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Max Power
6-29-05, 2:36 PM
What's the deal with this?
Ferguson cans medical staff
June 29 @ 2:00 PM
Sportsnet has learned Toronto Maple Leafs GM John Ferguson has fired the club's medical staff, many of whom have served the team for 15 years. Included are Dr. Michael Clarfield and Dr. Daryyl Ogilvie-Harris.
scorpionn
6-29-05, 2:48 PM
That really is odd.
I could understand Ferguson wanting his own staff (Assistant GMs etc.). But why get rid of the medical staff... Does this mean that Chris Broadhurst is gone as well...? Thats just not right.
Newfie John
6-29-05, 3:05 PM
Who cares? :coffee:
Madferret
6-29-05, 10:13 PM
Classless moves like that from TML will give my friend LH fodder for a year.
go_leafs_go02
6-29-05, 10:33 PM
One question.
Why? They've done a good job from what I've seen. And I don't think any real problems have happened.
Very weird if you ask me, and it does not seem right.
Like anything, we aren't privy to the whole story.
Another classy move by the Leaf. :thumb:
For those being automatically crirtical of the Leafs just because it's the Leafs I have to ask did you stop to consider that the Leafs have kept these people on payroll all through the stoppage even thought there was little if anything for them to do?
I would think that would deserve some commendation would it not?
For those being automatically crirtical of the Leafs just because it's the Leafs I have to ask did you stop to consider that the Leafs have kept these people on payroll all through the stoppage even thought there was little if anything for them to do?
I would think that would deserve some commendation would it not?
I somehow doubt they were paid, unelss they were working for the Baby Leafs.
Why leave them on all winter only to fire them when they've done nothing wrong?
Another classy move by the Leaf. :thumb:I can't find a link to this classy move anywhere on sportsnet or anywhere else for that matter. It would be an interesting read, to know the details of the why and the how.
I somehow doubt they were paid, unelss they were working for the Baby Leafs.
Why leave them on all winter only to fire them when they've done nothing wrong?
If they weren't being paid then they weren't canned!
If they were being paid I'm sure the reason they were let go was because the team is not generating revenue so had to cut costs somewhere. If that's the case then they are to be commended for paying them all this time.
I can't find a link to this classy move anywhere on sportsnet or anywhere else for that matter. It would be an interesting read, to know the details of the why and the how.
You can't find a link because it's in the Hearsay section on the Sportsnet Forum, hardly a reliable source.
At least wait to confirm that it's true before you leap on the sarcastic
"classy move" bandwagon.
You can't find a link because it's in the Hearsay section on the Sportsnet Forum, hardly a reliable source.
At least wait to confirm that it's true before you leap on the sarcastic
"classy move" bandwagon.I need to use the sarcasic emoticon more often. I used the word 'classy' in response to the previous post.
Why? And sust as hockey seems to be set to return? Pretty classless. What could they have done wrong by sitting at home during the lockout???
Why? And sust as hockey seems to be set to return? Pretty classless. What could they have done wrong by sitting at home during the lockout???
See all above posts. :wave:
Newfie John
6-30-05, 11:55 AM
Christ.. pretty sensitive you bashers are? No one knows the facts of the matter so relax. Watching the laughable replies here remind me on just how petty some of you are.
I'll reitterate, who cares? All of you know I'd love to take as many shots at MLSE as possible, but to bash them for this is just pure reaching and dishonest opinion.
Christ.. pretty sensitive you bashers are? No one knows the facts of the matter so relax. Watching the laughable replies here remind me on just how petty some of you are.
I'll reitterate, who cares? All of you know I'd love to take as many shots at MLSE as possible, but to bash them for this is just pure reaching and dishonest opinion.
All right guys is this necessary? Let's knock off the bickering please. No personal jabs.
Thanks, Mel :thumb:
Madferret
6-30-05, 12:57 PM
Christ.. pretty sensitive you bashers are? No one knows the facts of the matter so relax. Watching the laughable replies here remind me on just how petty some of you are.
I'll reitterate, who cares? All of you know I'd love to take as many shots at MLSE as possible, but to bash them for this is just pure reaching and dishonest opinion.
You weren't saying that when MLSE pulled your Baby Leafs out from NFLD were you? Get a job and then get canned for no apparent reason and get back to us.
Christ.. pretty sensitive you bashers are? No one knows the facts of the matter so relax. Watching the laughable replies here remind me on just how petty some of you are.
I'll reitterate, who cares? All of you know I'd love to take as many shots at MLSE as possible, but to bash them for this is just pure reaching and dishonest opinion.
Their staff was very reliable, and among the best in the league from what I've heard. This team has been with the Leaf since the early 90's and all of a sudden they're no good? All I've only heard good things about Broadhurst in particular. Jeff Brown thanked Broadhurst for "saving his life" after a Carolina doctor misdiagnosed an infected cut on his leg. Wendel Clark even came back to Toronto for medical treatment from that staff when he was playing for another club. Berard could've lost an eye if Broadhurst didn't get out on the ice so quickly. His reward for so many years of good service? He gets fired. Right when hockey season is about to be back.
I think JFJ is simlpy getting ready to put his friends in some jobs.
Max Power
6-30-05, 1:42 PM
Like nhl Dave mentioned this is just hearsay from sportsnet so I wouldn't assume it's the truth yet. But if it is I'll be looking forward to the reason behind it
Leafs_Fa_Life
6-30-05, 1:50 PM
I think JFJ is simlpy getting ready to put his friends in some jobs.
If that is the case, is it really shocking? Don't most new GMs prefer to have their own people in the organization?
Anyways, I'd prefer to hear a reason for the firings before I comment anymore.
If that is the case, is it really shocking? Don't most new GMs prefer to have their own people in the organization?
Why do you need your own men in such a position though? Espicially when this particular team of doctors/trainers has not only been quite reliable for over a decade now, but have developed quite a good reputation.
Newfie John
7-01-05, 10:23 AM
You weren't saying that when MLSE pulled your Baby Leafs out from NFLD were you? Get a job and then get canned for no apparent reason and get back to us.
Its a whole different matter and whole different circumstances. People have jobs, they lose them, it happens. To bash MLSE for something they may have not have even done, or heard any reasons why, is just yet another reach by bashers to bash the leafs. I know, and so do you that you don't care about those doctors, this is just another chance o bash the leafs. Go ahead, bash away, I find your "deep concern" hilarious. You will all have this forgot about next week.
For the record I do feel bad for the guys who alledgedly lost their jobs, but they're replacable, just as all the players we shipped out are replacable. This is no different then when the leafs let Robert Reichel go. Keep in mind these people are doctors, they can easily find more work, for maybe even more money. Just as a hockey player can find a new team, for maybe even more money.
Madferret
7-01-05, 11:11 AM
Its a whole different matter and whole different circumstances. People have jobs, they lose them, it happens. To bash MLSE for something they may have not have even done, or heard any reasons why, is just yet another reach by bashers to bash the leafs. I know, and so do you that you don't care about those doctors, this is just another chance o bash the leafs. Go ahead, bash away, I find your "deep concern" hilarious. You will all have this forgot about next week.
I know you Leaf lot are about as sensitive, defensive and insecure as they come, but commenting on a news story is not 'bashing' John.
Making up a 'Martin Havlat is gay and needs to have his lunch served to him and head taken off' Thread is bashing.
Madferret
7-01-05, 11:12 AM
For the record I do feel bad for the guys who alledgedly lost their jobs, but they're replacable, just as all the players we shipped out are replacable. This is no different then when the leafs let Robert Reichel go. Keep in mind these people are doctors, they can easily find more work, for maybe even more money. Just as a hockey player can find a new team, for maybe even more money.
And what about their pensions?
Newfie John
7-01-05, 11:17 AM
I know you Leaf lot are about as sensitive, defensive and insecure as they come, but commenting on a news story is not 'bashing' John.
Making up a 'Martin Havlat is gay and needs to have his lunch served to him and head taken off' Thread is bashing.
There has been no bashing in this thread?
Pretty classless.
Another classy move by the Leaf.
Theres just 2 examples, and please don't bring my idiotic past, its not warranted.
And what about their pensions?
What about it?
Madferret
7-01-05, 11:18 AM
Sporstnet has learned....
Two days ago is when this story was made aware to the media. Has JFJ or TML denied this report John?
Reaction (http://www.tmlfans.ca/forums/index.php?topic=38396.0)
Madferret
7-01-05, 11:20 AM
There has been no bashing in this thread?
Theres just 2 examples, and please don't bring my idiotic past, its not warranted.
What about it?
Why / how is that bashing?
I miss those threads of yours Johny... :D
If the article in the Toronto Sun is to be beleived and I have no reason not to beleive it then the terminations did take place. Now all we want to know is why, not that it's really any of our business.
Leafs_Fa_Life
7-01-05, 12:17 PM
Long-serving Leafs doctor mystified by staff's dismissal
Ferguson seeks `improved' model
Injuries during lockout cost team
KEN CAMPBELL
SPORTS REPORTER
After 16 years with the Maple Leafs organization, Michael Clarfield was not told why he was let go, nor was he ever told by anyone in management that his work was unsatisfactory.
Which is why Clarfield was just as confused as many others in the hockey world that his contract was not renewed by Maple Leafs GM John Ferguson Jr. Clarfield, who was a team doctor, was dismissed Wednesday along with orthopaedic surgeon Darrell Ogilvie-Harris, head sports therapist Chris Broadhurst and therapist Brent Smith.
"They do what they do, that's hockey," said Clarfield who runs a sports medicine clinic in Toronto. "I loved being involved in it, I loved the guys and I had a great time doing it and I met a lot of great people. I can look back on it and say it was a great 16 years and I'm thankful I had those."
Ferguson, who made the decision, said he will likely make a formal announcement Monday.
"Our medical model will be new and improved," Ferguson said yesterday. "I understand the questions, but I'm not going to get into anything publicly right now."
There has been speculation that the staff came under fire for the way it handled a hand injury to captain Mats Sundin that forced him to miss four playoff games in 2004 and that Alexander Mogilny's hip injury, Owen Nolan's knee problems and a hand injury to Tie Domi were causes for concern.
As a result of the Mogilny, Domi and Nolan injuries, as well as a back injury to goalie Ed Belfour, the Leafs ended up paying almost $4 million (all figures U.S.) in salaries to injured players during the lockout. The Leafs' medical staff had always been spoken of well around the league and Broadhurst, who joined the organization in 1989 after working wonders with Wendel Clark's back, had often treated players from other teams during the summer at his private clinic. "I've never heard one player say a bad thing about Chris Broadhurst," said one player agent.
And despite the advanced age of their lineup, the Leafs were very respectable in terms of man-games lost to injury in 2003-04. They lost 239 games to injury, 12th best in the 30-team league.
The Leafs also renewed the contracts of all scouts and Ferguson said he intends to add to the scouting department. Former Calgary GM Craig Button, hired as a consultant to Ferguson last summer, will have his contract renewed once he and the club settle on a defined role and title.
Lets see what he says on Monday.
John, the comments of this being a classless move are hardly bashes but more so facts.
Newfie John
7-01-05, 2:20 PM
John, the comments of this being a classless move are hardly bashes but more so facts.
Nothing of the like is fact, only opinion. Fact is what comes from the people who actually know whats going on.
KB in Kelowna
7-01-05, 5:33 PM
Maybe the organization is just looking for someone with geriatric care training?
:nod: :laughing:
Now that was bashing, sorry my bad.
Nothing of the like is fact, only opinion. Fact is what comes from the people who actually know whats going on.
Bush knows what is going on.
Therefore everything he says is the truth?
Maybe the organization is just looking for someone with geriatric care training?
:nod: :laughing:
Now that was bashing, sorry my bad. :laughing:
Nothing of the like is fact, only opinion. Fact is what comes from the people who actually know whats going on.
Everyone in the hockey industry, right down the fans who follow the sport, know exactly what's going on. Nothing. And with their staff (Broadhurst in particular) being widely considered among the best in the league, this descision makes no sense at all. Unless JFJ thinks he can convince some other doctors from other NHL franchises to drop everything and come to Toronto, this "improvement" is not going to happen. They already had, more or less, the cream of the crop. That's why it's so mysterious this would occur.....
Madferret
7-01-05, 7:52 PM
Injuries during lockout cost team
*lol*
Newfie John
7-03-05, 10:46 AM
Everyone in the hockey industry, right down the fans who follow the sport, know exactly what's going on. Nothing. And with their staff (Broadhurst in particular) being widely considered among the best in the league, this descision makes no sense at all. Unless JFJ thinks he can convince some other doctors from other NHL franchises to drop everything and come to Toronto, this "improvement" is not going to happen. They already had, more or less, the cream of the crop. That's why it's so mysterious this would occur.....
So nice to see your concern, be it misguided or not. I had no idea you had such an indepth knowledge of the medical staffs in the NHL. The fact is, every medical staff in the NHL is replacable, and JFJ must have a motive here, and if its cutting costs, so be it, because there is no problem. They're replacable, just as Robert Reichel is replacable, but no one brought out the waterworks when his contract wasn't renewed.
Bush knows what is going on.
Therefore everything he says is the truth?
:conspire: What are you talking about? They don't have to be telling the truth, but the facts in this case are unknown, unlike some of you who think you know the facts of the situation. If you think there is a big conspiracy behind this miniscule matter, all I can do is laugh at you.
Why would the Leafs fire their medical staff? With the patchwork required to fixup those granddads wearing a Leaf jersey year after year, you'd think the Leafs medical staff would be the most experienced in the NHL. :)
Newfie John
7-06-05, 3:46 PM
Why would the Leafs fire their medical staff? With the patchwork required to fixup those granddads wearing a Leaf jersey year after year, you'd think the Leafs medical staff would be the most experienced in the NHL. :)
That may be true, so they could be getting paid the most of the NHL. With cost cutting measures to be made after this lockout, new doctors have to be found.
Madferret
7-06-05, 3:51 PM
That may be true, so they could be getting paid the most of the NHL. With cost cutting measures to be made after this lockout, new doctors have to be found.
That doesn't even make sense John.
bluemeanie
7-06-05, 3:56 PM
That may be true, so they could be getting paid the most of the NHL. With cost cutting measures to be made after this lockout, new doctors have to be found.
Robot doctors...
http://www.firsttvdrama.com/show1/good/drathro.jpg
Newfie John
7-06-05, 3:58 PM
That doesn't even make sense John.
How doesn't it? The only fact of this matter is that we don't know the facts. I'm speculating that maybe this medical staff made a lot of money, and they were canned because there were cheaper means of a medical staff out there, which would be equally effective.
Madferret
7-06-05, 4:05 PM
How doesn't it? The only fact of this matter is that we don't know the facts. I'm speculating that maybe this medical staff made a lot of money, and they were canned because there were cheaper means of a medical staff out there, which would be equally effective.
Has this cheaper, equally effective medical staff that's out there been hired yet? Actually, I didn't hear of any of the other 29 teams canning their medical staff, so is their a phantom 31st team / medical staff in the NHL that I don't know about?
:shrug:
Newfie John
7-06-05, 4:09 PM
Has this cheaper, equally effective medical staff that's out there been hired yet? Actually, I didn't hear of any of the other 29 teams canning their medical staff, so is their a phantom 31st team / medical staff in the NHL that I don't know about?
:shrug:
The doctors don't have to come from another NHL team. They can be found anywhere. CHL, Europe, AHL, ECHL, or find Doctors who are going to try a different practice.
Leafs_Fa_Life
7-06-05, 4:15 PM
The doctors don't have to come from another NHL team. They can be found anywhere. CHL, Europe, AHL, ECHL, or find Doctors who are going to try a different practice.
:conspire:
You don't get a foot doctor to perform brain surgery...even if you do save a few bucks...
bluemeanie
7-06-05, 4:47 PM
:conspire:
You don't get a foot doctor to perform brain surgery...even if you do save a few bucks...
Sur you does. Me buyed a new phlat skreeen tvision with thee money i saved.
Newfie John
7-08-05, 9:35 AM
:conspire:
You don't get a foot doctor to perform brain surgery...even if you do save a few bucks...
No no no, use common sense here. Maybe a guy doesn't want to work out of the hospital anymore and has the expertease to allow him to be a team doctor.
Madferret
7-08-05, 9:41 AM
No no no, use common sense here. Maybe a guy doesn't want to work out of the hospital anymore and has the expertease to allow him to be a team doctor.
Do you really want a Medic coming out of a Hospital with a limited exposure to sports injuries heading or being a part of your team medical staff ? All for the sake of saving a few $$$ ?
Newfie John
7-10-05, 1:14 PM
Do you really want a Medic coming out of a Hospital with a limited exposure to sports injuries heading or being a part of your team medical staff ? All for the sake of saving a few $$$ ?
Hey, I'm speculating. It's possible and I think a good emergency room doctor would be able to handle on ice injuries pretty well considering the things that happen in hospitals every day. Would you consider injuries in a hospital or hockey game to be more serious? Obviously the doctor coming from the hospital wouldn't have to make that much of an adjustment. Except for most nights at work he'll be enjoying himself watching a hockey game.
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