You're the Canucks GM....

[TimmyTabasco]

Yeah, Parrish is now a UFA...
Source (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=244823&lid=sublink01&lpos=headlines_nhl)

But, agreed with Lossy..

I'd prefer a player like Vermette, but Parrish could remain a backup plan

[AtLossForWords]

The Team 1040 and TSN have reported that Sundin has six teams interested in his services. Some have said given time they will make room for him (I'll bet they are the Rangers, Avalanche, and Wings). Sundin has said he may not make his decision on August 1st, but just sometime in August.

This is getting a little tedious. If you're Gillis do you start making other deals now that make this team's future brighter?

I really like Patrick O'Sullivan he had 53 points in his first full season last year. If the Canucks could get O'Sullivan and Stoll, I'd consider trading Kesler in the deal. They're not signed, but with the cap room the Canucks have it would be a piece of cake to get them both.

In case their is a chance to contend, should the Canucks take a run at Selanne to play on the first line? He might do for O'Sullivan what he did for McDonald and turn him into a 90 point scorer.

Selanne O'Sullivan Demitra/Raymond
Sedin Sedin Bernier
Burrows Stoll Pyatt
Pettinger Johnson Hordichuk

Ohlund Edler
Salo Mitchell
Krajicek Davison

Luongo
Sanford

Say Bieksa is what it takes to get the deal done. That's a definate improvement over last year. With O'Sullivan coming aboard there is a very bright future for this teams forwards.

Henrik Sedin
Daniel Sedin
Steve Bernier
Mason Raymond
Patrick O'Sullivan
Michael Grabner
Juraj Simek
Cody Hodgson

[KB in Kelowna]

I think it was gordo that predicted that Sundin could end up in Denver, somehow I think he winds up somewhere other than Vancouver, and then Gillis has to work the phones.

[TimmyTabasco]

I'm pretty sure Sundin will end up here

Sure, its a pain in the ass..but

Don't like the idea of O'Sullivan..and Selanne

[rustybadcock]

I don't mind the idea of Teemu at all. He'd make a welcome winger for the twins perhaps. Hellova slapshot.

[TimmyTabasco]

So..Clowe has resigned..Vermette has resigned..

Meszaros is still unsigned..and could be available..

Options are dwindling..

[KB in Kelowna]

So..Clowe has resigned..Vermette has resigned..

Meszaros is still unsigned..and could be available..

Options are dwindling..
Once arbitration season ends start looking at who is pushing the cap ceiling or in some cases who needs to reach the floor and see what deals can be made.

[gordphish]

I'm pretty sure Sundin will end up here

Sure, its a pain in the ass..but

Don't like the idea of O'Sullivan..and Selanne

I thought so too, but I just don't get the delay now. I don't care how much money you have, you don't get offered 20 million for 14 months worth of work very often.

He can take the one year deal if he wants so he can retire or weigh his options next summer.

It's a beautiful city that has a lot to offer a guy like Mats, they are a Cup contender with him in the lineup, his move would be much less of a distraction in Vancouver than it would be in Montreal, Detroit, Ottawa or New York.

So what's the goddamn holdup?

Like Yzerman said...if you aren't 100% sure it is the time to retire, then it isn't the time.

I know he's following the timeline he set himself back on July 1, but it's starting to get freaking stupid. If you want to play, sign and get on with it. If you'd rather stay in Toronto or go to New York, then have the class and the balls to tell Gillis that so he can get on with improving his hockey club.

Either way, sh1t or get off the effing pot already.

[TimmyTabasco]

Poisson,

Agreed..

But anyway, if he doesn't sign..there will be other options..

Lossy mentioned O'Sullivan..but would the Kings let him go?

Bergeron still remains a possibility..as does Kessel. But, will Bergeron be healthy?

Gomez? Alright..so..he might be available..especially if they sign Sundin

[rustybadcock]

If Sundin doesn't come I'd seriously look to Shanahan. Sure, two different types of players but at 39 he's still a 20 goal man and would bring some grit and heart to this line up.

I don't like Sundin's actions to this point. I think there needs to be some serious concession to the idea that if there is any hint of him not taking this deal in the Gillis camp they should be pulling the offer. I think it's total bullsh1t at this point. I mean, honestly...he's deciding whether or not he still wants to play???? phuckoff.....You're telling me this will be a good thing for us now? Most guys have been working out all summer! This guys gonna figure it all out in the next 10 to 15 days (hopefully) and THEN begin working out and preparing for camp????!!!! I don't think he's going to be ready to go frankly, and for this kind of dough, he should be in the best shape of his life. And as 37 becomes 38 it all gets a little harder as I am sure I need not remind you all here cause I think some of us already know this.

Bottom line is I just can't see this song and dance any longer. I know I said previously that we should pull out and I believe it was gord who reminded me of Quinn rushing Gretz but this is now a very different scenario IMO.

RB

[rustybadcock]

Poisson,

Agreed..

But anyway, if he doesn't sign..there will be other options..

Lossy mentioned O'Sullivan..but would the Kings let him go?

Bergeron still remains a possibility..as does Kessel. But, will Bergeron be healthy?

Gomez? Alright..so..he might be available..especially if they sign Sundin

How is O'sullivan or Kessel a possibility? I just can't see LA or Boston moving either of them. And for my money, if I were to try to pry anyone out of LA or Boston is would be Brown (bite my tongue) or Milan Lucic.

Regardless my friend, I just don't see anyone of these players being all that available.

Now Gomez....you might have something there. He pay is high but this guy is talented. However he has seen two seasons in a row of point reductions....just sayin'. He also might welcome the idea of coming to the west coast based on the small fact he's an Alaskin' boy.

[KB in Kelowna]

LA is sitting below the cap right now and in order to get to the floor they need to do something. They could actually have to trade for salary so who knows who could come the other way.

[gordphish]

LA is sitting below the cap right now and in order to get to the floor they need to do something. They could actually have to trade for salary so who knows who could come the other way.

Well, Los Angeles certainly needs help on defense with only Preissing, Johnson, Gauthier, Greene and possibly Hickey on their blueline. But getting to the floor shouldn't be that difficult once they get Stoll, O'Sullivan and Richardson signed. Add another defenseman and extend Kopitar and they'll be well above.

Perhaps a deal with LA for a defenseman could be worked out, though. Kopitar might be a good fit with Demitra.

As for Sundin, I heard something a few days ago that got me thinking. Apparently he tore his labrum at some point over the last few seasons. That's the same injury that sidelined Kesler and Morrison. He hasn't had surgery for it yet, and if he isn't working out at all, this could all be about resting it and seeing if it will heal on its own.

Now, if that's the case, I don't think I'd be as high on bringing him in as I was. Typically with this injury, the player always ends up needing surgery in the end. Imagine signing Sundin and then learning in November that he's done for the season because he's reinjured himself and needs to go under the knife. Maybe Montreal or New York could withstand that injury, and certainly it wouldn't mean diddly to the Leafs, but if Hodgson is still a year away from even making the team, it could be disastrous for us.

IMO, if there is even a question about Sundin's labrum, then Gillis needs to pull the offer now and start implementing plan B.

Remember also that everyone but Kesler, Demitra, Raymond, Johnson, Hordichuk, Mitchell, Bieksa, Salo and Luongo are either UFA or RFA next summer. I'd think that extensions for the Sedins and Edler at the least would be a priority before the season is over.

And finally, here is something to keep in mind as the deadline approaches next February. I've read or heard from several sources that the Canucks are VERY high on Gaborik, and that if he becomes UFA next summer, they will offer him a substantial deal, one that could make him one of the top 3 highest paid players in the league. It's a pretty big 'if'. Remember that we were hearing the same thing about Heatley a year ago, but just keep it in mind.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=245315&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_nhl

Agree with RB wholeheartedly now...time for Gillis to move on.

[TimmyTabasco]

Kessel has been rumoured in trades for a long time. Not sure why, but hey..
Plus, they are tight against the cap..due to signings etc.

I'd prefer Bergeron(more proven at this point in his career)..but I'm also wary of his concussion concerns..

Gomez played junior hockey in BC, for the Surrey Eagles. So, he knows the area..

Brown would be ideal..perfect..But, no chance the Kings trade him..unless we really overpaid

Another team is Washington..Kozlov..Nylander. Both aren't great options..more like clogs..

[KB in Kelowna]

Another team is Washington..Kozlov..Nylander. Both aren't great options..more like clogs..
Do you mean cogs? Or that they would gum up the works or would be utilitarian players?:shrug:

Wasn't Nylander a Gillis client? There was the whole did he didn't he sign with Edmonton last summer fiasco as well.

[AtLossForWords]

Kessel has been rumoured in trades for a long time. Not sure why, but hey..
Plus, they are tight against the cap..due to signings etc.

I'd prefer Bergeron(more proven at this point in his career)..but I'm also wary of his concussion concerns..

Gomez played junior hockey in BC, for the Surrey Eagles. So, he knows the area..

Brown would be ideal..perfect..But, no chance the Kings trade him..unless we really overpaid

Another team is Washington..Kozlov..Nylander. Both aren't great options..more like clogs..

Do you think Krejci is a guy worth looking at in Boston, he could be a good sleeper acquisition. He performed well last year when he had the chance to perform in a scoring role. It was his first year in the NHL, I guess Boston might think of him as many Canuck fans think of Mason Raymond. He might be had somewhat cheap in trade.

Gomez is a guy I could really see playing for Vigneault and doing very well. He's a forward who plays a good two way game and will go into tough areas to make plays. Maybe he slacked a little bit in New York where it seems no one gets asked to do anything too hard.

I don't know about taking Washington's dinosaurs. I think if we fail to get Sundin I'd look to players who are a little younger and not quite hit their prime.

[gordphish]

Do you think Krejci is a guy worth looking at in Boston, he could be a good sleeper acquisition. He performed well last year when he had the chance to perform in a scoring role. It was his first year in the NHL, I guess Boston might think of him as many Canuck fans think of Mason Raymond. He might be had somewhat cheap in trade.

Gomez is a guy I could really see playing for Vigneault and doing very well. He's a forward who plays a good two way game and will go into tough areas to make plays. Maybe he slacked a little bit in New York where it seems no one gets asked to do anything too hard.

I don't know about taking Washington's dinosaurs. I think if we fail to get Sundin I'd look to players who are a little younger and not quite hit their prime.

I disagree, at least when it comes to centres.

They didn't draft Cody Hodgson to play 3 or 4 years in the minors. Ideally, they will find a veteren that will be here for one or two seasons until Hodgson is ready. Or they go with a young guy that they can switch to the wing, e.g Vermette.

No thanks on Gomez...7.4 million per for another 6 years is way too much for a second line centre.

What would you guys think of this line as a 'Plan B'?

Prucha / Nylander / Demitra

[AtLossForWords]

I disagree, at least when it comes to centres.

They didn't draft Cody Hodgson to play 3 or 4 years in the minors. Ideally, they will find a veteren that will be here for one or two seasons until Hodgson is ready. Or they go with a young guy that they can switch to the wing, e.g Vermette.

No thanks on Gomez...7.4 million per for another 6 years is way too much for a second line centre.

What would you guys think of this line as a 'Plan B'?

Prucha / Nylander / Demitra

I think it's the softest thing since a rich white girl's ass.

I think if the Canucks are going to look for a plan B to help them compete next year, they need to find scorers who can make the Sedins the second line on this team.

If Kopitar is actually available, he's a homerun. He should be here already...*looks at Mr. Nonis*.

I just don't see this team going anywhere with the Sedins as the top scoring unit playing against the likes of Regehr, Schultz, Niedermayer, and Lidstrom every night. The Canucks really need a line that forces an opposing to coach to say "plan B, you take the Sedins."

[TimmyTabasco]

Haha..good one Lossy, and agreed. I dont like that line..too soft..

Plus, will Prucha ever score 30 goals again? Its hard to tell..

Read a report that the Canucks offered Ryder the same money that Boston offered. But, he chose Boston due to the location...Julien

So..pretty glad that Boston won that deal. 4 million would have been an overpayment. Happier with Bernier

[gordphish]

I think it's the softest thing since a rich white girl's ass.

I think if the Canucks are going to look for a plan B to help them compete next year, they need to find scorers who can make the Sedins the second line on this team.

If Kopitar is actually available, he's a homerun. He should be here already...*looks at Mr. Nonis*.

I just don't see this team going anywhere with the Sedins as the top scoring unit playing against the likes of Regehr, Schultz, Niedermayer, and Lidstrom every night. The Canucks really need a line that forces an opposing to coach to say "plan B, you take the Sedins."

LOL...

OK, how about Demitra / Sundin / Forsberg ???

Better keep the cordizone handy...

As for the Sedin line, I think Bernier has the potential to be a huge difference maker for them.

And if Demitra can play well with them as well, they have something they've never had. A second option that Vigneault can employ to shake up the way teams defend against them.

Also, look at it like this...if they can find a second line to support them, it makes life easier for the Sedins right there. One of the reasons the Sedins were easy to defend against last year is that the Canucks had no consisent secondary scoring line. Teams could throw out their top defensive players against the Sedins and knew that if they shut them down, the Canucks wouldn't score.

Be it Demitra with either Sundin, Nylander or Kopitar or a combination of younger players like Raymond, Hodgson, Grabner, Wellwood and Bernier, if they can find that other line that can at least be a threat to score most nights it makes the Sedins more effective as the first line.

Granted, in a perfect world the Sedins would be their second line, but it is possible IMO that the smaller step of backing them up with a second scoring line can put this team back in to contention in the West, at least over the short term.

Keep in mind, though, that the Sedins may not even be in Gillis' long term plans. If the two centres they drafted this summer pan out, you could very well see the Sedins moved for players that help support the likes of Hodgson and Forshaug.

[TimmyTabasco]

Kopitar? How could they acquire him? Thats next to impossible..since he is responsible for most of LA's offense

Lang? I'm not a fan..but Chicago is close to the cap, if not over. Could be another clog..he's a UFA next season

Remember Gillis said he'd be aggressive..and try to improve the team? So far..

-made a trade proposal for Backes, then an offer sheet..
-made a deal for Bernier
-made an offer for Ryder, rejected
-made an offer for Sundin, ahem..
-reportedly was agressively after Carter..before he signed
-signed Demitra
-picked up Wellwood of Waivers
-signed Krog, Johnson, and Hordichuk

Thats pretty decent, atleast he's trying to really improve the team..

[AtLossForWords]

Kopitar? How could they acquire him? Thats next to impossible..since he is responsible for most of LA's offense

Lang? I'm not a fan..but Chicago is close to the cap, if not over. Could be another clog..he's a UFA next season

Remember Gillis said he'd be aggressive..and try to improve the team? So far..

-made a trade proposal for Backes, then an offer sheet..
-made a deal for Bernier
-made an offer for Ryder, rejected
-made an offer for Sundin, ahem..
-reportedly was agressively after Carter..before he signed
-signed Demitra
-picked up Wellwood of Waivers
-signed Krog, Johnson, and Hordichuk

Thats pretty decent, atleast he's trying to really improve the team..

I certainly don't see Gillis standing pat to end the off season. If Sundin really has that labrum problem Gordo is talking about, I hope he signs a one year deal with the Avs or Rangers, has a short season due to injury, and then retires.

Kopitar should be next to impossible to acquire, but I can't remember if LA has signed him long term yet. I know they locked up Cammalieri and Brown last season, but I don't remember whether Kopitar was locked up. If there's a holdup in contract talks, then he could very well be available.

[KB in Kelowna]

Kopitar? How could they acquire him? Thats next to impossible..since he is responsible for most of LA's offense

Lang? I'm not a fan..but Chicago is close to the cap, if not over. Could be another clog..he's a UFA next season

Remember Gillis said he'd be aggressive..and try to improve the team? So far..

-made a trade proposal for Backes, then an offer sheet..
-made a deal for Bernier
-made an offer for Ryder, rejected
-made an offer for Sundin, ahem..
-reportedly was agressively after Carter..before he signed
-signed Demitra
-picked up Wellwood of Waivers
-signed Krog, Johnson, and Hordichuk

Thats pretty decent, atleast he's trying to really improve the team..

I will give Gillis points for at least being aggressive and not following the Burke-Nonis pattern, and he has made the team tougher and acquired at least one forward who is a proven scorer (Demitra) and another who is a potential (Bernier) scorer, but the Sundin thing still hovers, make a decision Mats, it seems to have worked for Bret Favre :D

[gordphish]

I certainly don't see Gillis standing pat to end the off season. If Sundin really has that labrum problem Gordo is talking about, I hope he signs a one year deal with the Avs or Rangers, has a short season due to injury, and then retires.

Kopitar should be next to impossible to acquire, but I can't remember if LA has signed him long term yet. I know they locked up Cammalieri and Brown last season, but I don't remember whether Kopitar was locked up. If there's a holdup in contract talks, then he could very well be available.

No, Kopitar has not been extended yet. He will be RFA next summer and will collect just under a million this season.

If the Kings anticipate difficulties resigning him, it could provide an opportunity to acquire him.

As for Gillis, he doesn't get any points from me just for trying. Yes, he's been aggressive in a few situations, but in terms of player personel movement, so far there is only really been a rearranging of the deck chairs for the most part.

I like Demitra only in the sense that he comes here wanting to be a part of the team and that he provides more versatilty than Naslund did.

Wellwood may or may not end up being an improvement over Morrison in the long run. But he has to stay healthy and he has to produce. I see him more as a powerplay specialist and scoring depth forward, myself.

I like the addition of Bernier, but based only on his potential. He may turn out to be nothing more than Gillis' version of Taylor Pyatt.

Johnson should be an upgrade over Ritchie, but we're only talking fourth line centres here.

Hordichuk basically replaces Cooke, except he'll fight more and won't be expected to provide secondary scoring. But again, we're only talking about 4th line forward.

Krog, Isbister, whatever.

Davison and Baumgartner were solid signings because this team needs depth on defense, but they only really replace Miller and Weaver.

As is, IF the team stays healthy and it gets bigger contributions from its younger players, then there is no reason it can't return to the point total it posted two seasons ago. And obviously they would be a lot better if a certain Swede finally decides to take Gillis up on his offer. But there is not a lot of difference between this roster and the one that missed the playoffs last year IMO.

Where I'm happier with the Gillis regime so far is off the ice and what they are doing to improve the player development department.

[AtLossForWords]

No, Kopitar has not been extended yet. He will be RFA next summer and will collect just under a million this season.

If the Kings anticipate difficulties resigning him, it could provide an opportunity to acquire him.

As for Gillis, he doesn't get any points from me just for trying. Yes, he's been aggressive in a few situations, but in terms of player personel movement, so far there is only really been a rearranging of the deck chairs for the most part.

I like Demitra only in the sense that he comes here wanting to be a part of the team and that he provides more versatilty than Naslund did.

Wellwood may or may not end up being an improvement over Morrison in the long run. But he has to stay healthy and he has to produce. I see him more as a powerplay specialist and scoring depth forward, myself.

I like the addition of Bernier, but based only on his potential. He may turn out to be nothing more than Gillis' version of Taylor Pyatt.

Johnson should be an upgrade over Ritchie, but we're only talking fourth line centres here.

Hordichuk basically replaces Cooke, except he'll fight more and won't be expected to provide secondary scoring. But again, we're only talking about 4th line forward.

Krog, Isbister, whatever.

Davison and Baumgartner were solid signings because this team needs depth on defense, but they only really replace Miller and Weaver.

As is, IF the team stays healthy and it gets bigger contributions from its younger players, then there is no reason it can't return to the point total it posted two seasons ago. And obviously they would be a lot better if a certain Swede finally decides to take Gillis up on his offer. But there is not a lot of difference between this roster and the one that missed the playoffs last year IMO.

Where I'm happier with the Gillis regime so far is off the ice and what they are doing to improve the player development department.

I definately like the changes Gillis made to the fourth line. I think he got the kind of fourth line this team needs to compete in the Northwest instead of relying on small undersized guys to play minutes against a line like say Simon, Boogard, and Fedoruk.

I don't like what he's done with the top six. He put all his eggs in the one basket of an aging superstar who won't commit to playing. It would be much easier to find a center for Marian Hossa right now than Pavol Demitra. I could deal with Viktor Kozlov, Michael Nylander, or another B center alongside Hossa. I can't deal with seeing one of those guys playing alongside Demitra on a competing team.

Bernier is a wild card, but Gillis definately had more important issues that needed his attention than a winger for the Sedins. The problem is that he hasn't gotten the job done for this team's top line.

[charlio lemieux]

I highly doubt Kopitar will be moving anywhere.

Cammalieri got moved to Calgary did he not? I think he should do great with Iggy.

Wellwood will drive you guys nuts. One minute he can look a mini-Mario Lemieux, and the next minute look like a mini-Hal Gill, only without Gill's defensive skills.
Do you play him at center, his natural position, or do you switch him to the wing? Sundin actually asked to have Kyle on his line at one point, which I would think is a good sign. Personally I would try him with the Sedins on the wing and put Bernier and Demitra together.

[AtLossForWords]

I highly doubt Kopitar will be moving anywhere.

Cammalieri got moved to Calgary did he not? I think he should do great with Iggy.

Wellwood will drive you guys nuts. One minute he can look a mini-Mario Lemieux, and the next minute look like a mini-Hal Gill, only without Gill's defensive skills.
Do you play him at center, his natural position, or do you switch him to the wing? Sundin actually asked to have Kyle on his line at one point, which I would think is a good sign. Personally I would try him with the Sedins on the wing and put Bernier and Demitra together.

Wellwood will likely be a PP specialist when injuries hit. Gillis picked him up as a depth move, unless he really shines he won't be taking a roster spot from the guys who are already in our top six. He won't be a center behind Henrik Sedin. If he is, I think we're in trouble.

[TimmyTabasco]

Alright..how about O'Sullivan and or Stoll?

It would be an alright plan B

Also..isn't Chicago over the cap? Sharp would be interesting..speedy..can score

[rustybadcock]

Wellwood will likely be a PP specialist when injuries hit. Gillis picked him up as a depth move, unless he really shines he won't be taking a roster spot from the guys who are already in our top six. He won't be a center behind Henrik Sedin. If he is, I think we're in trouble.

Actually I think a focused and mature Wellwood with a better and more professional approach to his career is a great center for this team who easily fits behind Henrik. Wellwood is far more gifted then Mo ever was or will be and Mo was this teams #1 for how long?...I really see Wellwood being a very pleasant surprise for many Canuck fans. His FO% is excellent and his play making will impress. He never takes penalties however I will say, if Canuck fans are looking for a banger up the middle, forget it, I don't believe he's ever thrown a body check....lol. However, he's smart, real smart and his hands are incredible from what I've seen of him. This kids got one problem that's haunting him today, his past reputation for being lazy....well I am willing to bet being bought out has woken this young man up big time. I heard he's been skating all summer, something like that....Anyway, Wellwood is a top 6 player in this league and is gifted enough to challenge Henrik for top center if no other changes are made on this team. I mean with the little he's already played his FO numbers are better the Sedin. This guy needed to be let go by the leafs, best thing that's ever happened in his career and I am glad he landed in Vancity and I suspect anyone with doubts should agree by Christmas.

RB

[rustybadcock]

Alright..how about O'Sullivan and or Stoll?

It would be an alright plan B

Also..isn't Chicago over the cap? Sharp would be interesting..speedy..can score

Is Sharp available?!!:eyebug: :eyebug: That's one of the best player suggestions I've heard in some time for this team, I was just reading about him the other day. Never even crossed my mind that he might be on the block in Chitown.....I can't see it but hey, if he is, I am all for it. Here's a sleeper talent and his type of player would fit with what Gillis has already done aka Wellwood and Bernier. Sharp would be an excellent fit!

RB

[rustybadcock]

I highly doubt Kopitar will be moving anywhere.

Cammalieri got moved to Calgary did he not? I think he should do great with Iggy.

Wellwood will drive you guys nuts. One minute he can look a mini-Mario Lemieux, and the next minute look like a mini-Hal Gill, only without Gill's defensive skills.
Do you play him at center, his natural position, or do you switch him to the wing? Sundin actually asked to have Kyle on his line at one point, which I would think is a good sign. Personally I would try him with the Sedins on the wing and put Bernier and Demitra together.

Yup, he's a Flame now. :thumb:

I'd try Bernier with Wellwood and yes, with his FO numbers I would without a doubt play him in his natural position, this team hasn't had a really strong and consistent FO guy since I became a fan and I am hoping this kid can bring that as his number one asset. I see him doing very well with a large aggressive player like Bernier. In a perfect world you surround him with size and at least one winger who will go to the net. (another of this teams missing links...someone who will go to the damn net! :curse: :laughing: )

RB

[TimmyTabasco]

Is Sharp available?!!:eyebug: :eyebug: That's one of the best player suggestions I've heard in some time for this team, I was just reading about him the other day. Never even crossed my mind that he might be on the block in Chitown.....I can't see it but hey, if he is, I am all for it. Here's a sleeper talent and his type of player would fit with what Gillis has already done aka Wellwood and Bernier. Sharp would be an excellent fit!

RB

Well, I'm not sure..but he could be made available..especially since they are over the cap

I'd like to see Wellwood with Kesler and Burrows. He could bring another dimension to that line..

[rustybadcock]

Well, I'm not sure..but he could be made available..especially since they are over the cap

I'd like to see Wellwood with Kesler and Burrows. He could bring another dimension to that line..

I guess really, anyone is available for the right price. ;)

I don't like that line man, Wellwood is a natural center. He never hits, our third line is a forecheck high pressure type of line, I find it hard to believe that Wellwood's gonna muck it up along side Burrows and Kesler. I am also assuming you've got Kesler in the middle? Wellwood's a better FO man I believe. If Sundin stays put in Sweden Wellwood's this teams 2nd line center IMO.

RB

[gordphish]

I guess really, anyone is available for the right price. ;)

I don't like that line man, Wellwood is a natural center. He never hits, our third line is a forecheck high pressure type of line, I find it hard to believe that Wellwood's gonna muck it up along side Burrows and Kesler. I am also assuming you've got Kesler in the middle? Wellwood's a better FO man I believe. If Sundin stays put in Sweden Wellwood's this teams 2nd line center IMO.

RB

Well, if Wellwood is the 2nd line centre, how do the lines work out? Wellwood between Raymond and Demitra? Not sure I like that line all that much. I think I'd play Demitra with the Sedins and go with a second line of Wellwood between Raymond and Bernier.

If Wellwood could stay healthy, I don't mind having him keep the seat warm for Hodgson. But if he can't stay healthy, that leaves an awfully big hole in their lineup, so I'd still rather Gillis added another centre should Mats not sign here.

Sharp, as a player I like him, but how does he fit? Both Sharp and Kesler are, IMO, third line centres.

I still think that should Gillis get official word that Sundin isn't taking his offer that we'll see a deal for Nylander. Nylander has had his injury concerns lately, but at least then they'd have Wellwood in the chamber to back him up. And Nylander isn't as soft as some people think. I'd feel a lot more comfortable having both Nylander and Wellwood while we wait on Hodgson.

In the end, I just can't see them going in to the season with 10 million of cap space available. After what Aquillini said at the presser when he fired Nonis about not having every penny of cap space spent, I expect at least one more significant contract will be added, Mats or no Mats.

Daniel / Henrik / Bernier
Raymond / Nylander / Demitra
Pyatt / Kesler / Burrows
Hordichuk / Johnson / Pettinger
Wellwood / Cowan

I can live with that lineup for the start of the season, at least, especially with players like Hodgson, Grabner and Hansen ready to compete for a spot.

[TimmyTabasco]

That second line would be pushed around..

They would need atleast one physical element..

On Sharp..he scored 36 goals last season. So, a bit more than a third line center. Linemates..sure..

But, on the Canucks..he could play with Demitra..so

[gordphish]

That second line would be pushed around..

They would need atleast one physical element..

On Sharp..he scored 36 goals last season. So, a bit more than a third line center. Linemates..sure..

But, on the Canucks..he could play with Demitra..so

I mean like a line of Tanguay / Sakic / Hejduk would get pushed around? Or Federov / Larionov / Kozlov?

I'm not comparing the skill levels, but the point is that not every line needs a physical element.

Suppose Sundin does sign here. Where is the physical element in a line of Raymond / Sundin / Demitra? You're going to count on a 38 year old Sundin for that?

What we need added to our top 6 right now skill first. Players like Pyatt, Burrows or Cowan can always be sprinkled into the line for toughness.

And like I said...Nylander is not soft.

[TimmyTabasco]

I mean like a line of Tanguay / Sakic / Hejduk would get pushed around? Or Federov / Larionov / Kozlov?

I'm not comparing the skill levels, but the point is that not every line needs a physical element.

Suppose Sundin does sign here. Where is the physical element in a line of Raymond / Sundin / Demitra? You're going to count on a 38 year old Sundin for that?

What we need added to our top 6 right now skill first. Players like Pyatt, Burrows or Cowan can always be sprinkled into the line for toughness.

And like I said...Nylander is not soft.

Well, I never said he was soft. I'm not saying he's a bad choice for a plan B, but there might be better options..

Would he waive his no trade clause..especially after the Edmonton fiasco?

Like I said before..get a deal with Nylander/Semin..and I'm all for it. Semin would add another dimension to the scoring, moody or not. But, I don't see McPhee dealing Semin..especially after his excellent playoffs and worlds

[TimmyTabasco]

Here are some ideas to mull over, its a slow week for news/rumours

-Joe Pavelski
This guy is pretty good..and is going to get better. Does San Jose have room for him to develop? What would it take to acquire him? Lets not forget that San Jose is pretty close to the cap...

-Steve Reinprecht
Not crazy about this guy. But, he could fill the No.2 spot..and could be expendable. Wouldn't cost much to acquire

-Jarret Stoll
Not a sexy addition, but a solid No.2 guy. Wins faceoffs, gritty, has that R hand shot for the PP. Could be expendable in Los Angeles..and wouldn't cost much

-Patrice Bergeron
Again, I really like this guy..and what he brings to the table. He would be a solid fit. Plus, they have Savard, Kessel, among others..and need help on defense. Bieksa for Bergeron straight up? Remember Ottawa(reportedly)offered Vermette for Bieksa..Only concern is his injury, but the same could be said about Bieksa...

-Chris Higgins
So, lets say the Habs do sign Sundin. Then, Higgins could be available. Could be solid

So, thoughts?

[AtLossForWords]

I talked about an O'Sullivan/Stoll package coming here. I still kind of like that idea.

Higgins would be a solid player if the Habs are in a situation where Gainey will have to move him. I remember he was the deal breaker in a possible Hossa deal to Montreal last season, so I know Gainey likes that guy. The price will be high for him.

Bieksa for Bergeron looks like an even swap to me, personally I'd rather have the center.

Pavelski would be a very solid plan B. I liked everything I saw from him in the playoffs this season with San Jose and much of what he did throughout the season. For the right price he's a homerun, but I don't think Vancouver and San Jose look like good trading partners. They both need more scoring punch.

I don't think there is anyway Sharp is dealt. I don't really believe any rumors of young players leaving Chicago. The press seems to make it up or another GM tells the press he tried to get Seabrook/Sharp/Byfuglien/Keith/Barker and the deal never happens. Chicago is in cap trouble, but they're going to try to move older guys like Lang, Havlat, Zyuzin, Khabibulin, and the like.

[gordphish]

I talked about an O'Sullivan/Stoll package coming here. I still kind of like that idea.

Higgins would be a solid player if the Habs are in a situation where Gainey will have to move him. I remember he was the deal breaker in a possible Hossa deal to Montreal last season, so I know Gainey likes that guy. The price will be high for him.

Bieksa for Bergeron looks like an even swap to me, personally I'd rather have the center.

Pavelski would be a very solid plan B. I liked everything I saw from him in the playoffs this season with San Jose and much of what he did throughout the season. For the right price he's a homerun, but I don't think Vancouver and San Jose look like good trading partners. They both need more scoring punch.

I don't think there is anyway Sharp is dealt. I don't really believe any rumors of young players leaving Chicago. The press seems to make it up or another GM tells the press he tried to get Seabrook/Sharp/Byfuglien/Keith/Barker and the deal never happens. Chicago is in cap trouble, but they're going to try to move older guys like Lang, Havlat, Zyuzin, Khabibulin, and the like.

So we're talking about guys like O'Sullivan, Pavelski and Sharp...what do we have to give up to get those guys? Edler for certain, maybe with Raymond or Kesler thrown in for as well.

What would be the point?

We've drafted Hodsgon, he is the future is now. Why give up our only quality youth that is currently in the lineup just to give Hodgson's spot away to O'Sullivan or Sharp?

Not going to happen.

[rustybadcock]

Well, if Wellwood is the 2nd line centre, how do the lines work out? Wellwood between Raymond and Demitra? Not sure I like that line all that much. I think I'd play Demitra with the Sedins and go with a second line of Wellwood between Raymond and Bernier.

Agreed.

If Wellwood could stay healthy, I don't mind having him keep the seat warm for Hodgson. But if he can't stay healthy, that leaves an awfully big hole in their lineup, so I'd still rather Gillis added another centre should Mats not sign here.

Sharp, as a player I like him, but how does he fit? Both Sharp and Kesler are, IMO, third line centres.

True, never thought of it that way.

I still think that should Gillis get official word that Sundin isn't taking his offer that we'll see a deal for Nylander. Nylander has had his injury concerns lately, but at least then they'd have Wellwood in the chamber to back him up. And Nylander isn't as soft as some people think. I'd feel a lot more comfortable having both Nylander and Wellwood while we wait on Hodgson.

Always been a fan of Nylander. However I suspect that nothing more will happen until about xmas if Sundin doesn't come. He's going into opening day with what we have.

In the end, I just can't see them going in to the season with 10 million of cap space available. After what Aquillini said at the presser when he fired Nonis about not having every penny of cap space spent, I expect at least one more significant contract will be added, Mats or no Mats.

Well, when put that way....I see your point. Again, always liked Nylander.

Daniel / Henrik / Bernier
Raymond / Nylander / Demitra
Pyatt / Kesler / Burrows
Hordichuk / Johnson / Pettinger
Wellwood / Cowan

I can live with that lineup for the start of the season, at least, especially with players like Hodgson, Grabner and Hansen ready to compete for a spot.

Well, I think we might have little choice in liking this line up for the time being if Sundin should be a no show. Whatever, I like the direction. I think this is already looking like a better group so maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea to start off the season and carry that 10 mil until say....xmas. Lets give this a chance and it also gives Gillis time to put together a real "hockey trade" that makes real sense for this team. I don't mind the additions of Wellwood, Bernier and Demitra. I believe we're a better all around team already.

RB

[TimmyTabasco]

We need scoring, and we need top six forwards..right now

Thats why we would have to acquire someone like Sharp, Pavelski etc.

When Hodgson is ready, he can step in..and then we can deal with the ice time problems

But right now, we need help in the top six..and we need scoring

Sure, I wouldnt want to trade Edler for one of these guys

But, I wouldnt totally pull his name off the table

[AtLossForWords]

We need scoring, and we need top six forwards..right now

Thats why we would have to acquire someone like Sharp, Pavelski etc.

When Hodgson is ready, he can step in..and then we can deal with the ice time problems

But right now, we need help in the top six..and we need scoring

Sure, I wouldnt want to trade Edler for one of these guys

But, I wouldnt totally pull his name off the table

Well the type of player most of us feel we need is almost impossible to acquire.

I see the market offering two types of player. One is washed up players who are going support on scoring depth. Pretty much what Demitra is, a guy who can score 60-70 points in a good season with the right guys on his line.

The other type of a player is a prospect. Someone like Patrick O'Sullivan who won't hit his full potential next season, but will still produce a good 60-70 points next season with better years ahead.

I don't mind the idea of O'Sullivan as a young player who could become a core guy along with Hodgson and then push the Sedins off our team.

I hate to be on the Sedin hatewagon, but I really don't see them as a core players for years to come. They don't have full offensive skill sets, and I think the time that they could have developed what they are missing has passed.

I like them for the team this year, they both are 1a/1b players who can be a good unit with some support, but five years down the road I don't want to be looking at Swedish Lindens who have had a steep decline in production because of the effects of age and one dimensional strategy.

I think Sharp would be a good addition, but I seriously doubt he is available. This guy is not another Kesler, he's a sniper who can pot 40 a year. He didn't turn any heads in Chicago until they saw his breakaway skill getting chances on the PK. When he got the chance to play with Kane and Toews he really blossomed into a good all around finisher.

[gordphish]

Well the type of player most of us feel we need is almost impossible to acquire.

Oh boy, do I disagree. That's the same retoric we heard for the last four years under Nonis. Plenty of teams over those four years have found ways to add 'that type of player'.

I see the market offering two types of player. One is washed up players who are going support on scoring depth. Pretty much what Demitra is, a guy who can score 60-70 points in a good season with the right guys on his line.

I see what you're getting at, but I wouldn't call Sundin, Shanahan or Selanne washed up just yet.

The other type of a player is a prospect. Someone like Patrick O'Sullivan who won't hit his full potential next season, but will still produce a good 60-70 points next season with better years ahead.

I don't know if I see too many players of that ilk still available at this point, and I'm not so sure O'Sullivan really is that available. The Kings have always been very high on this guy.

I don't mind the idea of O'Sullivan as a young player who could become a core guy along with Hodgson and then push the Sedins off our team.

I hate to be on the Sedin hatewagon, but I really don't see them as a core players for years to come. They don't have full offensive skill sets, and I think the time that they could have developed what they are missing has passed.

I agree in the sense that I don't think Gillis sees the Sedins as the core he intends to move forward with over the long term. He said as much at his first press conference as GM. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they get dealt at this year's trade deadline.

I like them for the team this year, they both are 1a/1b players who can be a good unit with some support, but five years down the road I don't want to be looking at Swedish Lindens who have had a steep decline in production because of the effects of age and one dimensional strategy.

Agreed.

I think Sharp would be a good addition, but I seriously doubt he is available. This guy is not another Kesler, he's a sniper who can pot 40 a year. He didn't turn any heads in Chicago until they saw his breakaway skill getting chances on the PK. When he got the chance to play with Kane and Toews he really blossomed into a good all around finisher.

Disagree. Kesler scored 20 goals playing with Burrows and who? Put Kesler with Kane and Toews and he could probably get 30 to 35 as well. IMO, both players are better suited in the third line centre spot.

While I could see Gillis doing what Rusty suggested and sticking with what he has if Sundin doesn't sign, I think it's a dangerous roll of the dice with this market right now. We heard the same thing from Nonis when it came to 'wiating and seeing what becomes available by Christmas' and nothing really shook loose. If Gillis takes Nonis' approach and waits for the right deal to fall into his lap, he'll share Nonis' fate.

However, I do expect that Gillis will be a lot more aggressive at the trade deadline. Ownership all but promised that they will spend right to the cap's ceiling, and Gillis will be pressured to do so.

I think Gillis will be true to his word that he'll try to compete over the next two seasons, but I don't think he'll make Luongo the team's number one priortiy. The number one priority has to be player development. If it isn't, this team will remain stuck in the same loop it's been for the last 38 years, rehashing other team's castoffs and enjoying small cycles of limited success.

But Gillis better be careful. If he doesn't add another top 6 forward before the season starts, it will just add more and more pressure to add that forward by March, almost regardless of what their prospects accomplish. That's the reality of this market.

I myself am still expecting another deal before the end of the month, but with this team, getting my hopes up has proven to be more trouble than it's worth.

[TimmyTabasco]

Check out tsn..

Supposedly the Canucks are interested in signing Parrish

This wouldn't be a bad move, especially if Bernier has trouble with consistency. It gives Vino options

BUT, they would still need a top center..

[gordphish]

Check out tsn..

Supposedly the Canucks are interested in signing Parrish

This wouldn't be a bad move, especially if Bernier has trouble with consistency. It gives Vino options

BUT, they would still need a top center..

Well, I guess he's another right handed shot. Maybe playing with the Sedins he'd put up OK numbers, but I don't much like the idea of playing Demitra at centre. They'll get dominated up the middle most nights if he and Henrik are their top 2 pivots.

[TimmyTabasco]

I'm sure they'll add a top line center, and that Parrish would be only part of plan B

For 2 million a season, couldn't really go wrong

[charlio lemieux]

Here are some ideas to mull over, its a slow week for news/rumours

-Joe Pavelski
This guy is pretty good..and is going to get better. Does San Jose have room for him to develop? What would it take to acquire him? Lets not forget that San Jose is pretty close to the cap...

-Steve Reinprecht
Not crazy about this guy. But, he could fill the No.2 spot..and could be expendable. Wouldn't cost much to acquire

-Jarret Stoll
Not a sexy addition, but a solid No.2 guy. Wins faceoffs, gritty, has that R hand shot for the PP. Could be expendable in Los Angeles..and wouldn't cost much

-Patrice Bergeron
Again, I really like this guy..and what he brings to the table. He would be a solid fit. Plus, they have Savard, Kessel, among others..and need help on defense. Bieksa for Bergeron straight up? Remember Ottawa(reportedly)offered Vermette for Bieksa..Only concern is his injury, but the same could be said about Bieksa...

-Chris Higgins
So, lets say the Habs do sign Sundin. Then, Higgins could be available. Could be solid

So, thoughts?

Joe Pavelski - I would think the sharks move Marleau before Pavelski. It fits both from a cap standpoint,(Marleau 2yrs @ $6.3M, Pavelski 2yrs @ $1.637M) also Marleau would bring a lot more in return.

Steve Reinprecht - I like him but he is nothing special as you already pointed out. He could put up 50+ pts in the right situation but do you really want another Morrison calibre player? The price for Reinprect should be cheap enough with the current depth PHX has a center.

Jarret Stoll - Probably my favorite Oiler over the last 4-5 years. Usually has good face off #'s and has a booming shot. I believe the oil used to put him on the point on the PP. I don't know if he'll be moved out of LA so soon after getting acquired.

Patrice Bergeron - Too good to be moved if he is healthy. A waste of cap room if he isn't. Personally as much as I like his skill set I wouldn't touch him with a 50ft pole until his health is established. Even then I would hesitate as he could be only one hit away from retirement.

Chris Higgins - 25yr old 30 goal scorer....hmm, I don't see him getting moved when MTL is a serious cup contender.

Others:
Patrick Sharp - No way he moves. After the season he just had and the direction Chicago is going I see him as a Hawk for the near future.

Jeff Carter - Might cost you 2 1st rounders to get him but he would be perfect for the 2nd line. Moving him would just about fix Philly's cap problem.

Scott Hartnell - Don't know if Philly has interest in moving him and his rough style of play but he can play both wings and has scored 20+ goals consistantly while getting 3rd line ice time in Philly and Nashville.

[gordphish]

I'm starting to lean in another direction as to who I'd like to see Gillis go after.

To start with, if the latest rumours are to be believed, Sundin is leaning toward the Atlantic division, specifically the Rangers and Philly. Should he sign with the Flyers, that takes Philly out of the running for the player I would target most aggressively right now, Jay Bouwmeester.

Again, should the latest rumours have an inkling of truth to them, the Panthers are shopping Bouwmeester because they feel they won't be able to sign him to a long term deal.

So why would I pull the the Sundin offer off the table and go hard after Bouwmeester? Organizational depth.

The Canucks have the strongest stable of young centres that they've ever had in Kesler, Wellwood, Rypien, Hodgson, Gendur, Froshaug, White, Bliznak and Cullen. However, beyond the potential of Edler, they have no dominant number one defenseman that can QB the powerplay anywhere in their system.

Yes, over the short term while they wait for more of their prospects to arrive, they need help scoring goals. Bouwmeester can go a long way in helping to provide that scoring, and he's only 25.

What would I be willing to give up for Bouwmeester? Well, I'd start with Bieksa, Grabner and our 09 first round pick. I'd be willing to either throw in our 2010 first rounder or upgrade Bieksa to Edler if that's what it would take.

With Bouwmeester in place, the blueline would definately be set for a long time, but what about the forward position, specifically at centre?

My answer is wait and be patient. For the time being, sign Parrish and go with this for the start of the season...

Daniel / Henrik / Demitra
Raymond / Kesler / Bernier
Pyatt / Wellwood / Parrish
Hordichuk / Johnson / Burrows
Pettinger / Cowan

Then you take the first half of the season to see where your young centres are at. If all goes well, Hodgson, Froshaug or Gendur emerge and take a roster spot away from Wellwood or Johnson, allowing you to do some serious shopping at the trade deadline.

Again, should all go according to plan, the first line is where the overhaul would centre on. Let's face it, you aren't going to win a Stanley Cup with the Sedins and Demitra as your first line, but that line gets a lot better looking should they swap the Sedins for players like Marian Gaborik, Evgeni Malkin or Jeff Carter.

And finally, one other note.

Keep the name Sergei Shirikov in mind. With a transfer agreement now in place with the Russians, he could end up being a big part of the Canucks' future. He should have been a first round pick the year he was drafted. If they can get him signed and over here, they would get a lot deeper in scoring virtually overnight.

[rustybadcock]

I'm starting to lean in another direction as to who I'd like to see Gillis go after.

To start with, if the latest rumours are to be believed, Sundin is leaning toward the Atlantic division, specifically the Rangers and Philly. Should he sign with the Flyers, that takes Philly out of the running for the player I would target most aggressively right now, Jay Bouwmeester.

Again, should the latest rumours have an inkling of truth to them, the Panthers are shopping Bouwmeester because they feel they won't be able to sign him to a long term deal.

So why would I pull the the Sundin offer off the table and go hard after Bouwmeester? Organizational depth.

The Canucks have the strongest stable of young centres that they've ever had in Kesler, Wellwood, Rypien, Hodgson, Gendur, Froshaug, White, Bliznak and Cullen. However, beyond the potential of Edler, they have no dominant number one defenseman that can QB the powerplay anywhere in their system.

Yes, over the short term while they wait for more of their prospects to arrive, they need help scoring goals. Bouwmeester can go a long way in helping to provide that scoring, and he's only 25.

What would I be willing to give up for Bouwmeester? Well, I'd start with Bieksa, Grabner and our 09 first round pick. I'd be willing to either throw in our 2010 first rounder or upgrade Bieksa to Edler if that's what it would take.

With Bouwmeester in place, the blueline would definately be set for a long time, but what about the forward position, specifically at centre?

My answer is wait and be patient. For the time being, sign Parrish and go with this for the start of the season...

Daniel / Henrik / Demitra
Raymond / Kesler / Bernier
Pyatt / Wellwood / Parrish
Hordichuk / Johnson / Burrows
Pettinger / Cowan

Then you take the first half of the season to see where your young centres are at. If all goes well, Hodgson, Froshaug or Gendur emerge and take a roster spot away from Wellwood or Johnson, allowing you to do some serious shopping at the trade deadline.

Again, should all go according to plan, the first line is where the overhaul would centre on. Let's face it, you aren't going to win a Stanley Cup with the Sedins and Demitra as your first line, but that line gets a lot better looking should they swap the Sedins for players like Marian Gaborik, Evgeni Malkin or Jeff Carter.

And finally, one other note.

Keep the name Sergei Shirikov in mind. With a transfer agreement now in place with the Russians, he could end up being a big part of the Canucks' future. He should have been a first round pick the year he was drafted. If they can get him signed and over here, they would get a lot deeper in scoring virtually overnight.

I have to agree to some degree with regards to Bouwmeester, I've always been a huge fan of this guy - HUGE. And I never really thought about this teams future depth in the D position. I like the offer your presenting, it should compete well with any other GM's in the league. I also believe that the Twins are the second line really and until they step up and somehow manage a 40 goal winger or this team creates a true top line, they're only going so far. The Twins are top talent in my mind, no doubt but they're stronger as the two to a one two punch.

If Sundin refuses to come to our team than what's next? I mean, the Twins are the top line for now, whether we like it or not. I really see Kesler as the number 3 guy, he's a role player, a Maltby-Draper type and the day he really accepts this I see his game taking off! we have a very good bottom six and it should be left that way. Third lines take grit and talent, they need a balance whereas second and first lines need to produce the real and consistent offense. I still say Wellwood shines in this role. His gifted game will meld well with the direction of the team.

Back to Jay Bouwmeester, seems like he's at a stalemate with Florida. So what do you pay him? And for how long? I don't think a long term deal is as big as a problem as what he might be thinking Salary wise. I think I heard he's looking for 7 mil 5 years....are you willing? I might be, he's a forty point guy on some terrible Florida teams thus far....To make it happen you've got to move Bieksa's salary cause we all know Edler will be getting some raise in about 200 days or so.

I sure would like to see more of Hodgson. I don't really have a feel for his game.

RB

[TimmyTabasco]

I dont like that lineup. Kesler is a 3rd line center, and a very good one at that

But, as a second line center..he wouldn't be as effective

If you trade for Bouwmeester, you also try to include Weiss in the package...

However, I think its unlikely either deal would occur

Eklund reports the Canucks/Canes are talking about Williams..and that the Canucks are interested in Weiss. Take it for what its worth

One more thing..if the Rangers or the Flyers sign Sundin..they will have to cut salary. So, they would be possible suitors

[KB in Kelowna]

I dont like that lineup. Kesler is a 3rd line center, and a very good one at that

But, as a second line center..he wouldn't be as effective

If you trade for Bouwmeester, you also try to include Weiss in the package...

However, I think its unlikely either deal would occur

Eklund reports the Canucks/Canes are talking about Williams..and that the Canucks are interested in Weiss. Take it for what its worth

One more thing..if the Rangers or the Flyers sign Sundin..they will have to cut salary. So, they would be possible suitors
On Kesler he has been asked to take on the third line shut down role and has done it well, but perhaps he can step up to number 2, but that means Hank Sedin as #1 and I am not sure that the Sedins and Demitra are a #1 line scoring threat.

If Sundin plays in the east I think any of the several teams that are suitors will have to make adjustments for cap reasons, and Gillis will have to make his move then.

I do like Gordo's idea of making inquiries on Bouwmeester, as the long term depth on defence is not there past Edler.

[gordphish]

I dont like that lineup. Kesler is a 3rd line center, and a very good one at that

But, as a second line center..he wouldn't be as effective

If you trade for Bouwmeester, you also try to include Weiss in the package...

However, I think its unlikely either deal would occur

Eklund reports the Canucks/Canes are talking about Williams..and that the Canucks are interested in Weiss. Take it for what its worth

One more thing..if the Rangers or the Flyers sign Sundin..they will have to cut salary. So, they would be possible suitors

No question, once this team is at the stage where it represents Gillis' best shot at contending, that Kesler is best suited to anchor the third line. But considering he got 20 goals playing with Burrows last year, he could be an adequate stop-gap on the second line for a year.

Weiss, just because the Canucks have interest, doesn't mean he's available. From all that I've read and heard, the Panthers are very high on him and see him as captain material. I don't see both Weiss and Bouwmeester going.

As for the Rangers, I'm not sure there is anything they would be willing to deal that I'm all that interested in.

But let's say the Panthers interest in the Sedins at last year's deadline was legit. Daniel and Henrik for Bouwmeester and Weiss?

Or, if the Flyers can swing a deal for Boumeester, how about Kesler and a pick for Carter?

Myself, I'm not looking for the Canucks to be legit contenders this season. I believe the team that ends the season will look markedly different from what we see now. I think the Sedins will be gone by the trade deadline, and if this team is well on the outside looking in come March, we'll likely see one of Salo or Ohlund moved at the deadline as well, with my money on Ohlund.

And then, depending greatly on where the team finished in the standings, we could well see Luongo moved next summer. Being forced to move him at the 2010 deadline, just days removed from the Olympics in Vancouver, could well be a PR nightmare for the Canucks. Look for a concentrated effort to get him extended this year, and if an agreement isn't reached or is at least close by next July, then look for Luongo to be traded.

Like it or not, Sundin or not, playoffs this year or not, this team is officially heading toward a youth movement. Gillis knows that drafting and proper player development is the only way the Canucks are going to get to the top of the mountain and maintain those heights over the long term. It's why they are now spending more money on player development than any other team in the league.

The market being what it is, Gillis will try to appease the masses with the odd veteren acquisition, but I think what we've seen so far is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to his overhaul of the team's roster.

[AtLossForWords]

I agree when you say that this team is headed towards a youth movement. That's what the increased spending in player development is for, but there is a lot of youth already in this organization when you look at guys like Raymond, Grabner, Kesler, Edler, Hodsgon, Sauve, Ellington, and White. Not all of those guys are going to pan out, but given players the Canucks already have in their system they have a top six of young guys.

Raymond Hodgson Grabner
Simek White/Froshaugh Shirikov

It's all potential at this point, but a lot of teams would love to look forward to a lot of that coming to be in the next two seasons.

Whether or not the Canucks are contenders this season depends on Sundin in my opinion. If he's healthy and he's brought in here he immediately gives the Canucks three lines which are a threat to score goals in front of a solid blueline unit and Roberto Luongo, who could very well have a bounce back season and is nominated for a lot of hardware.

With a little more scoring depth, namely Sundin I thin our team could suprise a lot of us next season, but that's all uncertain right now. All we know right now is that we have some good young players to look forward to that are on track to develop better and faster than any previous draft picks of ours have.

[TimmyTabasco]

I really dont think Aquillini wants a rebuilding/youth movement..

Sure, he wants a young team..but not too young

However, if you do want to go that way..trade Luongo

Vancouver
Luongo

to

Montreal
Price
Higgins

[KB in Kelowna]

I really dont think Aquillini wants a rebuilding/youth movement..

Sure, he wants a young team..but not too young

However, if you do want to go that way..trade Luongo

Vancouver
Luongo

to

Montreal
Price
Higgins
Not sure about it happening, but if Gillis can change one other aspect of Canuck culture it would be to stop letting people leave with nothing to show for it.

[gordphish]

I really dont think Aquillini wants a rebuilding/youth movement..

Sure, he wants a young team..but not too young

However, if you do want to go that way..trade Luongo

Vancouver
Luongo

to

Montreal
Price
Higgins

And again, just because they get younger, it wouldn't automatically translate into losing.

I'm not for a minute suggesting that they trade Luongo or the Sedins for a propsect and a number one pick.

Say for instance that they traded the Sedins to Florida for Bouwmeester and the Panthers' number one pick and Luongo to the Penguins for Malkin, then traded Ohlund and one of their first picks for Zajac and a prospect like Corrente.

Now your movement is being built around Malkin (22), Bouwmeester (26) and Zajac (23).

I think I read somewhere that Malkin and Shirikov were linemates and friends in Russia. Get Shirikov over here and now the lines start to look like this...

Demitra / Malkin / Shirikov
Raymond / Zajac / Bernier
Pyatt / Kesler / Burrows,

with Bouwmeester, Edler and Bieksa anchoring your blueline that has guys like Sauve, Ellington, Corrente and Rahimi on the way.

Sure, you roll the dice a bit on Schneider in goal, but half the league is going with young and cheap goalies right now.

It's still rough around the edges as far as blueprints go, but you get the idea.

[gordphish]

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16541

A big no thank-you to Scott Gomez. 7.3 million per, for 5 or 6 years, for a small second line centre that has never broken the 20 goal mark in the NHL? That would be a stupid move that would haunt this team for years.

Even if it did allow them to move the Sedins for a dominant number one centre with size, it still way too much money to commit to a player of that calibre.

The RAngers made their bed. Let them lie in it.

[TimmyTabasco]

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16541

A big no thank-you to Scott Gomez. 7.3 million per, for 5 or 6 years, for a small second line centre that has never broken the 20 goal mark in the NHL? That would be a stupid move that would haunt this team for years.

Even if it did allow them to move the Sedins for a dominant number one centre with size, it still way too much money to commit to a player of that calibre.

The RAngers made their bed. Let them lie in it.

Poisson,

Yes, he makes too much money..and is tied up for too long

However, he has scored more than 20 goals..during 2005/2006 he scored a career high of 33 goals..

That same season Gionta scored 48 goals..also a career high. Reunite them, and hope for the same results? Small, but speedy/feisty..

They also would have three cups between them, which is no easy feat

But, I understand what your saying..and I do think they need more of a scoring center with size

However, just for fun

Demitra-Gomez-Bernier
Sedin-Sedin-Parrish

Not a bad top six..

[AtLossForWords]

I wouldn't mind that top six, but I'd rather see Raymond have a top six role than Parrish. He has much better offensive instincts, but he doesn't succeed with the Sedins and he's have a hard time playing with two other smaller softer players like Demitra and Gomez.

I think it is an improvement over last year's top six, and that's something Gillis has to focus on doing. He has to make the team better than last year's each year he makes changes to his team. Nonis failed to field a better team than the one he put togethor the year before. Look at what happened to him.

[rustybadcock]

I knew gord would puke at Eklund's site today :laughing: :laughing:

I hear ya gord on Gomez, however, small is seeming to be the way of the new so called NHL. And I know another tiny center who just won the Conn Smyth....just sayin' tis all.

I think part of his point issues have been his pelvic injury during the lockout. He and Raymond would be sick together I predict. And another year removed from his set back is another year in the right direction. I also think playing with Jagr is not fun for anyone who won't kiss his ass and Gomez doesn't seem like the type. I was looking at his numbers this morn, am I the only one who thinks he takes too many penalty mins...? Seems high.

And as Timmy says, he's a cup winner. That experience is invaluable.

[gordphish]

I knew gord would puke at Eklund's site today :laughing: :laughing:

I hear ya gord on Gomez, however, small is seeming to be the way of the new so called NHL. And I know another tiny center who just won the Conn Smyth....just sayin' tis all.

I think part of his point issues have been his pelvic injury during the lockout. He and Raymond would be sick together I predict. And another year removed from his set back is another year in the right direction. I also think playing with Jagr is not fun for anyone who won't kiss his ass and Gomez doesn't seem like the type. I was looking at his numbers this morn, am I the only one who thinks he takes too many penalty mins...? Seems high.

And as Timmy says, he's a cup winner. That experience is invaluable.

No way I'd pay 7.3 million for a 15 goal, 65 to 70 point centre. We just had a guy like that here making 3.2.

And what would we have to deal to get hime here? The Rangers aren't going to give him up for nothing.

If he made closer to what he was worth, say around 4 to 5 million, then I'd consider it, providing the Sedins were dealt for a legitmate number one centre by the trade deadline. And even then I'd cringe.

There is just no way Gomez is worth that money, most especially over the next 6 years. It ties up way too much cap space for a player of that calibre and makes him virtually untradable should he prove to be a bust here.

And why should we make life easier for the Rangers and give them the cap space to sign Sundin?

Forget it.

[AtLossForWords]

We would only make things easier for the Rangers after they sign Sundin and need to clear cap space before the season starts. Meaning we could deal with them from a position of strength and help improve our team.

I think Gomez could suprise here. He has the ability to score 33 goals, and he was able to do that on the Devils just two years ago. He had 70 points last year and I don't think of Gomez as adding another Morrison here.

Gomez is a guy who has scored 80 points and over 30 goals before. Morrison didn't give us numbers like that. Morrison didn't win any Cups here either as a 1a/1b center.

I think Scott Gomez plays a little bigger than his size too. He could be a good 1a/1b center with Henrik Sedin here.

Raymond Gomez Demitra
Sedin Sedin Bernier

That top six is definately an improvement over what we were looking at most of last year, and who knows what could happen next July where we might be able to get a power forward to play with Gomez.

Gomez and Raymond could play well togethor considering he scored 33 goals with Brian Gionta who scored 48. I like the idea of having a skilled speedy team on the ice. We seem like a poor man's Detroit Red Wings for a year or two, but the plan looks solid.

[gordphish]

We would only make things easier for the Rangers after they sign Sundin and need to clear cap space before the season starts. Meaning we could deal with them from a position of strength and help improve our team.

I think Gomez could suprise here. He has the ability to score 33 goals, and he was able to do that on the Devils just two years ago. He had 70 points last year and I don't think of Gomez as adding another Morrison here.

Gomez is a guy who has scored 80 points and over 30 goals before. Morrison didn't give us numbers like that. Morrison didn't win any Cups here either as a 1a/1b center.

I think Scott Gomez plays a little bigger than his size too. He could be a good 1a/1b center with Henrik Sedin here.

Raymond Gomez Demitra
Sedin Sedin Bernier

That top six is definately an improvement over what we were looking at most of last year, and who knows what could happen next July where we might be able to get a power forward to play with Gomez.

Gomez and Raymond could play well togethor considering he scored 33 goals with Brian Gionta who scored 48. I like the idea of having a skilled speedy team on the ice. We seem like a poor man's Detroit Red Wings for a year or two, but the plan looks solid.

Gomez scored 33 goals once. Just once. His next highest total is 19, which he did in his rookie season.

He isn't a 30 goal scorer, he isn't even a 20 goal scorer. He's just another 15 goal playmaking centre, which we already have, and he comes with a 7.3 million dollar price tag.

Get him, and either the Sedins or Luongo go bye-bye, because they won't be able to extend all three.

Best case scenario with him here, they either extend Luongo and deal the Sedins for a legit number one goal scoring centre (which will force them go cheap on the wings), or they extend the Sedins with a home town discount, trade Luongo and go with Schneider.

IMO, you don't spend 7.3 million on a second line centre.

Why do you think the Rangers want to move him just a year after signing him?

And again, what are we giving up here? Bieksa? Edler? Do you want to weaken a defense that has all sorts of trouble staying healthy? Kesler? Raymond? Give up on the only solid young talent we have in the lineup right now for an overpriced second line centre?

Besides, I find it highly unlikely that Gillis would acquire Gomez. Remember, when Gillis was asked his opinion of the UFA signings in July, he said that his surprise was at the terms that were being handed out. He gave the impression that he had no intention of signing anyone to contracts that were 5, 6 or 7 years in length. I don't think he'd commit to Gomez for another 6 years.

[gordphish]

So it's August 25th, and still no word from Sundin.

I wake up with the distinct impression that this might just be the roster that Gillis starts the season with. Perhaps Mark Parrish is signed sometime this week, but I think that might just be it until March.

If that is the case, I'm not sure how to take it. I'm thinking that unless Luongo stands on his head again, this team is going to be on the outside looking in by the time the trade deadline rolls around.

All I can really say is that Gillis better be very active at the trade deadline, because unless Hodsgon is ready sooner rather than later, this is going to be one restless and unhappy market over the next 6 months.

[TimmyTabasco]

Well, firstly..on Gomez. Sure, agreed..dont like his salary. But, he does have two cup rings..and did play very well in last years playoffs. I thought we needed guys with rings, and playoff experience?

Richards and Gomez are two very similar players...But enough about that, he simply makes too much money

Anyway, on Sundin..this guy is very indecisive..probably wont sign anywhere

So..I think Gillis will have a plan B. I'm confident he will make a move for a top six center, and then sign Parrish to a deal

Who? Its hard to tell..but one of the rumoured names..possibly

[gordphish]

Well, firstly..on Gomez. Sure, agreed..dont like his salary. But, he does have two cup rings..and did play very well in last years playoffs. I thought we needed guys with rings, and playoff experience?

Richards and Gomez are two very similar players...But enough about that, he simply makes too much money

Anyway, on Sundin..this guy is very indecisive..probably wont sign anywhere

So..I think Gillis will have a plan B. I'm confident he will make a move for a top six center, and then sign Parrish to a deal

Who? Its hard to tell..but one of the rumoured names..possibly

Unless there are some preset deals in place that hinge simply on Sundin signing, I think it's getting a little late for a plan B. Camp is what, a week away?

You have to wonder how many of those GMs that are over the cap are starting to sweat.

And Timmy, Richards has broken the 20 goal mark 6 of his 7 NHL seasons, has a Conn Smythe Trophy under his belt, and most importantly, is only signed for another 3 seasons. Had he been due to make 7.8 mil for another 6 years I'd have taken the same approach and said no thanks.

On a side note, here is my pick for Sanford's new mask. They've been running a contest on CDC, and it's been kind of cool to look at all the designs people submitted.

Scroll through until you find the one with Johnny Canuck over the Lion's Gate bridge, with the lions on the bottom.

http://canucks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=MediaGalleryPlayer&galleryId=7020

Very well done. He doesn't use the Canuck logo, name, Sanford's name or nickname, superimpose the skyline or include a lame ass reference to the Olympics, and yet it works perfectly. I especially like the green and blue used for the cars crosiing the bridge. If Sanford doesn't use it, Luongo should.

[Nelson19777]

http://www3.telus.net/ksrsl/Sandford.JPG

Not bad.

There are actually quite a few pretty good ones.

[AtLossForWords]

Richards and Gomez are two classes of players, I'd be willing to give up more for one than the other.

I don't know if having to pay a whole bunch of money to Gomez is a big deal if he can produce 70-80 points for us. Especially when guys like Hodgson, Froshaugh, Grabner, and Sauve are giving our team quality minutes on rookie contracts.

However...

The Rangers might not move Gomez because teams are not willing to part with too much for him which is taking them out of the Sundin sweeps. Eklund is reporting it's back between Vancouver and Montreal with a lot of Canuck players headways with him to get over the travel and enjoy the city.

[gordphish]

Richards and Gomez are two classes of players, I'd be willing to give up more for one than the other.

I don't know if having to pay a whole bunch of money to Gomez is a big deal if he can produce 70-80 points for us. Especially when guys like Hodgson, Froshaugh, Grabner, and Sauve are giving our team quality minutes on rookie contracts.

However...

The Rangers might not move Gomez because teams are not willing to part with too much for him which is taking them out of the Sundin sweeps. Eklund is reporting it's back between Vancouver and Montreal with a lot of Canuck players headways with him to get over the travel and enjoy the city.

Interesting.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=247648&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_nhl

Basically Gainey says that while he's been in contact with Barry, he's had no indication of any kind that Sundin has any interest in playing in Montreal. While he reamins hopeful, he is not optimistic.

I've said from the beginning that I never thought Montreal was seriously in this thing.

As for Eklund, all he really is, IMO, is a medium for spreading disinformation for his 'sources'. Who was spreading the 'Montreal leading the wau for Sundin' rumours? IMO, the people out of Colorado.

I still think that Mats' decision will be tied closely to Sakic's. What is interesting there and about the strong possibilty that Sundin does end up in Vancouver, is twofold.

One, Sakic has called a press conference Thursday. Do you do that to announce you are resigning with the Avs and coming back another year? I don't think so. I think in the end, Joe has decided to call it a career. You'll see a very brief and humble prepared statement from him, he may answer just a few questions from his closest 'friends' in the media, and then he'll hit the links. Or, he'll be introducing his newest teammate, Sundin.

Two, that several sources are now indicating that Mats is having serious discussions with players from the Canucks. He wouldn't do this if Vancouver wasn't a very real possibility which leads me to believe that tomorrow's presser is more likely to be the former than the latter.

IMO, the Rangers have said no thanks, Sakic is retiring and Montreal and Toronto just aren't really options for Sundin anymore.

Assuming he has decided to come back (and again, why would you be talking to players from the Canucks if you were leaning toward retirement?), I think it might just be down to two teams now. Colorado and Vancouver.

[AtLossForWords]

Interesting.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=247648&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_nhl

Basically Gainey says that while he's been in contact with Barry, he's had no indication of any kind that Sundin has any interest in playing in Montreal. While he reamins hopeful, he is not optimistic.

I've said from the beginning that I never thought Montreal was seriously in this thing.

As for Eklund, all he really is, IMO, is a medium for spreading disinformation for his 'sources'. Who was spreading the 'Montreal leading the wau for Sundin' rumours? IMO, the people out of Colorado.

I still think that Mats' decision will be tied closely to Sakic's. What is interesting there and about the strong possibilty that Sundin does end up in Vancouver, is twofold.

One, Sakic has called a press conference Thursday. Do you do that to announce you are resigning with the Avs and coming back another year? I don't think so. I think in the end, Joe has decided to call it a career. You'll see a very brief and humble prepared statement from him, he may answer just a few questions from his closest 'friends' in the media, and then he'll hit the links. Or, he'll be introducing his newest teammate, Sundin.

Two, that several sources are now indicating that Mats is having serious discussions with players from the Canucks. He wouldn't do this if Vancouver wasn't a very real possibility which leads me to believe that tomorrow's presser is more likely to be the former than the latter.

IMO, the Rangers have said no thanks, Sakic is retiring and Montreal and Toronto just aren't really options for Sundin anymore.

Assuming he has decided to come back (and again, why would you be talking to players from the Canucks if you were leaning toward retirement?), I think it might just be down to two teams now. Colorado and Vancouver.

The Sakic situation is strange I agree. However with the DNC here in Denver very little local media has commented on it.

Supposedly they said Sakic has been training as if he is going to play, but I don't know if that necessarily means he's coming back to the NHL. A lot of people think he's going to be Captain Canada in 2010 whether he retires from NHL hockey or not, so it makes sense he'd want to stay in shape for that.

The Avs do have 12 million in cap space, but signing both Sakic and Sundin seems to be impossible with only that much. I don't see both of those guys taking six million each, and I don't see Sakic taking 5 million or less so Sundin can take 7 million or more.

When it comes to travel, I don't see why Sundin would take less for Colorado's travel schedule than Vancouver's. Denver's airport is miles away from civilization, takes more time to finish customs check than most airports in the country, and takes more time to get through security than most airports in the country. Flying to the East or West Coast from Denver is just as bad as coming from Vancouver.

I do fear Colorado taking Sundin from out of our organization's fingers, because if Sakic does retire they'll be the one team that has the cap space and the need to pay him as much as we will.

Colorado however looks to be on the Leafs' track. Their goaltending is a mess, their defense is only mediocre or worse now that they've lost Finger and Sauer. They'll still be able to score goals, but Colorado isn't a team that has done a good job lately from building from the crease out.

[rustybadcock]

Well Sakic's signed....so does the other shoe drop? I'd just puke. :cry:

RB

[AtLossForWords]

Glad I didn't commit to Sakic retiring. If I didn't I might have to silence myself starting hockeymuzz.com. The NHL news site that gets sources to take off their muzzles on the latest trades, signings, and front office drama.

Sundin is supposedly still undecided and may be another Scott Niedermayer/Teemu Selanne flirting with retirement. Word is Gillis does have a backup plan, but I'm more worried about when he feels he will need to implement it.

Gillis can't wait until late November or December. He has a hockey team and they need points in the standings. If he's got a backup plan, he needs to start working with it starting the first day of camp at the latest which isn't much time.

I'm hoping Gordo is not right about our opening night roster.

[TimmyTabasco]

Well, it appears the Canucks are still interested in landing a center, and a rushing defenseman. Dreger mentioned it last night, on TSN

For defenseman, Schneider has been mentioned. Short term, why not? He's old..but can put up decent points. I would prefer someone younger..

The sens are still having a hard time signing Meszaros. How about trying for Vermette and Meszaros? It would fill both needs, and both players are young..

[gordphish]

With the rumour that surfaced over the last few days about Schneider being on Gillis' radar, it got me thinking about another possibility.

What about Bieksa for Scott Niedermayer?

We know Burke loves Bieksa, going back to the knuckle sandwhich Bieksa gave Fedor Federov while they were both in Manitoba.

If the deal were Bieksa for Schneider, the Ducks wouldn't get all of the cap relief they need. Bieksa's cap hit is 3.75 while Schneider's is 5.625. That only saves the Ducks 1.875 million, and they are 3.235 over the cap. If it were Neidermayer coming the other way, it cuts 3 mil off the cap for Burke.

We know Neidermayer was seriously consider playing 'at home' coming out of the lockout.

If the deal also included Rob Neidermayer, with the Canucks sending a draft pick, prospect, or inexpensive roster player to the Ducks, Anaheim would be under the cap.

Remember, both Niedermayers are UFA's after this season. With the strong possibilty that Scott, Schneider and O'Donnell will all retire next summer, the Ducks should be desperate to add a young defenseman.

Bieksa and Burrows for Scott and Rob Niedermayer?

With that deal, the Canucks would still have the cap space too add Mark Parrish at the right money, say 2 mil per.

Daniel / Henrik / Bernier
Raymond / Kesler / Demitra
Pyatt / Niedermayer / Parrish
Hordichuk / Johnson / Pettinger
Wellwood, Cowan

or

Daniel / Henrik / Bernier
Raymond / Wellwood / Demitra
Parrish / Kesler / Niedermayer
Hordichuk / Johnson / Pyatt
Pettinger, Cowan

with

Niedermayer / Mitchell
Ohlund / Edler
Salo / Krajicek
Davison, Baumgartner

Here is another excellent article written by Gage at hockeybuzz.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16592

Sums it up pretty well for me.

Just imagine for a second where this team will be next summer if Raymond, Bernier, Wellwood, Edler, Hansen, Grabner and Hodgson are all on the roster and producing to potential.

Or for that matter, the position they will be in going in to the trade deadline with the Sedins being expendable.

It's a roll of the dice, for sure, and highly unlikely that all of the young players I mentioned will flourish this season all at once, but you never know....

[rustybadcock]

With the rumour that surfaced over the last few days about Schneider being on Gillis' radar, it got me thinking about another possibility.

What about Bieksa for Scott Niedermayer?

We know Burke loves Bieksa, going back to the knuckle sandwhich Bieksa gave Fedor Federov while they were both in Manitoba.

If the deal were Bieksa for Schneider, the Ducks wouldn't get all of the cap relief they need. Bieksa's cap hit is 3.75 while Schneider's is 5.625. That only saves the Ducks 1.875 million, and they are 3.235 over the cap. If it were Neidermayer coming the other way, it cuts 3 mil off the cap for Burke.

We know Neidermayer was seriously consider playing 'at home' coming out of the lockout.

If the deal also included Rob Neidermayer, with the Canucks sending a draft pick, prospect, or inexpensive roster player to the Ducks, Anaheim would be under the cap.

Remember, both Niedermayers are UFA's after this season. With the strong possibilty that Scott, Schneider and O'Donnell will all retire next summer, the Ducks should be desperate to add a young defenseman.

Bieksa and Burrows for Scott and Rob Niedermayer?

With that deal, the Canucks would still have the cap space too add Mark Parrish at the right money, say 2 mil per.

Daniel / Henrik / Bernier
Raymond / Kesler / Demitra
Pyatt / Niedermayer / Parrish
Hordichuk / Johnson / Pettinger
Wellwood, Cowan

or

Daniel / Henrik / Bernier
Raymond / Wellwood / Demitra
Parrish / Kesler / Niedermayer
Hordichuk / Johnson / Pyatt
Pettinger, Cowan

with

Niedermayer / Mitchell
Ohlund / Edler
Salo / Krajicek
Davison, Baumgartner

Here is another excellent article written by Gage at hockeybuzz.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=16592

Sums it up pretty well for me.

Just imagine for a second where this team will be next summer if Raymond, Bernier, Wellwood, Edler, Hansen, Grabner and Hodgson are all on the roster and producing to potential.

Or for that matter, the position they will be in going in to the trade deadline with the Sedins being expendable.

It's a roll of the dice, for sure, and highly unlikely that all of the young players I mentioned will flourish this season all at once, but you never know....

I enjoyed the blog. Makes sense. I've accepted what this year might be already and I don't mind a team "transitioning" when there is effort. I've always been about that and last year and in recent years I think there have been moments when the leadership on this team has had a dogged effort. That pisses me off.

His points on Kozlov are well taken. He makes a good argument. And in the end, we both know that this team today is likely what will march forward. I am not sure I am totally against that. We've talked in the past regarding V's ability to get the best out of young players. I think this team is going to be tougher to play against this year. I think that's a good place to start from, a balance of Mike Brown's and Twins....And I've got a real warm and fuzzy feeling about Bernier. I think what I am getting at is this team is potentially better than what most are giving any credence to. To some the season's a wash and camp hasn't opened. It's always doom in gloom in Canuckfanland it seems. I'd take a team of people with excellent attitudes who play for one another anytime over a team of names. Name brand teams rarely win it all and if you look around the league at teams like Detroit, Anaheim, San Jose and Dallas they've all got young people who've stepped in and made a "name" for themselves. Sure, our youth arn't sexy like Perry or Getzlaf but I feel confident in Raymond, Bernier and Wellwood. Sorry but I'm waiting until later before I jump on the hater bandwagon many seem to be riding regarding Kyle. I've personally seen this kid play and he's got something and now he's got himself something to prove. He's talented and he apprenticed under Mats sooo.....that's more then Henrik can say. Who'd he apprentice under? Mo...! Good gawd!

I expect to see Hansen given a shot but really, the team's going to center around the Twins, Mitchell, Kesler, Burrows and Luongo. Maybe Bieksa if he's not moved. I am fine with that. I can also see Hordichuck becoming a fan fav very quickly which should also bring a new found confidence to Cowan. I know many people would like to see him under the rock slide on the sea to sky but lets face it, he too suffered the wrath of the injury curse so many on our team faced. He's a solid energy guy who's been through it all in this league and right about now, with the retirement of Linden and the loss of Mo and Nazzy this team will need the presence of lone rangers like him. And like I said, Hordi and Cowan backing each other up on one line should make intimidation of this line up more challenging. At least that's what I would like to see, I'd love to see a tough, heavy forechecking team that hits a lot and fights just as much. I'd like to see this team get mean, real mean. No more Matt Cookes to start fights nobody on the team wants to finish. I mean really hard hitting forechecking and let the Twins and the Demitra and Raymond's and Wellwood's do their thing. I hate when coaching staffs ask players to play outside their role and sometimes in recent years I think that might have been the case. One thing I am sure of is if there is opportunity for someone(S) to make their mark there will be effort. And solid, well directed effort backed by a solid D and world class goaltending can take a team a long way.

They're gonna be fine as they stand. At this point if Sundin walks from the table I'd seriously consider Shanny. I mean, they're gonna need a little more leadership in this line up and who better really? One year deal With bonuses for goal totals. That's my plan B...if I were GM. ;)

[gordphish]

I enjoyed the blog. Makes sense. I've accepted what this year might be already and I don't mind a team "transitioning" when there is effort. I've always been about that and last year and in recent years I think there have been moments when the leadership on this team has had a dogged effort. That pisses me off.

His points on Kozlov are well taken. He makes a good argument. And in the end, we both know that this team today is likely what will march forward. I am not sure I am totally against that. We've talked in the past regarding V's ability to get the best out of young players. I think this team is going to be tougher to play against this year. I think that's a good place to start from, a balance of Mike Brown's and Twins....And I've got a real warm and fuzzy feeling about Bernier. I think what I am getting at is this team is potentially better than what most are giving any credence to. To some the season's a wash and camp hasn't opened. It's always doom in gloom in Canuckfanland it seems. I'd take a team of people with excellent attitudes who play for one another anytime over a team of names. Name brand teams rarely win it all and if you look around the league at teams like Detroit, Anaheim, San Jose and Dallas they've all got young people who've stepped in and made a "name" for themselves. Sure, our youth arn't sexy like Perry or Getzlaf but I feel confident in Raymond, Bernier and Wellwood. Sorry but I'm waiting until later before I jump on the hater bandwagon many seem to be riding regarding Kyle. I've personally seen this kid play and he's got something and now he's got himself something to prove. He's talented and he apprenticed under Mats sooo.....that's more then Henrik can say. Who'd he apprentice under? Mo...! Good gawd!

I expect to see Hansen given a shot but really, the team's going to center around the Twins, Mitchell, Kesler, Burrows and Luongo. Maybe Bieksa if he's not moved. I am fine with that. I can also see Hordichuck becoming a fan fav very quickly which should also bring a new found confidence to Cowan. I know many people would like to see him under the rock slide on the sea to sky but lets face it, he too suffered the wrath of the injury curse so many on our team faced. He's a solid energy guy who's been through it all in this league and right about now, with the retirement of Linden and the loss of Mo and Nazzy this team will need the presence of lone rangers like him. And like I said, Hordi and Cowan backing each other up on one line should make intimidation of this line up more challenging. At least that's what I would like to see, I'd love to see a tough, heavy forechecking team that hits a lot and fights just as much. I'd like to see this team get mean, real mean. No more Matt Cookes to start fights nobody on the team wants to finish. I mean really hard hitting forechecking and let the Twins and the Demitra and Raymond's and Wellwood's do their thing. I hate when coaching staffs ask players to play outside their role and sometimes in recent years I think that might have been the case. One thing I am sure of is if there is opportunity for someone(S) to make their mark there will be effort. And solid, well directed effort backed by a solid D and world class goaltending can take a team a long way.

They're gonna be fine as they stand. At this point if Sundin walks from the table I'd seriously consider Shanny. I mean, they're gonna need a little more leadership in this line up and who better really? One year deal With bonuses for goal totals. That's my plan B...if I were GM. ;)

Leadership, yes. One of the reasons I'd be high on bringing the Niedermayers in here right now, even if it's only for the short term and they don't win a Cup with them before they retire. Their positive influence on Vancouver's youth could last a long, long time.

There are certain intangibles that come with youth that can be a huge benefit here in Vancouver. One is universal, and that's the effort you'll get from them. They're all looking to establish themselves in the NHL and will compete hard to stay on the roster.

The other is specific to Vancouver and their travel demands. We all tend to have more energy and be more durable when we're 18 to 25 than we are when we're 30 to 38. This team could really benefit from that energy.

There are a number of examples lately where young teams have found immediate success, if not always in the playoffs, at least enough regular season success to build on if it's done properly. Tampa Bay, Buffalo, San Jose and Philadlephia all fit the bill. As the Sharks are finally learning, you do eventually have to sprinkle that lineup with the right vets who have been through the wars and the made it to the top of the mountain before. But for right now, I think it's high time that this team start making spots available for their youth.

Dave Gagne seems to think that Hodgson can at least compete for a spot this camp, Hansen would have made the team last October had he not got hurt, and Raymond, Kesler and Edler are all capable of improving offensively. Anything from Wellwood would be a bonus IMO.

If Sundin opts not to sign here, I think it might just be better to take Gage's approach and stop-gap the middle with a guy like Kozlov that can be moved to the wing should Hodgson make the team. I'd still really like to see them find a way to get that dominant number one D-man that can get the PP hitting on all cylinders most nights. As we saw in Montreal last season, a strong powerplay can cover up a lot of warts. Strong special teams combined with Luongo and a healthy year from the defense should at least put us in playoff contention.

[TimmyTabasco]

Niedermayer won't be moved, especially to Vancouver. Its just not realistic. They are a team built around Scott Niedermayer

[rustybadcock]

Leadership, yes. One of the reasons I'd be high on bringing the Niedermayers in here right now, even if it's only for the short term and they don't win a Cup with them before they retire. Their positive influence on Vancouver's youth could last a long, long time.

Oh I agree and this is why I was so high on the hog where Sundin was concerned. I felt his mentoring of Henrik would be invaluable.

There are certain intangibles that come with youth that can be a huge benefit here in Vancouver. One is universal, and that's the effort you'll get from them. They're all looking to establish themselves in the NHL and will compete hard to stay on the roster.

Agreed, however, they need a vet to pull them out of the bar before it closes. :laughing:

The other is specific to Vancouver and their travel demands. We all tend to have more energy and be more durable when we're 18 to 25 than we are when we're 30 to 38. This team could really benefit from that energy.

Ain't that the truth...:( :no: :slant: :cry: :nod:

There are a number of examples lately where young teams have found immediate success, if not always in the playoffs, at least enough regular season success to build on if it's done properly. Tampa Bay, Buffalo, San Jose and Philadlephia all fit the bill. As the Sharks are finally learning, you do eventually have to sprinkle that lineup with the right vets who have been through the wars and the made it to the top of the mountain before. But for right now, I think it's high time that this team start making spots available for their youth.

Yes, tis why I suggest Shanny now and before. He'd sorta be like our Roenick but better. More points and the courage to fight guys like Brashear.

Dave Gagne seems to think that Hodgson can at least compete for a spot this camp, Hansen would have made the team last October had he not got hurt, and Raymond, Kesler and Edler are all capable of improving offensively. Anything from Wellwood would be a bonus IMO.

Yeah I am hearing more and more about Hodgson, the fatherinlaw told me this last night. He's apparently a carbon copy of Sam Gagne....I like the sounds of that!

If Sundin opts not to sign here, I think it might just be better to take Gage's approach and stop-gap the middle with a guy like Kozlov that can be moved to the wing should Hodgson make the team. I'd still really like to see them find a way to get that dominant number one D-man that can get the PP hitting on all cylinders most nights. As we saw in Montreal last season, a strong powerplay can cover up a lot of warts. Strong special teams combined with Luongo and a healthy year from the defense should at least put us in playoff contention.

Yes I think this team is in better shape then what is being projected. For sure. I mean, really when you look at it the back end is almost the same as it was two years ago when things went well. And now the front end might have a different face but with last years results permaburned in my mind I don't mind a bit of a dice roll especially since there are ways to tweak things as the season moves on.

RB

[gordphish]

Yes I think this team is in better shape then what is being projected. For sure. I mean, really when you look at it the back end is almost the same as it was two years ago when things went well. And now the front end might have a different face but with last years results permaburned in my mind I don't mind a bit of a dice roll especially since there are ways to tweak things as the season moves on.

RB

And if this team had of had any leadership, they still could have won the division and salvaged a frustrating season with a strong push over the last 10 games.

Although, had they not just put their tails between their legs and quit on everyone, Nonis might still be GM, so...

The fact is, all they need to make the playoffs is to get a relatively healthy season out of their D and have Luongo be on top of his game. Where they go from there might just depend on what position they are in at the trade deadline.

I look at the weeks leading up to the deadline like a giant poker game. Your GM has to know when to fold, when check, and when to tighten his guts and go all in. I think, and I could very well be wrong on this, that Gillis will be a lot better when the flop drops than Nonis or Burke ever were.

About the trade yesterday...

Not good news for Gillis. Tampa overpaid big time in what they gave the Sens. A roster defenseman, a top prospect and a first round pick? I'd have expected that for Bouwmeester, but for Mezsaros? If that sets the bar for the deals over the next few weeks, we're in trouble.

Timmy, I think if you really contemplated all aspects of my proposed deal, you'd see that it makes a lot of sense.

1) Whether he retires after this year or not, Niedermayer will not be Duck after this season. Not unless he takes a huge paycut. All things considered, I wouldn't say the Ducks are built around Niedermayer anymore. They are built around Getzlaf, Perry and Pronger.

2) The Ducks need to shed about 5 million off their payroll, but if they deal Nieds or Schneider, they'll need to pick up a quality young defenseman in the process. IMO, Burke won't get that for Schneider. I wouldn't give up Bieksa for Schneider, would you? Bear in mind that Schneider is 39 years old and hasn't played more than 80 games in a season since the 99-00 campaign. And as I mentioned, Schneider for Bieksa doesn't give the Ducks the cap relief they are looking for.

3) Burke loves Bieksa, and he fits the style that Burke and Carlyle have brought to Anaheim to a tee. Burke would get a blueliner who's cap hit is locked in at 3.75 million for the next 3 years, extremely valuable to a GM that is having all sorts of problems getting under the cap.

4) We know Niedermayer is not like Kariya or Sakic and would welcome the chance to finish his career at home. Niedermayer is a BC boy and damn proud of it.

So if you don't like the previous deal, how about both Niedermayers for Bieksa, Hansen and our 09 first round pick? The next few drafts are expected to be a lot weaker than what we've seen so far this decade, so that pick's value isn't as high as it might be in other years. And we know that Nonis is gaga for Hansen.

[TimmyTabasco]

Kozlov is an alright idea. He has had a couple of decent seasons. Good size, R shot for the PP. On the Isle he had more icetime, and responsibility..and peformed quite well. Similar to what would be asked of him in Vancouver

Lang is another name, very similar player..

[rustybadcock]

And if this team had of had any leadership, they still could have won the division and salvaged a frustrating season with a strong push over the last 10 games.

Exactly, this is why I feel we're actually in better shape today. Naslund was a poor influence IMO towards the end of his tenure. IMO you could really see a divide on this bench as the season hit the 60 game mark. That's trouble and I confess, I tried to hide it from my own eyes. This is why I am not crazy about the Lang's and the Kozlov's....(sorry Timmy) are these team guys? I don't really know to be fair. However I think Shanahan's track record speaks for itself. He's the kind of guy who will keep the Avery's and the Dustin Browns minding their manners on shear reputation alone. Kozlov's gonna get his head taken off by both and for my money we've got enough of that for now. You take Wellwood (or any center really) and center him with Shanny on one side and Bernier on the other in a barn burner of a game and you'll have a line that can really offset the pending stupidity of such players like I mentioned above in Brown and Avery. You'll also have a line that can not only send a message (keeping in mind that Wellwood would obviously not be showing any grit he's only there to balance out two capable scorers. You get my drift I hope. Regardless, I think a proven winner needs to anchor this teams leadership. It's essential and for three mil I see no reason why Shanny wouldn't want to come to lotus land. And to be honest, I'd pay more. ;)

Although, had they not just put their tails between their legs and quit on everyone, Nonis might still be GM, so...

The fact is, all they need to make the playoffs is to get a relatively healthy season out of their D and have Luongo be on top of his game. Where they go from there might just depend on what position they are in at the trade deadline.

And you know something, it's time for Luo to simply be the best goalie out there. It's time. Not 6th not 3rd....1st! Cause you said something earlier that really rung home with me, you said that many teams are running with younger goalies and it's working. Scneider's the real deal man and I think we'll see him take another step yet this year in Manitoba. So much so me and the Mrs. are talking 11 game pack.

I look at the weeks leading up to the deadline like a giant poker game. Your GM has to know when to fold, when check, and when to tighten his guts and go all in. I think, and I could v