going. Sure, it sucks that Eastern fans won't get to see some of the Western teams every year, but it's not really that bad. At least now when they do, they get to see them twice in the same year, instead of sometimes only once. Besides, the Devils now have 2 more games a year to beat up on the Rangers.:D

Newfie John
7-19-05, 6:36 PM
No way.. that'd be the toughest division in hockey by a long shot.. all 6 teams would never make the playoffs together again; and that's something I'm definetly not willing to sacrifice. As much as I dislike the other Canadian franchises (exception being Ottawa), I still want all 6 in the playoffs as many years as possible.

This will have a similar effect that is seen in baseball where the World Series/Inter-league play are a lot more hyped.

It definately would be the toughest division, but I have no problem with that whatsoever. The leafs are in one of the toughest divisions, if not in the toughest division in hockey right now.

The Insider
7-19-05, 7:41 PM
I think there is definate positives and negatives to this arrangement, I think that even though the Eastern Canadian and Western Canadian teams will only play against each other twice every three years, limiting the conference to conference matchups will get rid of those ridiculous one shot games that have absolutely no emotion and even if something of a rivalry starts to brew, it may be a year before these teams play one another again. I am a little concerned though that teams like those in the Southeast may get easy wins by playing teams that finish out of the playoffs and since only Tampa made it to the playoffs when they last played it could very easily once again boost them up the conference standings.

So its a double edge knife no matter which way you look at it.

bluemeanie
7-20-05, 8:47 AM
I think there is definate positives and negatives to this arrangement, I think that even though the Eastern Canadian and Western Canadian teams will only play against each other twice every three years, limiting the conference to conference matchups will get rid of those ridiculous one shot games that have absolutely no emotion and even if something of a rivalry starts to brew, it may be a year before these teams play one another again. I am a little concerned though that teams like those in the Southeast may get easy wins by playing teams that finish out of the playoffs and since only Tampa made it to the playoffs when they last played it could very easily once again boost them up the conference standings.

So its a double edge knife no matter which way you look at it.

Tis a good point Lad, there will defiantly be some teams that capitalize from being in 'easier' divisions. Has anyone heard of any talk regarding the playoff seedings - I think that they should do away with the current format. Especially now since they're talking about expanding the playoff layout. Regardless though, I still like this scheduling arrangement better - every game will count.

Iced Tea
7-20-05, 3:12 PM
I'll miss the Canucks' games versus the Sens and Habs but not the Leafs. The reporter is living in a fantasy world if he thinks no Canucks/Leafs games will result in mass suicide of Western Leafies; they can still watch the Leafs play every Saturday at 4 PM PST/7 PM EST on CBC.