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Madferret
2-28-07, 1:19 PM
Muckler: Price for Roberts too high
Sources say Sens wouldn't part with prospect, No. 1 pick
By Bruce Garrioch

RALEIGH, N.C. -- The Senators didn't get their man at yesterday's NHL trade deadline.

Instead, they settled for Phoenix winger Oleg Saprykin.

The guy the Senators really wanted before they turned to 'Plan B' was Panthers winger Gary Roberts, but in the middle of the night he came to his senses and accepted a deal to the Penguins.

But sources say the experience of trying to acquire Roberts left Senators GM John Muckler upset because nobody is sure if Florida coach and GM Jacques Martin and assistant GM Randy Sexton were bargaining in good faith.

There's a strong feeling that Martin didn't really want to help his old employer get the one player who might put it over the top in a run to the Stanley Cup. Let's not forget, it was Muckler who summoned Martin to his office after an ugly playoff defeat to the Maple Leafs in 2003 and sent him packing.

The Senators aren't the only ones feeling used. Sources say Maple Leafs GM John Ferguson isn't pleased that he got left out in the cold by the Panthers in the Roberts sweepstakes.

"Never hold a grudge," Muckler said from Ottawa. "These were straight negotiations and it didn't work out."

The Senators and Leafs had both held talks with the Panthers about Roberts in the last couple of months. Toronto had only mild interest up until about 48 hours ago.

Roberts informed Martin last month that he would only waive his no-trade clause to be moved to either Toronto or Ottawa and wanted a contract extension. The Panthers agreed to try and fulfil his wishes, but made no guarantees.

Roberts wanted to be closer to his daughter, who is attending high school near Toronto.

Sources say the Panthers made it clear to the Senators they wanted either winger Patrick Eaves or Antoine Vermette, along with a No. 1 pick for Roberts. Muckler told Florida to go fly a kite.

So when word trickled out around 1 p.m. Monday that the Penguins had worked out a deal for Roberts, it didn't come as a surprise to the Senators or Leafs.

It also didn't stun either team that Roberts was hedging about waiving his no-trade clause to accept the deal to Pittsburgh.

With the trade to Pittsburgh looking iffy, sources say the Senators and Leafs both received phone calls from Sexton late Monday saying there was a strong chance Roberts wouldn't accept the deal to Pittsburgh. If that was the case, the Panthers wanted to know what Ottawa and Toronto were willing to offer.

It's believed the Panthers changed their demands, but not dramatically. Sources say Florida wanted Russian centre Ilja Zubov and a No. 1 pick from Ottawa for Roberts, while the Leafs upped the ante by offering either defenceman Staffan Kronwall or Brendan Bell, along with a second- and fourth-round draft pick.

The Senators weren't willing to pay that price for a rental player, but sources say Muckler wanted more time to make a counter-offer. The Leafs' Ferguson was of Muckler's mind set, sources say. The word is Sexton was demanding an immediate answer.

Then, at 11:55 p.m., the Panthers informed the Senators and Leafs, they'd completed a deal with the Penguins to send Roberts to Pittsburgh for prospect defenceman Noah Welch.

"I got a call and we had to bow out," said Muckler.

So instead of suiting up alongside Jason Spezza and Dany Heatley, Roberts will be lining up with Pittsburgh's young stars Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin in the playoffs -- quite possibly against the Senators.

Now, Muckler is facing the wrath of Ottawa fans for not bringing in a proven playoff competitor. He has maintained he believes in this team. We'll find out in June if he's right. If he's wrong, we could know as early as April.

Darsehole Tucker
2-28-07, 2:46 PM
Can we sticky this and make it the 'get Muckler fired' thread?

If Saprykin scores the winning goal in the seventh game of the Stanley Cup finals, I'll eat my words.

THE HACK
2-28-07, 9:33 PM
Muckler and Ferguson did the right thing and it was so obvious that Jacque Martin didn't want to send him to Ottawa or Toronto because Martin is a SORE LOSER!I hope this prick rots in Florida and gets fired soon for his stupidity.Good luck to Gary in Pittsburgh!.

Cheers

Rusty
2-28-07, 10:17 PM
I really am not surprised at all.

Florida was asking for the moon only to attempt to drive the price up.

Man.Utd
2-28-07, 11:09 PM
Can we sticky this and make it the 'get Muckler fired' thread?

If Saprykin scores the winning goal in the seventh game of the Stanley Cup finals, I'll eat my words.

If we end up losing in the playoffs, I don't think we'll look back on it saying a 40 year old Gary Roberts could have been the difference. More than likely we'll just plain be outclassed, Emery will prove to still have some work to do as far as PLAYOFF hockey goes, or the defense will be exposed.

I'm happy Muckler passed on Roberts at that price. I love him as a player and as a former Ottawa 67. But he was a non-fact when we played Toronto in 2004. He's older and has even more miles on his back now - it's not the same player that took a Leaf team on his shoulders and drove them to victory on his own.

Darsehole Tucker
2-28-07, 11:18 PM
I'm happy Muckler passed on Roberts at that price. I love him as a player and as a former Ottawa 67. But he was a non-fact when we played Toronto in 2004. He's older and has even more miles on his back now - it's not the same player that took a Leaf team on his shoulders and drove them to victory on his own.

There are two reasons that I disagree with you. Firstly, you say 'that price.' Wasn't 'that price' a first rounder? In a weak draft year? I think we can afford that for a chance to go for it. Secondly, it's not so much what Roberts can bring on the ice, as it's about what he brings off the ice. He wouldn't throw off the chemistry in the locker room, he would stabilize and augment it.

If we get eliminated...if...I'll be rooting for the Pens, the kids will learn a lot from Roberts.

Man.Utd
2-28-07, 11:41 PM
I'm hearing Martin definatly wanted a roster player or a player who he felt could step in and contribute for the coming season. Florida probably feels Welch gives them the latter; it also helps he was recently hailed as a potential top-pairing defenseman. Some of the rumours were that one of Eaves or Vermette would have to be going to Florida for Gary. Maybe even a pick aswell. I wouldn't have paid that.

Even that rumoured 1st is too high form my liking. I'm just not high on Gary Roberts and am not sure if he'll be better than any of our current forwards come round 3 or 4 of the playoffs when his old body may start to wear down. Again, this is the same warrior type guy a somewhat soft Sens team made all but invisbile last time around. I can't see him being any better this post-season.


If we're going to give up a first, why not go a little further and put together bigger a package for one of Smyth or Guerin?

I can't argue the leadership but I'm not willing to pay a first rounder for that alone.

Madferret
3-01-07, 3:30 AM
Missed on both Smyth and Roberts...piss

Madferret
3-01-07, 2:41 PM
Mendes take on the Roberts non-deal (http://www2.sportsnet.ca/blogs/ian_mendes/2007/02/27/marching_over_roberts/#more)...

KB in Kelowna
3-04-07, 1:20 PM
Mendes take on the Roberts non-deal (http://www2.sportsnet.ca/blogs/ian_mendes/2007/02/27/marching_over_roberts/#more)...
The media over inflates the worth of a Toronto based player :eek: Next they'll be telling me that the Easter Bunny is a myth:pimp:

Max Power
3-05-07, 12:24 PM
To me this is simply going to play out two different ways. As of now the likeliness of Sens playing the Pens in the first round is high. Either Roberts plays a big role in another first round exit for the Sens or the Sens beat the Pens in the first round and we all sigh in relief. I fear option 1.
I understand that Roberts for a current young Sens roster player is high but at the same time who is sitting now for the trade we did get? Either way the one thing I would like to see the Sens do is sign Roberts in the off-season simply for his veteran presence