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Madferret
6-01-05, 6:31 PM
McKenzie: Not so fast
TSN.ca Staff

With regard to a report from a Toronto radio station that agreement on a new CBA is imminent or effectively done or just requiring the dotting of Is or crossing of Ts, we present for your consideration reaction to that...from people who are actually part of the negotiations. The first person could not be more succinct though it does require some editing. "Total horsebleep," is what one individual said of the report suggesting a deal is virtually done.

The second person was equally emphatic. "A deal is definitely not done and much work remains to be done. I don't know where this deal is done nonsense is coming from." One of those quotes came from someone on the NHL side. One of them came from the NHLPA side. And who said the NHL and NHLPA can't agree on anything?

The truth is there is widespread expectation that a deal is going to be done, sooner rather than later. It's extremely doubtful that we should be anticipating that deal being done in a matter of hours. Could it be just days away? Perhaps. Could it be weeks? Perhaps. Could it still blow up? Perhaps. If you're frustrated by the lack of absolutes there, if you're dismayed at our reporting skills for mouthing what any hockey fan at home could figure out for himself, well, that's the reality of this situation.

Collective bargaining is a delicate process. Until the deal is done, fully done, it's not done at all. And it is, apparently, not yet done. And as often as I get lied to in this business, I'm prepared to take "the deal is not done" responses from the individuals involved at face value. Unfortunately, there are likely to be a lot of these "deal is done" reports surfacing in the next little while, what with the two sides clearly on the right track to reaching an agreement. One of them will actually prove to be true and someone will get the scoop.

But you would like to think we all would have learned our lessons from the last time out, that fateful Friday in February when The Hockey News jumped the gun and posted a website story that said the deal was done. It wasn't, as we all found out on what has become known as "Sad Saturday." Clearly, we are now closer to getting that deal. Much closer. But it's not done, not yet anyway.

For TSN.ca, I'm Bob McKenzie.

I wonder if Bob ever realizes the irony in that he always has to "set the record straight" on nonsense rumours that his fellow TSN scribes usually start. Anyone? Bob?

:conspire:

PDO
6-01-05, 6:50 PM
I wonder if Bob ever realizes the irony in that he always has to "set the record straight" on nonsense rumours that his fellow TSN scribes usually start. Anyone? Bob?

:conspire:

Bob's an idiot.

Having said that, speculation is rapant that a deal will be done by June 30th.. I may as well get my hopes up, I can't take another long winter :cry:

grim
6-01-05, 7:09 PM
I guess he's referring to this Toronto radio station? I'm a little slow. This is just like those "The Pope Is Dead" rumours.

An NHL deal appears to be done
Jun, 01 2005 - 1:00 PM

TORONTO/640TORONTO - Could a deal to end the NHL lockout already be done?

There are strong indications from several sources that today's meeting here in Toronto between the league and the players' association is just a formality.

640 Toronto hockey expert Dennis Beyak says several sources have indicated that for all intents and purposes a deal is done -- all that's left to do is the final paperwork.

He suggests both sides are going to be very cautious and they'll want to have their lawyers go through the agreement before this goes public.

Beyak doesn't expect a deal to be announced right away though.


- 640Toornto 24Hour Newscentre





source (http://www.640toronto.com/news/toronto_sports.cfm?cat=7428109912&rem=10885&red=80110923aPBIny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=toronto_sports.cfm)

Madferret
6-01-05, 7:14 PM
What is it with these guys taking the weatherman approach to their jobs and getting away with it?
No sources.
No dates.
No accountability.
Maybe this, maybe that.
WTF has happened to journalism?

grim
6-01-05, 7:42 PM
What is it with these guys taking the weatherman approach to their jobs and getting away with it?
No sources.
No dates.
No accountability.
Maybe this, maybe that.
WTF has happened to journalism?

The whole world is going to the cows.

Madferret
6-01-05, 8:08 PM
The whole world is going to the cows.

Moo...

a4l
6-01-05, 10:29 PM
The whole world is going to the cows.
As long as they are mad; who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Max Power
6-02-05, 8:37 AM
We'll have hockey come September but how long this process will take is anybodies guess. Both owners and players can?t afford another year off and these long meetings are a good sign they?re both thinking the same thing.

NHL, NHLPA meet for 10 1/2 hours; talks resume Thursday in larger group
02/06/2005 12:06:00 AM

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TORONTO (CP) - The NHL and NHL Players' Association held small-group discussions for 10 1/2 hours Wednesday, again working on a review of revenue measurement and financial reporting issues.


PIERRE LEBRUN
The discussion will continue with a larger group Thursday as both sides try to find common ground on team-by-team revenues and how to associate them to a salary cap. Both sides have agreed that a salary cap model with an upper and lower limit will be the centre piece of the collective bargaining agreement, but have laboured through the financial review in order to tie revenues to the moving cap figure.

While progress has been slow but steady, the two sides continue to plug away at it. Wednesday's meeting, which went from 11 a.m. EDT until 9:30 p.m. EDT, was the 17th session since the season was cancelled Feb. 16.

The NHLPA roster Wednesday featured senior director Ted Saskin, outside counsel John McCambridge, associate counsel Ian Pulver, players' executive committee president Trevor Linden and vice-president Vincent Damphousse as well as two union financial people. The league was represented by chief legal officer Bill Daly, Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, outside counsel Bob Batterman, NHL general counsel David Zimmerman, lawyer Shep Goldfein and other financial figures.

Representing the league Thursday will be commissioner Gary Bettman, Daly, Goldfein, Zimmerman, director of hockey operations Colin Campbell, New Jersey Devils CEO and GM Lou Lamoriello, board of governors chairman Harley Hotchkiss of the Calgary Flames and Nashville Predators owner Craig Leipold.

The NHLPA will have executive director Bob Goodenow, Saskin, Pulver, director of business relations Mike Gartner, McCambridge, Detroit Red Wings veteran player Brendan Shanahan, and the players' executive committee: Linden, Damphousse, Bill Guerin, Daniel Alfredsson, Arturs Irbe, Trent Klatt and Bob Boughner.