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PDO
7-03-05, 5:32 PM
Like the unsuspecting victims of an earthquake, NHL players could be blindsided by a major shock.

As the NHL and the Players' Association work toward the finish line of their negotiation -- which may arrive early next week -- speculation is rampant about what the new collective bargaining agreement will contain.

One thing appears certain: It isn't going to be pretty for the players. Not only is their bargaining team going to accept the hard salary cap with linkage to NHL revenues they fought tooth and nail to avoid, they've given in on other key issues. It could amount to a total surrender.

"This is going to be a bombshell for the players," said a league source. "They've done a good job at keeping this quiet, but I believe what the union's executive committee is about to accept is going to be a real shocker for some players."

Multiple sources on both sides told the Sun the deal's framework could look something like this once it is signed, sealed and delivered:

$39 MILLION CAP?

- A hard cap set at 54% of league revenues -- projected to drop by $300 million to $1.8 billion (all terms US) next season -- that will include all player salaries, signing bonuses and performance bonuses. The $2.2 million teams allot for insurance and pension plan contributions won't be included in that figure. The cap could be in the $39 million range, with a floor of about $24 million. There's talk of a dollar-for-dollar luxury tax starting around the $30 million mark, with that money redistributed to lower revenue teams.

- The biggest shocker in this deal could be the players agreeing to put 15-20% of their annual salaries into escrow every year. If the league doesn't meet its revenue projections, then part, or all, of that 15% could go back to the teams to help cover costs. The NBA has a similar clause in its CBA. Many NHLers will find it hard to stomach.

"We've talked a lot in our meetings about how stupid that idea is," said one NHL veteran. "I sure hope that doesn't happen to us, but it might be too late to stop."

Sources on the players side indicated this issue is going to be a tough sell when it comes to getting the agreement ratified.

- There's discussion entry-level salaries could be capped at $850,000 for three years, with a maximum signing bonus of 10% per season. That means 2005 No. 1 pick Sidney Crosby would receive a maximum of $85,000 in a signing bonuses in each of the first three years of his deal. "I don't know why he wouldn't sign in Europe for $2 million tax free and stay there until he can escape the entry level system, if this is what happens," said a league source.

- It's expected the players will accept the 24% rollback they offered in December. Qualifying offers will likely be kept at 100%, but there will be no 10% raise for players below the league average. It could have been worse: The NHL held out until two weeks ago for qualifying offers to be set at 75%.

- Contracts from last season are not expected to be honoured, which will flood the market with free agents. Unrestricted free agency is expected to fall to age 30 in 2005-06, 29 in 2006-07 and 28 in 2007-08.

- Sportsnet hockey analyst and former NHL player Nick Kypreos has confirmed teams will be allowed a one-time, two-thirds buyout of existing contracts that won't count towards the cap. For example, the St. Louis Blues owe $20 million in salary to defenceman Chris Pronger, centre Doug Weight and winger Keith Tkachuk alone next season. Guess what? They all won't be back, because the Blues have the chance to reset their own market. If a team buys out a player, it can't re-sign him for another year.

- The word is commissioner Gary Bettman would like absolute power to fine and suspend players. Under the terms of the last CBA, the maximum fine was a paltry $1,000. That number could be about to change.

- The league minimum salary is expected to move from $175,000 to $400,000.

How was this all shake down for the players?

The stars in the game are still going to make their money, but a lot less of it. Role players are going to be stuck at the league minimum.

The talk around the league is that the NHLPA's executive committee -- and executive director Bob Goodenow -- have been bitterly divided by this negotiation. There is sure to be more unrest when the players see the new deal.

"This is going to be a tough sell to the players and a bitter pill to swallow," said a source.

http://www.ottawasun.ca/Sports/Hockey/2005/07/03/1115008-sun.html

Wow.. wonder what it feels like to have a new asshole halfway up your back. Mr. Goodenow?

slapshot™
7-03-05, 7:16 PM
I think those are excellent terms.

MadDevil
7-03-05, 10:45 PM
I wonder how many players will be asking themselves "What the hell were we thinking" when this deal goes through?

Mel
7-04-05, 9:25 AM
Now the players will get a taste of getting paid by what the real market dictates... not the artificial one generated by their agents and high spending teams over the last decade.

If they are finally agreeing to allow league revenues to dictate their salary structure, then the escrow is a perfectly fine idea. I never heard an NBA player publically complain about their escrow system... did you?

There are balances against the teams in the NBA also. One year the Trail Blazers got burned for something like 20 million which, If I'm not mistaken went (at least partially) to the players escrow. Hopefully the NHL will have similar checks in place to keep the owners in line.

If Forsberg, Jagr and friends wanted to command 10 million, then they should have learned how to dribble a basketball.

Let's hope the Olympics gives the NHL a nice boost, they'll need it.

grim
7-04-05, 11:44 AM
There is no deal yet. The players could reject this pummelling. I wouldn't be surprised. But can't say I feel sorry for anyone involved. Neither the players nor the NHL apparently gives a sh|t about the fans. I hope they all feel some pain. In protest, my kids and I won't be attending any NHL games for a while. The 67s are good entertainment.

Mel
7-04-05, 12:32 PM
It just hit me regarding the 2/3 buyout option on existing contracts.

The Caps signed Jagr to a long term 11 million deal. When they wanted out, the Rangers made the Caps eat roughly half of that. So that brings us to a weird situation.

The Caps will undoubtedly rush to "buy out" what's left on their contract to Jagr... only problem is that he doesn't play for them.

The Rangers will cling hard to Jagr, a steal at roughly 4 million per (after rollback).

So... do the Caps just have to suck it up and keep paying Jagr's existing contract against their cap room? Or will they be able to get out of it under the new agreement?

I'm not exactly sure how these arrangements work.

I'll bet there are a lot of other sticky situations around the league that need to be solved.

PDO
7-04-05, 1:17 PM
The caps are probally happy about that, actually Mel. They have to reach the salary floor, and until their team has guys like Ovechkin ready to play, they're going to be basement dwellers anyway. They know they'd be better off to stay right at the floor for 2-3 years, let their players develop, and then get some UFA's and take a 1-2 year run at the cup. I think this is the form we'll see more and more often as well.

skidmark
7-04-05, 8:07 PM
- The word is commissioner Gary Bettman would like absolute power to fine and suspend players.

I'm not sure Gary's the right man for the job, but I was happy to hear this. Here's hoping this brings back a little more sanity to hockey.

KB in Kelowna
7-05-05, 12:26 AM
- The word is commissioner Gary Bettman would like absolute power to fine and suspend players.

I'm not sure Gary's the right man for the job, but I was happy to hear this. Here's hoping this brings back a little more sanity to hockey.

I liked this part as well. Fines and supplementary discipline have been a joke for years. As to Gary suitability to do the job, we will just have to see.

grim
7-05-05, 2:07 PM
So... do the Caps just have to suck it up and keep paying Jagr's existing contract against their cap room? Or will they be able to get out of it under the new agreement?

I'm not exactly sure how these arrangements work.



quote:
Sources yesterday confirmed that the terms of the Jan. 23, 2004 trade that brought Jaromir Jagr to New York from Washington stipulate that the Rangers and Caps are each responsible for paying half of No. 68's salary. Which means that after the 24-percent contract rollback that will become part of the new CBA, Jagr will cost Glen Sather's team only $4.18M per against cap, an entirely reasonable amount, after all. This adjustment means the Rangers will go into the post-rollback, post-lockout NHL with an immediate cap commitment of $16.53M for four signed players ? Jagr; Bobby Holik ($6.726M); Darius Kasparaitis ($3.344M); Michael Nylander ($2.28M) ? with additional two-way contracts committed to defensemen Dale Purinton and Jason Strudwick.
--New York Post


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/07/04/truth.rumors.more/1.html

Mel
7-05-05, 2:36 PM
So I guess the Caps have no buyout option on Jagr (?). That sucks for them. I disagree PDO - I don't see a silver lining on that situation for the Caps. Money is money. Money they could throw at FA's who can actually play for them.

As for the Rags, Holik and Kasparitis are very strong buy out candidates (http://www.hockeystation.com/showthread.php?t=602). I know Holik is hated because of his salary, but he is a team first leader who plays with heart. I was really looking forward to him captaining the new young Ranger team, but he just makes too much money. Kasparitis can go, he's not as effective as he used to be.

Many teams are going to have "buyout victims" out of financial necessity. It will really be a lot of fun seeing where the players land. When an agreement gets in place and the league says "GO", There's going to be something like 500 players looking for roster spots... including a good number of the league's top tier players.

Now that will be more entertaining than any trading deadline in history. :nod:

PS - IIRC Jagr and Nylander enjoyed great and productive chemistry together in Washington. I think that's why the Rangers signed him, so look for Nylander to stay put along w/ Jagr. Look for Holik to play elsewhere. I'd actually like to see him go back to the Devils and see all the Devil fan / Holik haters change their tune back from hate to love. :wicked:

MadDevil
7-06-05, 4:05 AM
I'd actually like to see him go back to the Devils and see all the Devil fan / Holik haters change their tune back from hate to love. :wicked:

Don't count me among them (knock on wood), I think the Devils are better off without Holik. Madden has done a good job in filling that hole, although Holik's size is something the Devils are lacking. Besides, they may be looking to fill in a few rather large holes on defense, depending on what Stevens and Niedermayer decide to do, and probably won't have the cap room. Size up front (or lack of) is still an issue for the Devils, so I hope they can sign some bigger forwards (maybe Arnott and/or Rob Niedermayer).

Max Power
7-04-06, 2:36 PM
Where are all those of you who defended the pointless lock out now? Even with the cap the players are still making ridiculous money. All that crying for nothing and in the long run it's the players who lost a years salary and the 2nd tier players get screwed by the 1st. Looking back now the players were completely brainwashed on the BS from the players union and the people involved should be gone

charlio lemieux
7-04-06, 3:01 PM
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Mel
7-04-06, 3:23 PM
The dollar number was not important.... the league did not want an arbitrary hard cap, rather they wanted an agreement in which players got a percent of revenue. Be it 45 million, 4.5 million, 450 million.... didn't matter.

The increase for next season only reflects the fact that revenue for 05-06 came out higher than expected, and it's entirely possible the players could pay it back in escrow if revenue falls short next season.

KB in Kelowna
7-04-06, 9:39 PM
What gets me is that the gm's are spending like drunken sailors again. We have all rated at least one sigining this past weekend as ridiculous or over paying. While the CBA has given the league a salary cap tied to revenue and revenue sharing, even teams notourious for their frugality, the Bruins, the Wild and the Preds have actively signed free agents or traded for name players. Given the constraints of the cap and the amount that can be spent on players, the NHLPA members and thier agents must be laughing all the way to the bank.

Max Power
7-05-06, 10:42 AM
Given the constraints of the cap and the amount that can be spent on players, the NHLPA members and thier agents must be laughing all the way to the bank.

True but 2nd tier players still get screwed and loss a years salary in a short career. These guys make up half the NHLPA yet in the end they get screwed both ways

KB in Kelowna
7-05-06, 11:27 AM
True but 2nd tier players still get screwed and loss a years salary in a short career. These guys make up half the NHLPA yet in the end they get screwed both ways

The League minimum salary jumped way up. most of these guys made more under the new system, even with the year off. Do I think the year off was worht it, no, but that said there is a lot I like about the new NHL and some stuff around scheduling that needs tweaking, in my opinion.

Amoroq
7-05-06, 11:34 AM
True but 2nd tier players still get screwed and loss a years salary in a short career. These guys make up half the NHLPA yet in the end they get screwed both waysAnd it was the high end top earning guys that didn't like this CBA, it was the majority of the 2nd tier guys that wanted the lockout to end so they put the boots to the NHLPA and Goodenow. The top end guys were saying , "we're going to get ours, but the guys below us are the ones that are going to take the hit"

Kind of like the way our governmet taxes the middle class to hell and back. Oh well the they have made their bed. And for the 2nd year in a row, players have gone to teams with cap space to blow. Thats going to be a trend that will continue. Look at Chara going to Boston, they will still be hard pressed to make the playoffs, but Chara's agents knew they had the cap space to pay him what he wanted. We will find that player movement is going to be based not on where is the best place a player can go to win a cup, but on where a player can go to get a big payday.