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swflyers25

7-13-05, 7:11 PM

NHL draft lottery primer
July 13, 2005

TORONTO (AP) -- The New York Rangers, Buffalo Sabres, Pittsburgh Penguins and Columbus Blue Jackets have the best chance of drafting Sidney Crosby first overall in the 2005 NHL draft.

Each of those teams will have the maximum three balls in the lottery barrel while the other 26 teams will have either two or one each.

The lottery is expected to be held next week at an NHL board of governors meeting to ratify the tentative collective bargaining agreement reached Wednesday between the NHL and the players' association.

The NHL wants to have the draft July 30 in Ottawa, according to sources.

Each team will have a chance at drafting first overall -- a departure from recent years when only the bottom five teams in the league from the regular season were involved in the lottery for the No. 1 pick.

This time around, teams' chances are weighted according to the following formula:

-- Each team starts with three balls and loses one for each playoff appearance in the last three years but only to a maximum of two, assuring each team will have at least one ball.

-- The teams which had the first overall pick in each of the last four drafts also lose a ball. Florida loses two for having the first pick twice -- in 2002 and 2003 -- even though the Panthers traded the first pick in both cases, and Washington (2004) and Atlanta (2001) lose one each.

That puts a total of 48 balls in the barrel with New York, Buffalo, Columbus and Pittsburgh each having a 6.25 percent chance of landing the first pick. Anaheim, Atlanta, Calgary, Carolina, Chicago, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Minnesota, Nashville and Phoenix each have two balls and a 4.17 percent chance. The remaining 16 teams have one ball each and a 2.08 percent chance.

Clubs will draft from 1 to 30 in the order the balls are picked. The first-round order will be reversed for the second round and flip on an alternating basis through the nine rounds.

Updated on Wednesday, Jul 13, 2005 6:57 pm EDT

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It would be decent to see him to go to CBJ or BUF. He could play with Nash or Satan. Not bad. God I hope the Rags don't get him and the Pens as well. They've had enough top picks.

Mel

7-13-05, 7:26 PM

God I hope the Rags don't get him and the Pens as well. They've had enough top picks.

:eek: like who? Name all the number one overall draft picks the Rangers have had in the past 15-20 years.

swflyers25

7-13-05, 7:42 PM

like who? Name all the number one overall draft picks the Rangers have had in the past 15-20 years.

My comment applies to the Pens only, not the Rags. Even so, I don't want the Rags to get them. After all their idiocy, they don't deserve to get Crosby. :curse:

Leafs_Fa_Life

7-13-05, 8:13 PM

My comment applies to the Pens only, not the Rags. Even so, I don't want the Rags to get them. After all their idiocy, they don't deserve to get Crosby. :curse:

How don't the Rangers "deserve" Crosby? The draft is to help struggling franchises, with sh*tty management. The Rangers fit the definition to me. Bad decisions, bad contracts, and bad records over the past decade.

MadDevil

7-13-05, 11:43 PM

Even so, I don't want the Rags to get them. After all their idiocy, they don't deserve to get Crosby. :curse:

To be perfectly honest, Crosby going to New York may actually help the NHL out more than if he ended up in Columbus, or Buffalo. One of the leagues brightest young talents in one of the NHL's biggest markets? If the Rangers have finally learned their lesson, and use their money wisely in the new NHL, Crosby going there may not be a bad thing. All that said, I think I'd rather see him in a place that has wisely spent their money in the past. And no, I don't mean the Devils (although I wouldn't mind if it did happen).:laughing:

Madferret

7-14-05, 12:13 AM

As I mentioned in another thread, what if Gretz does coach the Yotes and they get Crosby? Could be a big selling pitch. Me if he doesn't land on a Canadian team then I hope he goes to either Chicago or NYR. Be great for selling the game again in those markets where we know people are actually passionate about hockey.

bluemeanie

7-14-05, 8:42 AM

Yeah, good point. I was listening to Gretz last night on TSN, and his feeling was that it would be best for the league to see Crosby go to a small, struggling franchise... I guess he meant Columbus. He denied that anything was official regarding his pending coaching career... I bet Crosby going to his club would pretty much be like ink on the coaching contract. To be honest, with all the Crosby hype, I haven't heard much news about some of the other top seeded picks... anyone able to direct me to a useful breakdown of the picks?

Max Power

7-14-05, 9:03 AM

Rusty

7-14-05, 9:44 AM

I agree with Ferret, he should be going to Chicago first and foremost, and the Rangers second.

Newfie John

7-14-05, 11:02 AM

I think the league would be better off to see Crosby in Toronto. :nod:

bluemeanie

7-14-05, 11:06 AM

I think the league would be better off to see Crosby in Toronto. :nod:

Sure, then "everybody" would have to go from wanting Crosby to play on their team to having to hate him. And of coarse his career would be over even before it started... yadda yadda...

Newfie John

7-14-05, 11:08 AM

Sure, then "everybody" would have to go from wanting Crosby to play on their team to having to hate him. And of coarse his career would be over even before it started... yadda yadda...

Not to mention the draft being rigged. :eek:

Mel

7-14-05, 11:14 AM

If there's one American Hockey market that deserves to get excited about hockey again it is Chicago. They have been alienated from their beloved Hawks by their snake owner. The once proud and traditional hockey city now has horrible attendance and local games get blacked out on TV. Crosby could find a good home there...and as the 3rd largest city in the U.S., he'd get more press than in a small market such as Columbus. That would breathe life into not only a disenchanted original 6 market... but the whole league in general. Look what Michael Jordan did for the NBA while playing in Chicago. (Interest in the NBA has declined since those days)

Of course I'd like to see Crosby land on Broadway, but they already have a marquee player in Jagr and some young prospects to build around. If Crosby does come to the Rangers however... you won't see me complaining. :nod:

With the Rangers luck... even with 3 balls they'll probably get a late round pick! :rolleyes:

Max Power

7-14-05, 11:23 AM

Would you guys like me to play along =]
http://www.sandcastles-toys.com/images/mu-violin.jpg

Personally I'd love to see Crosby go to any Canadian team (even a TO) as a Canadian hockey fan. As a Sens fan if he goes to Mon or TO it's not so good if he turns out to be as good as all think he will.

If TO gets the #1 pick I'll be congratulating you guy fix fix fix fix fix

so does the 30 th team to pick get the 31st pick and so on or is this unknown yet

Newfie John

7-14-05, 11:25 AM

so does the 30 th team to pick get the 31st pick and so on or is this unknown yet

Yep, thats true. The draft will be a snake draft with 7 rounds.

bluemeanie

7-14-05, 11:29 AM

so does the 30 th team to pick get the 31st pick and so on or is this unknown yet

Apparently. They rotate the order after the first 30 picks, goes like that for 9 rounds.

"NEWS UPDATE:" All Team logos are to be screen printed on to ping-pong balls for the lottery, with the exception of the ball assigned to the Toronto Maple Leafs who's logo will be printed onto a beach ball.

slapshot™

7-14-05, 11:46 AM

"NEWS UPDATE:" All Team logos are to be screen printed on to ping-pong balls for the lottery, with the exception of the ball assigned to the Toronto Maple Leafs who's logo will be printed onto a beach ball.

I can see it now.....

First pick lottery ball signed by Sidney Crosby sold on Ebay to Todd McFarlane for oodles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/140000/images/_142338_powerball_draw.jpg

bluemeanie

7-14-05, 11:58 AM

I can see it now.....

First pick lottery ball signed by Sidney Crosby sold on Ebay to Todd McFarlane for oodles.

lol... I'm not sure that McFarlane has anything left after buying that "Fan-Fumbeled" Cubs World Series ball...

slapshot™

7-14-05, 12:19 PM

lol... I'm not sure that McFarlane has anything left after buying that "Fan-Fumbeled" Cubs World Series ball...

That may very well be true!

http://www.doheth.co.uk/profiles/cbg.gif

CBG: Tell you what. I'll show you something very special, if you promise to put your grubby little hands behind your back and keep them there.
(CBG unlocks briefcase and opens it)
CBG: Behold.
TMcF: Wow! Sidney Crosby signed lotto ball!
CBG: None other.
TMcF: I bet it's worth a million bucks.
CBG: It is my lad, but I will let you have it for a hundred because you remind me of me.
TMcF: Aw, all I got is thirty.
CBG: Then you cannot have.
TMcF: But I must. Until this moment I never knew why God put me on this earth, but now I know, to buy that ball.
CBG: Your motion is out of place here, son.

Rusty

7-14-05, 2:09 PM

"NEWS UPDATE:" All Team logos are to be screen printed on to ping-pong balls for the lottery, with the exception of the ball assigned to the Toronto Maple Leafs who's logo will be printed onto a beach ball.

But using a beach ball vice a Ping-pong ball will not work, it has to fall down that little chute thingy! Our luck would be that it gets stuck on Ottawa's ball!

bluemeanie

7-15-05, 8:48 AM

Darn, I thought it would be one of those cages that you have to reach into... anyhow, don't worry Rusty, we all know that the Sens don't have the balls to stop us.

Newfie John

7-15-05, 3:10 PM

This is apparently going to be done behind closed doors.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/shownews.jsp?content=h071431A

The draft lottery is slated to be held behind closed doors during next week's board of governors' meeting in New York, which is tentatively scheduled for Thursday. Commissioner Gary Bettman would then announce the draft lottery results at his ensuing news conference, which will also be used to outline new rule changes and general "re-launch" the game.

FIX FIX FIX... hopefully its to Toronto. :laughing:

Mel

7-15-05, 3:14 PM

Why behind closed doors? :confused:

Use the opportunity to drum up excitement for hockey again by having a live drawing on TV!

Definitely fixed :conspire: :conspire: :conspire:

bluemeanie

7-15-05, 3:16 PM

This is apparently going to be done behind closed doors.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/shownews.jsp?content=h071431A

FIX FIX FIX... hopefully its to Toronto. :laughing:

That's pretty bold. I wonder how much say Mr. Crosby has in which ball falls first behind closed doors.

Newfie John

7-15-05, 3:20 PM

Why behind closed doors? :confused:

Use the opportunity to drum up excitement for hockey again by having a live drawing on TV!

Definitely fixed :conspire: :conspire: :conspire:

What are you complaining about? :laughing: If its a fix the most likely location is NYR.

J.R.

7-15-05, 10:12 PM

Madferret

7-15-05, 11:03 PM

I'm going on the record here and saying Crosby will end up in either Chicago or Phoenix.

*S T A M P E D*

Mel

7-16-05, 6:29 AM

If they do it behind closed doors, this will be definitely fixed and the "winner" is going to scrutenized for years to come. They have to put this on live national television in both Canada and the United States and use this as a part of a strategic marketing plan. I thought these boneheads wanted to create new interest in the NHL - guess not.

This really is a strange move and there's no good explanation for it. They should most definitely make this a public event... and give Crosby some press ahead of time so American fringe fans not familiar will realize we have a phenom coming in the draft here.

Is it really possible the league is going to "plant" Crosby where they want him to play? If so, can they get away with this?

Madferret

7-16-05, 6:27 PM

Sens want draft at Corel Centre
TheFourthPeriod.com

With the 2005 NHL Entry Draft tentatively scheduled for July 30 at the Westin Hotel in Ottawa, the Ottawa Sun reports the NHL is taking heat for shutting the door on the fans. Citing sources, the Sun claims the league was offered the opportunity to hold the draft at the Corel Centre, but the NHL feels it should be a small affair because of the difficulties getting a new collective bargaining agreement in place and ratified.

Around just 20 of this year's top prospects are expected to be on hand for the draft, if the event isn't at the Sens' home arena. "The league wants to keep it on a smaller scale because everything is going to have to be pulled together in a week," a league source told the paper.
"That's too bad, the league is missing a real opportunity to market the game with (Sidney) Crosby. There shouldn't be any concern because if they opened the doors at the Corel Centre, the place would probably be jammed."
http://www.thefourthperiod.com/tfp_pic222.jpg

This closed door thing sreiously is a head scratcher. Bettman needs to have his head examined if he doesn't use Crosby to give the interest level in the 'States a shot in the arm, and re-sell the game in general...

MadDevil

7-16-05, 7:01 PM

This closed door thing sreiously is a head scratcher. Bettman needs to have his head examined if he doesn't use Crosby to give the interest level in the 'States a shot in the arm, and re-sell the game in general...

I have to agree with you, it doesn't make sense to me either. One would think that the NHL would want all the positive publicity they could get, especially with a guy like Crosby in the mix. Then again, when was the last time the NHL did anything that really made sense?

Madferret

7-16-05, 7:18 PM

Then again, when was the last time the NHL did anything that really made sense?

They won the Cap CBA-War...
That's about it actually...

:D

Amoroq

7-17-05, 2:47 PM

This really is a strange move and there's no good explanation for it. They should most definitely make this a public event... and give Crosby some press ahead of time so American fringe fans not familiar will realize we have a phenom coming in the draft here.

Is it really possible the league is going to "plant" Crosby where they want him to play? If so, can they get away with this?Ask the NBA, the New York Knicks and Patrick Ewing if they got away with it ;) Hey and wasn't Bettman working with the NBA then? Things that make you say hrmmmmmmmm? :laughing:

Mel

7-17-05, 3:16 PM

I have no idea... was it speculated that the Knicks landing Ewing was staged?

Newfie John

7-17-05, 7:31 PM

I have no idea... was it speculated that the Knicks landing Ewing was staged?

You could say that, or instead of speculated you could say "widely known".

Mel

7-17-05, 9:03 PM

I wasnt even a knick or a basketball fan back then... do you have any backup evidence? Or at least rumors to point me to? Was that lottery held behind closed doors? I really don't know.

PDO

7-17-05, 9:09 PM

I wasnt even a knick or a basketball fan back then... do you have any backup evidence? Or at least rumors to point me to? Was that lottery held behind closed doors? I really don't know.

IIRC, they pulled evenlopes outside of a bin, and the Knicks envelope had been left in a freezer, thus the MC yanked out the frozen letter and the Knicks got Ewing.

No idea how much proof there is behind it however it is one of the reasons I am staunchly against the draft lottery (this year excluded).

Amoroq

7-17-05, 10:56 PM

I have no idea... was it speculated that the Knicks landing Ewing was staged?The corner of the card was bent. It was seen clearly on TV. Is this proof? I don't know, but it was wildly debated.

slapshot™

7-18-05, 10:53 AM

Regardless of how they do it, or where they do it, there will be people that will claim that it has been fixed.

A side-note:
As much as I would like to see Crosby in Oiler silks I reluctantly believe he would help the game (overall) by going to a major US center such as New York.

The League really needs some good publicity to dig itself out of the hole it has created.

bluemeanie

7-18-05, 11:07 AM

True, but with the new proposed scheduling format, and teams playing most games within their own conferences and divisions, I think the lad is going to get good exposure regardless. In Pittsburg, he?ll be playing a combined 30 something games against teams like NY, Isles, Philly, and Jersey. In Columbus, Detroit and Chicago will get to see him in action every few weeks? Buffalo will get him the most ink, visiting three Canadian cities frequently ? but he?ll probably fall short of the American Spot light there. But, I suppose that NY would probably provide him with not only the best exposure, but perhaps the best outlet to become a creative and impactful player on a line with a guy like Jagr? I guess we?ll find out soon.

Madferret

7-18-05, 11:29 AM

So this will be a * Draft?

:wicked:

slapshot™

7-18-05, 2:52 PM

So this will be a * Draft?

:wicked:

That looks like a sphincter (according to Vonnegut).

Hmmm....the sphincter draft. Kind of a double meaning there.

Madferret

7-21-05, 10:40 PM

So, shall we make a game out of this?
Pick the team you think Sid goes to?
Let's Break the NHL pool rust...

PDO

7-21-05, 10:52 PM

I'll start the trend of everyone naming their own team!

Edmonton, he follows in Gretzky's foot steps (so, 4 cups on route to Edmonton.. but this time he won't get too expensive for us!)

Leafs_Fa_Life

7-21-05, 10:57 PM

New York Rangers

The Insider

7-21-05, 10:59 PM

All I can say is: Go Leafs Go!!!

To be perfectly honest though, I have a sneaky suspiscion that the cursed Sabres are going to win it, they are the team no one thinks about when it comes to those who have 3 balls. But if the Leafs don't win it, I hope that a western team does to keep him away until the cup finals, which may never happen since we still haven't been there in 30 someodd years... what can I say, I lost track ;)

Madferret

7-21-05, 11:02 PM

Chicago

(In the pool at work we picked teams from a hat, I bought in twice and got Carolina and NYR. The pot is 95$...)

The Insider

7-21-05, 11:11 PM

(In the pool at work we picked teams from a hat, I bought in twice and got Carolina and NYR. The pot is 95$...)

Did you use the exact amount of chances that each team gets when you were drawing??? If so, who won your mock draft(which team got picked first???)

Madferret

7-21-05, 11:20 PM

Did you use the exact amount of chances that each team gets when you were drawing??? If so, who won your mock draft(which team got picked first???)

We drew draft order, then drew teams in the order of the 'order draft.

bluemeanie

7-22-05, 9:06 AM

I'm going to say.... Anaheim.

slapshot™

7-22-05, 10:44 AM

...no one thinks about when it comes to those who have 3 balls.

I dunno...colour me silly, but I find that incredibly funny. :rollover2

Mel

7-22-05, 4:09 PM

First ten teams announced:

30 Tampa Bay
29 FLorida
28 Dallas
27 Colorado
26 Calgary
25 Edmonton
24 St. Louis
23 New Jersey
22 Boston
21 Toronto

2nd ten

20 Philadelphia
19 Detroit
18 Nashville
17 Phoenix
16 New York Rangers
15 New York Islanders
14 Washington
13 Buffalo
12 San Jose
11 Los Angeles

Leave it to the Rangers to be given 3 balls and not even crack the top half of the order :rolleyes:

final ten

And the winner is....

10 Vancouver
9 Ottawa
8 Atlanta
7 Chicago
6 Columbus
5 Montreal
4 Minnesota
3 Carolina
2 Anaheim
1 Pittsburgh

Iced Tea

7-22-05, 4:10 PM

Kind of fitting that Tampa is last considering they won the cup last.

Sad to see 3 Canadian teams already picked.

Buffalo is already out of the running. That has to suck considering they had 3 balls.

Leafs_Fa_Life

7-22-05, 4:15 PM

Will they be dancing in the streets today in Montreal, Ottawa or Vancouver :dance:

Mel

7-22-05, 4:16 PM

I'm pulling now for Chicago or Montreal since he wants to play there.

TimmyTabasco

7-22-05, 4:17 PM

This is great

The habs and canucks both atleast have a top 10 pick

:D

Iced Tea

7-22-05, 4:17 PM

TSN has a real time chart

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/draft/feature.asp?fid=7314

Iced Tea

7-22-05, 4:18 PM

I'm pulling now for Chicago or Montreal since he wants to play there.
Chicago means Wirtz, the worst owner.

Dang, Canucks are #10 :mad:

Penguins or the Ducks? Burke must be drooling right now.

TSN is in control of the lottery? They get to run freaking commercials and make us wait. I'd like to beat on some TSN suits :curse:

Madferret

7-22-05, 4:23 PM

9th overall for the Sens...

:thumb:

Iced Tea

7-22-05, 4:28 PM

Penguins win it.

The conspiracist in me says this was rigged to save the Penguins. Mario and Sydney will be a force together. The city has to help build a new arena now.

Mel

7-22-05, 4:29 PM

Pittsburgh...

I'm luke warm about that one... Sure better than Columbus or Nashville. But they had trouble selling out even when Mario and Jagr were in their primes. There's a number of markets I would have been happier for.

But I guess it's good he's going to the poster boy of financially strapped franchises over the past number of years.

----

It just occured to me... Thank God this kid is staying on the East Coast... Now I'll finally get a chance to watch him play :thumb:

I don't get to watch the western teams nearly as much because of the time difference. I'll be watching Sid on NHL Center Ice quite a bit 8)

Newfie John

7-22-05, 4:34 PM

swflyers25

7-22-05, 4:38 PM

We will get to see him a whole mess of times since the Pens are in our division.

TimmyTabasco

7-22-05, 4:41 PM

The Habs have a solid pick at No.5, and even the Canucks at No.10

Not bad

Newfie John

7-22-05, 4:46 PM

The Habs have a solid pick at No.5, and even the Canucks at No.10

Not bad

Thats amazing. Don't forget the Sens at #9. When I realized the sens were in the top 10, I was hoping they'd get him. Imagine if Crosby failed in Ottawa! That'd be classic. The prospect killers, First Dagile, now Crosby, who's next? :laughing:

Anyway, should be interesting how Crosby fares in Pitsburgh.

Recchi- Lemieux- Crosby ?

Madferret

7-22-05, 4:48 PM

Thats amazing. Don't forget the Sens at #9. When I realized the sens were in the top 10, I was hoping they'd get him. Imagine if Crosby failed in Ottawa! That'd be classic. The prospect killers, First Dagile, now Crosby, who's next? :laughing:

Spezza? Hossa? Phillips?
Troll...

Newfie John

7-22-05, 4:51 PM

Spezza? Hossa? Phillips?
Troll...

None of those, though Spezza was close, came close to the magnitude of excitement of Daigle and Crosby..

Baby... :laughing:

Madferret

7-22-05, 4:53 PM

None of those, though Spezza was close, came close to the magnitude of excitement of Daigle and Crosby..

Baby... :laughing:

You, a fan of the Maple Leafs, are critizing the track record of Ottawa's draft selections and the youth talent in the Sens system?

Newfie John

7-22-05, 4:54 PM

You, a fan of the Maple Leafs, are critizing the track record of Ottawa's draft selections and the youth talent in the Sens system?

That scouting staff is long gone. We have a new one now and appear to be doing well.

Mel

7-22-05, 4:58 PM

We will get to see him a whole mess of times since the Pens are in our division.

DOH :doh:

Thanks for reminding me. I guess I should start hating him now.

swflyers25

7-22-05, 4:58 PM

That scouting staff is long gone. We have a new one now and appear to be doing well.

How are they doing well? You traded most of your prospects away... :laughing:

Newfie John

7-22-05, 5:01 PM

How are they doing well? You traded most of your prospects away... :laughing:

Obviously your oblivious to the situation. Just take a look at the prospects we have with our limited picks. It isn't too shabby.

swflyers25

7-22-05, 5:03 PM

Obviously your oblivious to the situation. Just take a look at the prospects we have with our limited picks. It isn't too shabby.

Let me look here since I am looking at HF's page right now.

Edit: Your team's ranking in terms of how good your prospects are: 27th

Ours: 15th

These are 4 guys that I have actually heard of:

Carlo Colaiacovo, D (1) -- Little small, needs more upper body strength
Alexander Steen, C (2) -- good player, great goal scorer, needs to bulk up
Kyle Wellwood, C (5) -- size is a concern
Robert Earl, LW -- I've seen him play with Wisconsin since their goalie is one of our prospects. Fast on the ice, good goal scorer. Needs to produce when needed, sometimes disappears in key moments and needs to bulk up. Other than that, your prospects seem like unknowns.

Newfie John

7-22-05, 5:08 PM

Let me look here since I am looking at HF's page right now.

We can talk in PM if you wish because we've strayed way off topic.

swflyers25

7-22-05, 5:10 PM

DOH :doh:

Thanks for reminding me. I guess I should start hating him now.

What team are you a fan of?

Mel

7-22-05, 5:13 PM

We can talk in PM if you wish because we've strayed way off topic.

Thanks for saving me from saying it.

Back to Pittsburgh, the more I think about this kid teaming up with Mario, the more I think it's good for the game. If there's one guy to learn from how to carry yourself as an NHL superstar and be an ambassador for the game, it's Mario. I saw Crosby interviewed prior to the lottery, he seems like he handles himself well. There will be a ton of pressure on him, I wish him good fortune and success.

Mel

7-22-05, 5:14 PM

What team are you a fan of?

The team that, despite having 3 balls in the lottery couldn't manage to land any higher than 16, that team

*Note to self, get paper-bag-over-head smilie

swflyers25

7-22-05, 5:15 PM

The team that, despite having 3 balls in the lottery couldn't manage to land any higher than 16, that team

*Note to self, get paper-bag-over-head smilie

Oh, ok. :laughing: No worries, we'll win the division just like always. Some things will never change. :thumb:

Mel

7-22-05, 5:21 PM

Oh, ok. :laughing: No worries, we'll win the division just like always. Some things will never change. :thumb:

I almost bit but....

Please start a thread in trash talk for these things. This thread is for the discussion of the lottery and Crosby to Pittsburgh. I'll be glad to take your abuse in trash talk.

Thanks :thumb:

J.R.

7-22-05, 5:24 PM

What can I say? Edmonton - 25th. :curse:

I went from laughing at the Flames getting 26th, to POed at the very next result. Damn.

Glad to see Ottawa cracked the top ten. I sure was rooting for them. They'll grab a nice player with that pick.

PDO

7-22-05, 7:18 PM

I'm not ecstatic about the leafs getting #21 but I'm not disappointed either as thats probably where we would have ended up anyway. When I seen the Oilers get picked at 25 though I had to laugh out loud.

Nice troll... we pick 35th overall as well, and after the top 6 it's a crap shoot, so I honestly don't care. It's similar to the '02 draft, in that from 10-60 there's no real difference, other than a fancy number tied to the player drafted.

The Insider

7-22-05, 8:11 PM

I think that Crosby's going to 1 of the 4 places that really needed a shot of star power to boost the game in that region(the others being Phoenix, Carolina and Florida) I am upset that the Leafs got #21 as it is basically hit or miss after the first 10 guys go, but I really don't think that any player other then Crosby would be put onto an NHL team for next season. I was hoping he'd go west, but I guess the Penguins get a gift and if they still can't draw then we could very well still see Crosby doning a Canadian team's jersey(you never know Winnipeg might survive in a revenue sharing league) Time will tell, but it's going to be an exciting next couple of months as the "sprint to the season" continues. :thumb:

Man.Utd

7-22-05, 8:35 PM

Nice troll... we pick 35th overall as well, and after the top 6 it's a crap shoot, so I honestly don't care. It's similar to the '02 draft, in that from 10-60 there's no real difference, other than a fancy number tied to the player drafted.

If that's what you want to believe.....

PDO

7-22-05, 8:40 PM

If that's what you want to believe.....

I've said the entire time I wanted 1-6 or 24-30.. I got one of them.

You can't honestly beleive there's a big difference between Stoa and Zapgranagan can you? They're all players who are one or two attributes from being top 10 picks.. but they're all missing an attribute, and it depends on the scout you talk to as to where they'll end up being ranked.

Having said that, I want the Oilers to get Stoa, and I think the Sens should go after Zapgrangan (that's a mouthful that I'll never spell correctly on a consistent basis). Nucks will take Rask.

Man.Utd

7-22-05, 8:57 PM

PDO

7-22-05, 9:20 PM

IMO, the top 10 is as follows going by BPA (best player available)

1. Crosby
2. Johnson
3. Pouliot
4. Ryan
5. Brule
6. Stall
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7. Skille
8. Price
9. O'Marra
10. Kopitar

You think anyone who will realistically be available at 24-30 will be as good as those guys? We can't predict the future, and maybe that group of players will be better than the one mentioned, but as of now those guys look like much better bets. Interesting you used Marek Zagrapan as your example, because he is one of those wild prospects that some people have in the top 10 while others out of the 1st round. How about we use Alex Bourret as our example instead. A much safer prospects, seeing as Zagrapan is probably the biggest high-end "?" in the draft along with fellow Czech Martin Hanzal. Bourret is not considered a top 6 pick but shouldn't go any lower than 20. Do you honestly think he doesn't appear a much better pick than anyone that could be around at #30.

You'd call Bourret a safe pick at a generous 5'10 AND being one of the oldest players in the draft? He only missed being in last years draft by a month?

I honestly believe the only safe pick in this draft is Crosby; after him there's guys with question marks everywhere; including the top 6. Johnson was brutal at the U18's, Kopitar is as raw as they come, Ryan has the insane father who forced him to play hockey, who knows where his heart is, Brule has size problems and Pouliot has age and again is very raw.

The only player outside the top 6 who I was overly impressed with was Staal, but he doesn't have much offensive upside at all.

Guys like Cogliano, Bertram, Kindl and Stoa could quite easily be just as good if not better than whatever combination you take from 7-10. Rask and Price are very close, depending what teams draft BPA and what teams draft for a need, Rask could be taken late in the first. Admittingly I like the guys you listed (espeacilly O'Marra), but like I said, I'm not sold on much difference between these guys. Hell, look at last years draft...

Picard and Montoya or Schremp and Meszaros?

If a guy like Zap can fall to the Oilers ala Schremp, I'd be intrigued and excited for sure, but I'm not all that sold on him being ahead of the guys ranked in the mid 20's in the first place.

Man.Utd

7-22-05, 10:19 PM

You'd call Bourret a safe pick at a generous 5'10 AND being one of the oldest players in the draft? He only missed being in last years draft by a month?

Sure, do you know of any major holes in his game? Yes he's 5'10 but he's also built like a tank and hits to hurt. Size is great to have, but 5'10 isn't exactly small and he may yet grow a bit.

I honestly believe the only safe pick in this draft is Crosby; after him there's guys with question marks everywhere; including the top 6. Johnson was brutal at the U18's, Kopitar is as raw as they come, Ryan has the insane father who forced him to play hockey, who knows where his heart is, Brule has size problems and Pouliot has age and again is very raw.

That's a constant with any draft. Rarely are there more than two or three prospects who have no weaknesses to their games. Just because a player isn't as perfect as Crosby doesn't mean he isn't a relatively safe bet.

The only player outside the top 6 who I was overly impressed with was Staal, but he doesn't have much offensive upside at all.

Guys like Cogliano, Bertram, Kindl and Stoa could quite easily be just as good if not better than whatever combination you take from 7-10. Rask and Price are very close, depending what teams draft BPA and what teams draft for a need, Rask could be taken late in the first. Admittingly I like the guys you listed (espeacilly O'Marra), but like I said, I'm not sold on much difference between these guys. Hell, look at last years draft.. Picard and Montoya or Schremp and Meszaros?

Stall has never really impressed me. Does everything well, nothing great. I'd be surprised to see him as more than a #3 or 4 guy. He just doesn't seem to own that high-end skill. A #3-#4 is quite good, but I wouldn't use a top-10 pick on him.

Obviously those guys you talked about could easily end up being just as good as the others, even better, but you'd be lieing if you claimed the odds aren't in the favor of the guys I mentioned.

BTW, Rask and Price aren't all that close according to the scouts. I've not seen either play myself, but Price is rated #7 (consensis #1 G) while Rask #23.

I'd much rather Picard over Schremp as I think the latter is not only one-dimensional, but had inflated statisitics (even though he was quite successful nevertheless) thanks to the powerhouse team he played on. Meszaros >> Montoya IMO but I hate picking goalies in the 1st round anyway so......

PDO

7-22-05, 10:40 PM

Sure, do you know of any major holes in his game? Yes he's 5'10 but he's also built like a tank and hits to hurt. Size is great to have, but 5'10 isn't exactly small and he may yet grow a bit.

Look at his season when he was in his "draft" year. He's older than most of the players he's playing against.. there's a reason all these guys that win the scoring title as 20 year olds becmoe nobodies. Bourrett was an old player for this year and put up good numbers due to it.

That's a constant with any draft. Rarely are there more than two or three prospects who have no weaknesses to their games. Just because a player isn't as perfect as Crosby doesn't mean he isn't a relatively safe bet.

I don't agree.. there's usually a lot of guys who are good at everything but not exceptional at anything. Last draft for example, off the top of my head without even thinking come the likes of Ladd, Stafford and Chipchura.

Stall has never really impressed me. Does everything well, nothing great. I'd be surprised to see him as more than a #3 or 4 guy. He just doesn't seem to own that high-end skill. A #3-#4 is quite good, but I wouldn't use a top-10 pick on him.

I think he could be a slightly better Chris Phillips. He's not brutal offensively, but I'd like to see him have more of a "Matt Green" factor.

Obviously those guys you talked about could easily end up being just as good as the others, even better, but you'd be lieing if you claimed the odds aren't in the favor of the guys I mentioned.

I really don't think the odds are all that different. I think what will effect these players more is the team they're drafted by. The earlier draftee's see more results often due to being drafted by a crappy team and racking up the numbers while not having a complete game. See Nash in Columbus.

BTW, Rask and Price aren't all that close according to the scouts. I've not seen either play myself, but Price is rated #7 (consensis #1 G) while Rask #23.

I've seen them as close as 2 and as far as that margin.. it depends on the team.. I haven't seen either very much though, so I have nothing but numbers.

I'd much rather Picard over Schremp as I think the latter is not only one-dimensional, but had inflated statisitics (even though he was quite successful nevertheless) thanks to the powerhouse team he played on. Meszaros >> Montoya IMO but I hate picking goalies in the 1st round anyway so......

Schremp is one-dimensional but got ice-time and rave reviews from Hunter? I won't make this a Schremp rant, nor will I take it any further than this, but asides from Perry, who exactly did he mooch off? He was a HUGE part of that team being as great as it was, but recieves little credit for this. He's already got an NHL calibur shot and hands at 19.. the defense will come, and he's not worse a skater than Spezza was. He was easily the second best offensive player on the team, and from what I saw his game is much more complete than it was this year, and I'm looking forward to him putting on a show next year in London ;).