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Chris Simon - Islanders.
2 handed chop right to the throat. Clear as day. Match penalty and cost his team the game.
There no video on the web yet because it just happened, but when it comes out... watch the force Simon uses in his motion - and forget that Hollweg wasn't seriously injured and think what could have happened.
I predict at least a 10 games suspension. Anything less will be a joke.
Here's a link...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ht6RyAI9370
That's just disgusting. Simon could quite literally have killed Hollweg if he had caught him direcly in the throat. He should be gone for at least the rest of the season.
Somebody brought this up at another site, this happened 3 years to the day of the Bertuzzi incident. March 8th is not a good day for the NHL...
swflyers25
3-09-07, 9:52 AM
If it was anyone else besides Hollweg, I would have some sympathy. I just can't seem to muster up any with him.
If it was anyone else besides Hollweg, I would have some sympathy. I just can't seem to muster up any with him.
If you can't disprove that "high stick" then you have problems. I don't care who the recipient is.
PS - moving this out to general forum as it involves more than one team.
Yeah I am moving my own thread. :conspire: :shrug:
swflyers25
3-09-07, 11:11 AM
Disprove it? He probably deserved it, looked like he put Simon into the boards on a questionable hit before this happened.
KB in Kelowna
3-09-07, 12:57 PM
Ironic that 3 years after the Bertuzzi -Moore incident another example of on ice violence is what has everyon'e attention, instead of the great play off races and the jockeying for postion in the standings. Chris Simon made a bad decision. The league really needs to send a message, of course it won't, and Simon will get 5 games.
swflyers25
3-09-07, 1:43 PM
He'll get booted for the rest of the season and the playoffs if the Fishsticks make it.
He probably deserved it, looked like he put Simon into the boards on a questionable hit before this happened.
Yeah I've seen a tiny percent of people around the web attempting to justify this action. :rolleyes:
That's pretty funny and sad at the same time.
Chris Simon has been suspended indefinitely.
Thankfully you are not running the NHL... or else all rulings would be based on which player was more of an enemy to the Flyers, and nothing else.
KB in Kelowna
3-09-07, 4:12 PM
Yeah I've seen a tiny percent of people around the web attempting to justify this action. :rolleyes:
That's pretty funny and sad at the same time.
Chris Simon has been suspended indefinitely.
Thankfully you are not running the NHL... or else all rulings would be based on which player was more of an enemy to the Flyers, and nothing else.
Well said. This crap that a player deserved it, or that getting back is part of "the Code" is also crap. The NHL needs to hand out suspensions for intent to injure, for head shots and hits from behind. It also needs to enforce uniform and equipement rules. Alot of the injuries and ugly incidents could be reduced, by meaningful and consistent enforcement, and application of the rules. It should not matter if the player on the receiveing end gets up on his own or is carried off the ice. Penalize the action not the result. People only get up in arms if the incident either creates and injury or makes the US Cable News/Sports shows. Of course people have been saying this for years.
Personally, I don't like Ryan Hollweg. I think he plays borderline dirty at times. But that doesn't mean he "deserves" to be slashed by a madman like he's chopping wood. What Simon did is just sickening, and I can't believe anybody would even attempt to defend his actions. I guess by that same logic, Brashear and Moore also "deserved" what happened to them.:rolleyes:
The Insider
3-09-07, 6:23 PM
This needs to be at least 20 games and if the Isles make the playoffs(which it looks as if they will) he should not be available for the entire post season, IMHO. Regardless of who it is he hit, this is the type of thing that is unacceptable and just because Hollweg wasn't stretchered out like Moore was, does not mean he should get any kind of discount on his suspension. I mean do these guys not stop and think what it is they are doing???
Just a very bonehead play and now Simon can join the hockey hall of shame along with Bertuzzi, Perezhogin and McSorely.
BTW just want to point out a personal milestone, this will be my 1000 post and I know it may not seem like much to some, but in my 5+ years on about 6 different fan forums I have never reached 1000 posts on one site until now.
This needs to be at least 20 games and if the Isles make the playoffs(which it looks as if they will) he should not be available for the entire post season, IMHO. Regardless of who it is he hit, this is the type of thing that is unacceptable and just because Hollweg wasn't stretchered out like Moore was, does not mean he should get any kind of discount on his suspension. I mean do these guys not stop and think what it is they are doing???
Just a very bonehead play and now Simon can join the hockey hall of shame along with Bertuzzi, Perezhogin and McSorely.
BTW just want to point out a personal milestone, this will be my 1000 post and I know it may not seem like much to some, but in my 5+ years on about 6 different fan forums I have never reached 1000 posts on one site until now.
LOL congrats Mike :thumb:
charlio lemieux
3-09-07, 7:38 PM
I put it in this context.
The slash was about 3-5 times worse than Emery's slash to a players head and about 3-5 times worse than Janssen's cheapshot on Kaberle. In that light 9-15 games should be a worthy penalty.
Now if Campbell had actually handed out a decent punishment to other players like 5-7 games to Emery and Janssen, and atleast a few games to Ovechkin for his hit on Briere then it would be easy to suspend Simon for this year, the playoffs and perhaps even 10-20 games into next year, which he probably deserves. But with the lax penalties handed down so far I just feel it is unfair to suspend Simon for more than the remainder of the regular season, which is about 15 games.
Throughout the entire Bertuzzi/Moore incident, I believe I refrained from mentioning Moore's career and lack of NHL experience but I did mention Moore's hit on Naslund which some on another site called legal while I and others deemed illegal. Never did I call Bertuzzi's actions justifiable but I did say that Moore's hit on Naslund was the cause. I didn't bring Moore's character into the incident because blaming the victim for something as sick and disgusting, is frankly unconscionable and doesn't speak too highly of the person saying it.
Regarding the Simon slash on Hollweg' both players are known for their toughness and both have been seen as dirty players but who the victim or offender is shouldn't matter, even if the player is a 4th or 1st liner, what Simon did to Hollweg is disgusting.
Other players interviewed have said that it was a heat of the moment thing and Simon did really mean it. 99.9% of NHL players and leagues below the NHL have become heated at points during games but don't slash another player in the throat. That's not a justifiable defense.
This is now in the hands of Colin Campbell, not exactly the most black and white of disciplinarian, with different penalties for nearly every incident. I think that Hollweg's quick recovery and ability to play this weekend, will have an effect on Simon's suspension but I would hope that Bertuzzi's suspension sets the bar.
Campbell wanted to send a message with Bertuzzi's suspension, and Bertuzzi was gone for the rest of the season. The lockout occurred and Bertuzzi was not allowed to play in Europe. Campbell, when allowing Bertuzzi back into the league, said that that lockout year counted in Bertuzzi's suspension. So if Campbell says that 17 months was enough for Bertuzzi, Simon should get a similar sentence.
Do I think this will happen? Heck no but Campbell brought it up and said that Bertuzzi had suffered enough with 17 months off. Campbell will pull a Bettman and come up with a new sentence, probably the rest of the regular season with a revision before the playoffs. If the Islanders miss the playoffs, Campbell will announce that Simon can't play in the playoffs which will be meaningless but will look like Campbell is sending a message.
Frankly I'm incredibly concerned with the way Campbell is running the discipline department. I'm watching Pratt & Taylor on Sportsnet and Pratt just mentioned that the only time major suspensions have occurred is when the US media covers the worst incidents. McSorley, Bertuzzi and now Simon have been plastered all over the US airways after their stupid acts. It's only then that the NHL gives out the big suspensions to send the message. But if things like Kaberle getting hit aren't the top story on US news, Campbell gives out pitiful suspensions. It's a disgrace.
the hearing is today tea so we won't have to wait long to find out what happens.
Personally I hope Simon just gets a deserved lengthy suspension and this whole thing goes away and we get back to talking about playoff races. And the New York sports talk radio guys go back to ignoring hockey.
What I DON'T want to see is some attention-starved DA's office pull this into court rooms.
My prediction is that Simon gets the rest of this season off, including playoffs if applicable. And the NHL pencils in a review prior to next season (after the heat has blown over and memory has faded). And the memory on this one will fade fast because Hollweg suffered no injury - so there's less for the media vultures to sink their teeth into.
Disprove it? He probably deserved it, looked like he put Simon into the boards on a questionable hit before this happened.
No one deserves that, not even Darcy Tucker... well let me think... :D
Seriously though, I can't beleive that anyone would say something like this. And then we wonder what's wrong with our society? :eek:
It was as bad as the McSorley hit. I wouldn't say worst or lesser, he was at least facing the guy, but what the hell is wrong with players now days? I always loved Simon but I'm hoping that the league throws the book at him. No excuse.
Throughout the entire Bertuzzi/Moore incident, I believe I refrained from mentioning Moore's career and lack of NHL experience but I did mention Moore's hit on Naslund which some on another site called legal while I and others deemed illegal. Never did I call Bertuzzi's actions justifiable but I did say that Moore's hit on Naslund was the cause. I didn't bring Moore's character into the incident because blaming the victim for something as sick and disgusting, is frankly unconscionable and doesn't speak too highly of the person saying it.
Regarding the Simon slash on Hollweg' both players are known for their toughness and both have been seen as dirty players but who the victim or offender is shouldn't matter, even if the player is a 4th or 1st liner, what Simon did to Hollweg is disgusting.
Other players interviewed have said that it was a heat of the moment thing and Simon did really mean it. 99.9% of NHL players and leagues below the NHL have become heated at points during games but don't slash another player in the throat. That's not a justifiable defense.
This is now in the hands of Colin Campbell, not exactly the most black and white of disciplinarian, with different penalties for nearly every incident. I think that Hollweg's quick recovery and ability to play this weekend, will have an effect on Simon's suspension but I would hope that Bertuzzi's suspension sets the bar.
Campbell wanted to send a message with Bertuzzi's suspension, and Bertuzzi was gone for the rest of the season. The lockout occurred and Bertuzzi was not allowed to play in Europe. Campbell, when allowing Bertuzzi back into the league, said that that lockout year counted in Bertuzzi's suspension. So if Campbell says that 17 months was enough for Bertuzzi, Simon should get a similar sentence.
Do I think this will happen? Heck no but Campbell brought it up and said that Bertuzzi had suffered enough with 17 months off. Campbell will pull a Bettman and come up with a new sentence, probably the rest of the regular season with a revision before the playoffs. If the Islanders miss the playoffs, Campbell will announce that Simon can't play in the playoffs which will be meaningless but will look like Campbell is sending a message.
Frankly I'm incredibly concerned with the way Campbell is running the discipline department. I'm watching Pratt & Taylor on Sportsnet and Pratt just mentioned that the only time major suspensions have occurred is when the US media covers the worst incidents. McSorley, Bertuzzi and now Simon have been plastered all over the US airways after their stupid acts. It's only then that the NHL gives out the big suspensions to send the message. But if things like Kaberle getting hit aren't the top story on US news, Campbell gives out pitiful suspensions. It's a disgrace.
Not to go backwards in time, (If I really could, I'd go back to May of 67 as an adult) had the lockout not took place, does Bertuzzi miss the entire next season? I doubt it. He got lucky. As for Moores hit on Naslund, it was illegal, for which he was assessed a penalty. It doesn't imo hold up to the stink test that it was an intent to injure, nor was it premeditated.
Bertuzzi planed and executed that plan, and he gave Moore his own version of a lifetime ban.
Which brings me back to the present, a very strong message needs to be sent, and I think this is the opportunity that was missed with Bertuzzi.
A life time ban
Anyway back to the future. "Mats!! if I can ever get this flux capacitor to function, I might be able to get you and the leafs to win the cup this year!!!"
KB in Kelowna
3-11-07, 12:50 PM
Actually Moore was not assessed any penalty for the Naslund hit. The NHL could have assessed an after the game suspension, but they didn't or don't, the NBA does. It might have diffused that situation. Instead it festered with talk in some circles that the Canucks were a soft team for not standing up for thier captain, and that Moore must pay becasue he broke the code.
I keep hearing about this thing called "the Code". Frankly I am not sure what that is anymore. players do not respect each other. The NHL has consistently shown that it reacts to the outcome of a hit, as played on US TV highlite packages, rather than the initial hit. Consitent suspensions might work, I suspect that the legal authorities might step and it will be somebody serving jail time that serves as the wake up call.
As of this morning Simon is gone for the season and playoffs, or this season and part of the next if the Islanders miss the playoffs again.
Why did I think that he was assesed a penalty? Thanks for clearing me foggy brain.
Actually Moore was not assessed any penalty for the Naslund hit. The NHL could have assessed an after the game suspension, but they didn't or don't, the NBA does. It might have diffused that situation. Instead it festered with talk in some circles that the Canucks were a soft team for not standing up for thier captain, and that Moore must pay becasue he broke the code.
I keep hearing about this thing called "the Code". Frankly I am not sure what that is anymore. players do not respect each other. The NHL has consistently shown that it reacts to the outcome of a hit, as played on US TV highlite packages, rather than the initial hit. Consitent suspensions might work, I suspect that the legal authorities might step and it will be somebody serving jail time that serves as the wake up call.
As of this morning Simon is gone for the season and playoffs, or this season and part of the next if the Islanders miss the playoffs again.
The same with the Domi vs Neidermayer situation too if only the league had the balls to suspend Niedermayer like they should have then perhaps that whole situation could have been diffused too!
Hollweg deserved a beating for what he did and not a stick to the face.Perhaps with no instigator rule Simon would have reacted differently but I don't think so.This is Simons 3rd major stick infraction and his last pitiful suspension for 2 games for 2 crosschecks to the head of Ruslan Fedetenko was a joke and Simon got off lightly.The point I'm making is that Simon is a repeat offender who will never learn and therefore should be kicked out of the NHL permanently.I know this sounds harsh but this guy has had enough chances.
Cheers
Iced Tea
3-11-07, 10:31 PM
Simon suspended for season and playoffs
TSN.ca Staff
3/11/2007 2:37:26 PM
New York Islanders forward Chris Simon has been suspended for the remainder of the 2006-07 regular season and the entirety of the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Simon is suspended a minimum of 25 games, including Saturday night's game against Washington plus the 14 that remain in the 2006-07 regular season. If the Islanders do not qualify for the 2007 playoffs, or play fewer than 10 playoff games in the 2007 playoffs, Simon would serve additional games at the start of the 2007-08 regular season to satisfy the minimum term of the suspension.
Simon was suspended indefinitely after he hit New York Rangers' Ryan Hollweg with a stick swing to the face on Thursday night. The Ranger forward needed stitches but was not seriously hurt.
Colin Campbell met with Simon early Saturday to discuss the incident.
''The National Hockey League will not accept the use of a stick in the manner and fashion in which Mr. Simon used his Thursday night,'' said Colin Campbell, NHL Senior Executive Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations. ''As a consequence of his actions, Mr. Simon has forfeited the privilege of playing in an NHL game again this season, regardless of how many games the Islanders ultimately play.''
The Islander forward expressed remorse for his actions in a statement on Saturday, "after watching the tape the morning after Thursday's game, I was disgusted. There is absolutely no place in hockey for what I did."
"I want to apologize to my team and Islanders fans everywhere. My actions Thursday night played a major part in our team losing a crucial game. I also want to apologize to the National Hockey League for the damage I have caused this great game of ours."
The 35-year-old Simon has 10 goals with 17 assist and 75 minutes in penalties over his 67 games this season.
Simon has spent 14 seasons in the NHL and has complied 1765 penalty minutes over that span. He has been suspended five times for various infractions over his career.
"Chris Simon has played a major role in our success this season and we will miss his presence in our lineup," said Islanders general manager Garth Snow. "His regret is clearly evident in the statement he released last night. Our entire organization supports Chris every step of the way."
Based on his $1-million contract, which expires at the conclusion of the 2006-07 season, Simon forfeits a minimum of $80,213.90. The money goes to the Players' Emergency Assistance Fund.http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=199699&hubname=
The suspension seems in line with the past; not sure if that's a good thing.
Iced Tea
3-12-07, 10:17 PM
Nolan: Simon suspension too harsh
Canadian Press
3/12/2007 7:48:08 PM
UNIONDALE, N.Y. (CP) - New York Islanders head coach Ted Nolan says the NHL's 25-game suspension of winger Chris Simon was too harsh.
"To take away the rest of his regular season would have been plenty enough," Nolan told newyorkislanders.com Monday. "But to say he can't be part of the team for the Stanley Cup playoffs does not seem fair."
Nolan, who also coached Simon with the OHL's Soo Greyhounds, said he wasn't defending Simon's two-handed chop to the face of New York Rangers forward Ryan Hollweg, but said something wasn't right with Simon. The rugged Islanders winger suffered a concussion after being hit by Hollweg into the glass just before the incident.
"I've known Chris since he was a teenager," Nolan said. "He doesn't take out personal vendettas when it's 1-1 with six minutes left in the biggest game of the season against our biggest rival. That's just not the player or person he is.
"I was thinking (the suspension) would be 12 games. This way Chris would be out for the last two games we have against the Rangers at the Coliseum. Maybe the rest of the regular season. But not beyond that."
Nolan said Simon was devastated.
"He knows what he did was wrong and we're all happy the other player (Hollweg) was not injured and returned to the game," said Nolan. "Chris is going to need some time, but when he's ready he'll still be a part of our team. As I said, Chris was very proud to be an Islander this season and he is a very important player for us. He made a mistake, but everyone who cares about this franchise is going to be there for him."
The Islanders play at Montreal on Tuesday but don't expect to hear Nolan address the suspension.
"I'll tell you what: this is the last we're talking about it," he said. "The media was here today and we addressed this issue. But this is not going to continue in Canada tomorrow and for the rest of the trip. It's over today. From now on in, our responsibility is to rally around Chris and win as many games as we can." http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=199876&hubname=
this is the last we're talking about it
Thats' about the best quote I've read from Nolan about this whole thing.
He already made reference to Hollweg lying down like he was dead. Looked to me like he was back on his feet in about 2 minutes and to the best of my knowledge nobody from the Rangers organization has done any whining or complaining.
Time for them to move on now and stop sniffeling about it.
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