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Looks like one great deal and one terrible deal to me.
I don't understand how you can justify giving Brendan Morrow the exact same contract that was given to Ales Hemsky. Brendan Morrow is not going to get a lot better... he's 27 and his best season (playing with Mike Modano no less) is 81-23-65.
I understand he's a leader and all that. But... the hell?
Secondly, why on earth would Hamhuis sign for so long at such a low price? I can hear Dion's agent crying from here.
TimmyTabasco
9-21-06, 4:02 PM
Great deal for the Preds
Hamhuis (Smithers lad) is a very good defenseman, and will only get better
Its a shame he couldn't play for his hometown province :thumb:
Anyway, Preds looking great this season..and for many years to come
I'm a really big Morrow fan. He brings a lot to his game.
I think wrapping him up at 4 per is well worth it.
It's 4.4 per Mel.
Seems they overpaid him by about $1,000,000.
Proof? Ryan Smyth is making $3,500,00 in Edmonton. While Morrow is younger, Smyth is much better on the PP, and they're about evens at 5x5. They're both great leaders, and I'd argue Smyth means a lot more to his franchise as well.
Not to mention 6 years for a guy who's going not going to get any better is never a good idea.
I know what you're saying. But remember Morrow doesn't play for Edmonton he plays for Dallas... and he might be worth more to Dallas than other teams.
As you know there's more to the game than scoring, and Morrow brings the full package. He plays defense, he fights and sticks up for teammates, he leads, he hits AND he scores - he's no Jagr but he finds the net.
I guess I'm biased, but I've always admired Morrow's game. And I think he can get better. Maybe he won't but he has potential to be a top ten power forward in the NHL. There's no logical reason to think he'll stop improving as he has been steadily. That's just my HO and you disagree. That's cool.
4.4 might be too much for some teams... but Dallas is a money market, and they'll spend right up to the cap. Morrow has slowly become a huge presence in Dallas. They don't want to see him leave for a few 100K to some other team.
I still think they did the right thing.
I would also like to point out that in the "new" NHL, Morrow set career highs in points, +/-, and PIM.
Well, he might be worth more to Dallas than other teams... but that doesn't mean Dallas should pay him like that ;). Hey, Ryan Smyth is worth more to the Oilers than anyone else... but paying him $6,000,000 a year would still be a poor decision, right? Just like a certain team that's about 2 hours down the road did with a certain over-rated captain... *cough* ;).
He has a lot to his game - but I think he's a very good comparable to Ryan Smyth. They both play very similar games, Morrow is obviously more physical, but Smyth is better offensively (and likely defensively as well, but that's a lot harder to judge).
Mel, you do realize that he's 27 turning 28 in January? Go try and find me many players whose name isn't "Fernando Pisani" who become noticably better after they turn 27... it won't be a long list ;).
As for the new NHL.. almost everyone saw their scoring go up. He was still a 3.0 PPP/60 on the PP (despite Zubov and Modano - that takes talent to be that poor on the PP ;) ). I'd also throw out that he's entered his prime... what you see is going to be what you get with him (baring a major injury) for the next 6 years.
To me, that's not worth anything over $3,000,000, and I respect him as a player. I just think in the current NHL you can get a lot of very good defensive players for cheap (see: Radek Dvorak), so you're best to maximize that to it's full efficiency and blow your wad on something like goaltending (which Dallas did... they just picked an average guy to pay a lot of money) or an elite forward (Hossa, Thornton, etc.)
Think of it this way...
For the next season Dallas is spending 23.6% of it's cap on Marty Turco and Brendan Morrow, who are both making less than Zubov (4.0) and Modano (4.25) respectively.
If you throw in the cap hits for Modano and Zubov, their salary structure has them spending 40.5% of the cap on those 4 players.
That leaves $26,400,000 for the other 19 players.
Dallas could very well miss the playoffs this year.
charlio lemieux
9-21-06, 8:53 PM
Mel, you do realize that he's 27 turning 28 in January? Go try and find me many players whose name isn't "Fernando Pisani" who become noticably better after they turn 27... it won't be a long list .
Guerin
G. Courtnal
Huet
Roloson
Bertuzzi
Naslund
Just of the top of my head.
Newfie John
9-21-06, 9:16 PM
It's 4.4 per Mel.
Seems they overpaid him by about $1,000,000.
Proof? Ryan Smyth is making $3,500,00 in Edmonton. While Morrow is younger, Smyth is much better on the PP, and they're about evens at 5x5. They're both great leaders, and I'd argue Smyth means a lot more to his franchise as well.
Not to mention 6 years for a guy who's going not going to get any better is never a good idea.
No doubt that Smyth is better than Morrow, but some may argue Smyth is underpaid. I think 4.5 is certainly justifiable for Smyth.
Guerin
G. Courtnal
Huet
Roloson
Bertuzzi
Naslund
Just of the top of my head.
Naslund at 27 - 72-41-75 (PPG)
Bertuzzi at 27 - 72-36-85 (PPG+)
Courtnall at 27 - 62-32-58 (Shade under PPG)
Roloson and Huet are goalies - not exactly fair comps.
Morrow will most likely be a 80-20-60 guy the rest of his offensive career, he may have a career year at 70 points, and he may have a poor year at 50 points... but there's no reason to believe he'll ever reach any higher potential than he has right now. Guys who are already 27 and become much better hockey players over night just don't come along very often.
And please don't use anyone who turned 28 this year and played in Europe last year and had a breakout year in 05-06 :pimp:
No doubt that Smyth is better than Morrow, but some may argue Smyth is underpaid. I think 4.5 is certainly justifiable for Smyth.
Interesting.
I love Smyth, but personally.. I'm going to be upset if he's signed for much more than $4,000,000. I don't really think he's done much to justify a raise from the $3,500,000 that he's at right now.
Newfie John
9-21-06, 9:22 PM
Interesting.
I love Smyth, but personally.. I'm going to be upset if he's signed for much more than $4,000,000. I don't really think he's done much to justify a raise from the $3,500,000 that he's at right now.
Well it just could be my view as a Leaf fan being used to ridiculous contracts. Smyth is the undisputed leader of the Oil, he can score, he's good in his own zone. He can play virtually any role you want him to. IMO, he's an upgraded version of Darcy Tucker. I think Tucker will get somewhere around 3- 3.5 if he has another near 30 goal campaign. The way contracts are getting, Smyth at 4.5 isn't out of this world.
Well it just could be my view as a Leaf fan being used to ridiculous contracts. Smyth is the undisputed leader of the Oil, he can score, he's good in his own zone. He can play virtually any role you want him to. IMO, he's an upgraded version of Darcy Tucker. I think Tucker will get somewhere around 3- 3.5 if he has another near 30 goal campaign. The way contracts are getting, Smyth at 4.5 isn't out of this world.
Well, it's not a shot at him as a player.. on a 2 year deal at $4,500,000 I could live with that. Having said that though, Smyth is the type of player who is going to break down more quickly than a lot of guys simply because of how he plays the game.
I'm an Oiler fan, so I suppose I'm used to seeing guys go and the money being spent as well as it possibly can.
I suppose what I'd really like to see with Smyth would be a 5 year contract after this year (take him right to his retirement, or a contract away). Maybe $4,500,000, $4,500,000, $3,000,000, $2,500,000, $1,500,000. Average it out (makes more sense for Edmonton to average their contracts out as we have an internal as well as external cap) to $3,200,000.
charlio lemieux
9-21-06, 9:56 PM
Naslund at 27 - 72-41-75 (PPG)
Bertuzzi at 27 - 72-36-85 (PPG+)
Courtnall at 27 - 62-32-58 (Shade under PPG)
Roloson and Huet are goalies - not exactly fair comps.
Morrow will most likely be a 80-20-60 guy the rest of his offensive career, he may have a career year at 70 points, and he may have a poor year at 50 points... but there's no reason to believe he'll ever reach any higher potential than he has right now. Guys who are already 27 and become much better hockey players over night just don't come along very often.
And please don't use anyone who turned 28 this year and played in Europe last year and had a breakout year in 05-06 :pimp:
Bertuzzi 25/26 _80 - 25 - 55
Bertuzzi 27/28 _82 - 46 - 97
Naslund 26/27 _82 - 27 - 65
Naslund 29/30 _82 - 48 - 104
Actually:
Courtnal 25/26(87-88) _74 - 36 - 66
*you missed his 12 games with you oilers
Courtnal 26/27 _79 - 42 - 80
The jump from 25/26 to 26/27 sees players find a grove FAR more often than 27/28.
History proves this, and Morrow is 27, so that 25/26 boat is gone ;). Check Naslund's birthday.. 00-01 he was 27 for the entire season, 99-00 he was 26 for the entire season.
Newfie John
9-21-06, 10:48 PM
Well, it's not a shot at him as a player.. on a 2 year deal at $4,500,000 I could live with that. Having said that though, Smyth is the type of player who is going to break down more quickly than a lot of guys simply because of how he plays the game.
I'm an Oiler fan, so I suppose I'm used to seeing guys go and the money being spent as well as it possibly can.
I suppose what I'd really like to see with Smyth would be a 5 year contract after this year (take him right to his retirement, or a contract away). Maybe $4,500,000, $4,500,000, $3,000,000, $2,500,000, $1,500,000. Average it out (makes more sense for Edmonton to average their contracts out as we have an internal as well as external cap) to $3,200,000.
Sorry I didn't mention term. I agree with you there. You can't give Smyth a 5 or 6 year contract at 4.5. That just isn't logical as a guy who plays that style of game can't produce like that consistantly 5 years down the road. 3.2 is a good number for a long term deal. IMO though, the best way to do it for both sides would be a 2 year deal at 4.5 like you said, an optional 3rd year wouldn't be bad at all either.
KB in Kelowna
9-21-06, 11:12 PM
The Hamhuis signing I like, the Morrow one, well I am in the camp that it may be a little rich for too long. He is a solid player, but will he continue to produce?
As for the new NHL.. almost everyone saw their scoring go up.
Yes but his +/- and PIM also set career highs which tells me that despite the new rules, he did not change his physical style of play and continued to thrive as a 2-way, well rounded player. To me that says a lot.
Nobody can read the future. Is Morrow at his peak? who knows, but he's entering his prime not past it.
I do admit that I made a mistake -- I thought it was a 4 year deal not a 6 year... I do think that 6 years is a bit long. 4 would have been just right to me.
But obviously Dallas feels Morrow is worth that much to them, and I think it's for reasons that don't necessarily show up in the stats. I think the price is on the high side, but I stand by my position that I would pay a premium to keep Morrow around, and that's what Dallas did. I would have went for a 4 year deal - but who knows what negotiations were involved. Maybe Morrow was not willing to sign an extension for less time :shrug:
But obviously Dallas feels Morrow is worth that much to them, and I think it's for reasons that don't necessarily show up in the stats. I think the price is on the high side, but I stand by my position that I would pay a premium to keep Morrow around, and that's what Dallas did. I would have went for a 4 year deal - but who knows what negotiations were involved. Maybe Morrow was not willing to sign an extension for less time :shrug:
Being a Morrow fan myself, I have to agree. Morrow's worth to Dallas may be a lot more than it would be to other teams. Take the Devils for example. Some people would say that John Madden at 2.89 million, or Sergei Brylin at 1.52 million are overpaid. But for what they bring to the Devils specifically, they're worth that amount of money. Morrow brings a lot to the table other than his offensive abilities, and is probably the Star future captain. 4.4 million might be a bit much, but I'd rather have Morrow at 4.4 million than Pisani at 2.5 million.:D
Being a Morrow fan myself, I have to agree. Morrow's worth to Dallas may be a lot more than it would be to other teams. Take the Devils for example. Some people would say that John Madden at 2.89 million, or Sergei Brylin at 1.52 million are overpaid. But for what they bring to the Devils specifically, they're worth that amount of money. Morrow brings a lot to the table other than his offensive abilities, and is probably the Star future captain. 4.4 million might be a bit much, but I'd rather have Morrow at 4.4 million than Pisani at 2.5 million.:D
I'd rather have Pisani at nearly half the price for a better defensive player and a guy who's still offensively talented.
And proven in the playoffs ;).
Like I said though - I've never understood this "well he's worth this much to US" line of thought. It's like saying... yeah, we're over-paying him, but we like him. It's not like you're paying him as much as someone else... you'rep aying him more. Why inflate the market and hurt your own team at the same time by overpaying?
What I find really ironic is some of the people who were all over Bobby Clarke for signing Kesler are supporting this contract.
charlio lemieux
9-22-06, 7:19 PM
The jump from 25/26 to 26/27 sees players find a grove FAR more often than 27/28.
History proves this, and Morrow is 27, so that 25/26 boat is gone ;). Check Naslund's birthday.. 00-01 he was 27 for the entire season, 99-00 he was 26 for the entire season.
Still the fact remain several players have improved in their late 20's. Regardless of how particular you want to be about their birth dates.
charlio lemieux
9-22-06, 7:23 PM
Being a Morrow fan myself, I have to agree. Morrow's worth to Dallas may be a lot more than it would be to other teams. Take the Devils for example. Some people would say that John Madden at 2.89 million, or Sergei Brylin at 1.52 million are overpaid. But for what they bring to the Devils specifically, they're worth that amount of money. Morrow brings a lot to the table other than his offensive abilities, and is probably the Star future captain. 4.4 million might be a bit much, but I'd rather have Morrow at 4.4 million than Pisani at 2.5 million.:D
Me too.
Still the fact remain several players have improved in their late 20's. Regardless of how particular you want to be about their birth dates.
You're missing my point Charlio... there's players who jump from 26 to 27. There's very few who make a jump after turning 27. It's a fact... I can think of one forward (disregarding the guys who were 28 and broke out this year when they may or may not have broken out during the lockout year and we can't check) who's done this, and that's Fernando Pisani. John Madden may have done it as well.
Fact remains, I can't think of many forwards who were "good" at 27 and then suddenly great at another time in their career. It just doesn't happen. 26 and 27 does, 27 and 28 doesn't. The year makes a big difference, for whatever reason. It's a fact, and you can't just brush it aside and say that it's irrelevant - otherwise you'd have players you could point to.
I'd say it's similar to seeing junior players who suddenly "get it" offensively at age 20 like Kyle Brodziak. They didn't get it before that point for a reason.
I'm not necesarily supporting the contract, I did concede that 4.4 was a bit on the high side and I did not realize it was a 6 year deal.
But I am supporting Brenden Morrow.
For arguments sake, let's look at some other players in the 4+ range. I'm just randomly clicking around nhlpa.com:
Glen Murray Boston 4.1M... a 50 point guy who was -8 last year. He can thank Joe Thornton for his paycheck.
Alex Tanguay Calgary 5M... point-per-game guy... but does not come close in all the other less glamorous qualities possessed by Morrow.
Adrian Aucoin Chicago 4M... please.
Jay McKee St. Louis 4M
etc. etc.
My point is simply this... yeah they over-paid a little for Morrow but it's not totally outrageous. He absolutely belongs in the 3's at least. If you told me they threw 6 million per at him I'd laugh. But 4.4 is not a large stretch... and don't forget that teams need to predict the financial landscape some years down the road. If Morrow continues to blossom, in 4 years his salary could be a bargain. Dallas is taking that gamble... I would too.
His agent is fully aware of this. They had a big bargaining chip and that was UFA looming next season. If Morrow got to UFA... I guarantee Dallas would have to pay more than 4.4 to retain him. Not a doubt in my mind.
charlio lemieux
9-22-06, 8:07 PM
You're missing my point Charlio... there's players who jump from 26 to 27. There's very few who make a jump after turning 27. It's a fact... I can think of one forward (disregarding the guys who were 28 and broke out this year when they may or may not have broken out during the lockout year and we can't check) who's done this, and that's Fernando Pisani. John Madden may have done it as well.
Fact remains, I can't think of many forwards who were "good" at 27 and then suddenly great at another time in their career. It just doesn't happen. 26 and 27 does, 27 and 28 doesn't. The year makes a big difference, for whatever reason. It's a fact, and you can't just brush it aside and say that it's irrelevant - otherwise you'd have players you could point to.
I'd say it's similar to seeing junior players who suddenly "get it" offensively at age 20 like Kyle Brodziak. They didn't get it before that point for a reason.
Sorry but there are just too many players who have their best years after 27 for you to say they don't improve after that age.
Sorry but there are just too many players who have their best years after 27 for you to say they don't improve after that age.
Still waiting on an example of a good forward to turn great when he's already played a season at 27 years old. Surely if so many are doing it you must have several handy examples of players who finally realized their potential at 28 years old, right?
I'd say that some players can get better defensively... that's about it. I'm not saying their best years are already decided at the age of 28... but you know what you're going to get. Saying that Brendan Morrow is a 80-20-60 guy who provides good leadership, is pretty good defensively and a good hitter is very fair. Saying that he has the potential to be anything more than that is somewhat ridiculous simply because... there's no reason to ever believe that he will be.
TimmyTabasco
9-22-06, 10:15 PM
I'd rather have Pisani at nearly half the price for a better defensive player and a guy who's still offensively talented.
And proven in the playoffs ;).
Reminds me of McCauley :D
charlio lemieux
9-23-06, 10:12 AM
Still waiting on an example of a good forward to turn great when he's already played a season at 27 years old. Surely if so many are doing it you must have several handy examples of players who finally realized their potential at 28 years old, right?
I'd say that some players can get better defensively... that's about it. I'm not saying their best years are already decided at the age of 28... but you know what you're going to get. Saying that Brendan Morrow is a 80-20-60 guy who provides good leadership, is pretty good defensively and a good hitter is very fair. Saying that he has the potential to be anything more than that is somewhat ridiculous simply because... there's no reason to ever believe that he will be.
Naslund 75 pts in 72 games age 27 = 1.04 ppg
Naslund 90 pts in 81 games age 28 = 1.11 ppg
Naslund 104 pts in 82 games age 29 = 1.27 ppg
Nope no significant improvement there is there? :rolleyes:
Guerin 39 pts in 59 games age 27 = 0.66 ppg
Guerin 64 pts in 80 games age 28 = 0.80 ppg
Guerin 46 pts in 70 games age 29 = 0.65 ppg
Guerin 85 pts in 85 games age 30 = 1.00 ppg
Who would have thought Guerin had the potential to be a 2 time 40 goal scorer, when his pre-28 best was only 29 goals?
Perhaps you need to read up on a some guy names Martin St. Louis, who had his 28th birthday the summer before winning the Art Ross Trophy, with an impressive 24 point improvement on his 27yr old season.
MadDevil
9-23-06, 10:51 PM
I'd rather have Pisani at nearly half the price for a better defensive player and a guy who's still offensively talented.
And proven in the playoffs ;).
Pisani is a proven 18 goal scorer who had one good playoff run on a Cinderella team. If Pisani is worth 2.5 million, then so is Sergei Brylin.;)
My point being that I'd take the entire package that Morrow brings at 4.4 million over the package that Pisani brings at 2.5 million. Color me biased because I'm a Morrow fan, but I think it also goes the other way when discussing comparisons with Oilers players.:thumb:
Naslund 75 pts in 72 games age 27 = 1.04 ppg
Naslund 90 pts in 81 games age 28 = 1.11 ppg
Naslund 104 pts in 82 games age 29 = 1.27 ppg
Nope no significant improvement there is there? :rolleyes:
And then he dropped back down, so instead of basing this entire argument on his one amazing season (Iginla syndrome?), why don't you take notice that at age 27 he was roughly a PPG player, and he's been very close to that mark 3 of the last 4 seasons.
Guerin 39 pts in 59 games age 27 = 0.66 ppg
Guerin 64 pts in 80 games age 28 = 0.80 ppg
Guerin 46 pts in 70 games age 29 = 0.65 ppg
Guerin 85 pts in 85 games age 30 = 1.00 ppg
Who would have thought Guerin had the potential to be a 2 time 40 goal scorer, when his pre-28 best was only 29 goals?
You'll notice I never discounted Guerin, but thanks for bringing up the same point over and over.
Perhaps you need to read up on a some guy names Martin St. Louis, who had his 28th birthday the summer before winning the Art Ross Trophy, with an impressive 24 point improvement on his 27yr old season.
Alright, so we're up to 4 players, and only 3 (Guerin, Pisani, Madden - keep in mind I listed two of these players for you) of whom have maintained any sort of consistency to that great year, as right now St. Louis is a one year wonder.
Now, want me to list several hundreds who gave us more or less exactly what to expect by the time they were 27 within 10 points (lets say that covers injuries, linemates, quality of opposition)?
Just off the top of my head, Sakic, Sundin, Modano, Smyth, Weight, Elias, Jagr, Lemieux, Gretzky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Nieuwendyk, Linden, Gartner, Moreau, Marchant, Iginla, Langkow, Forsberg, Selanne, Kariya, Draper, McCarty, Peca, Yelle, Arnott, Brind'Amour, Satan, Yzerman, Shanahan, Hull, Sykora, Amonte, Bondra,
I could list probably thousands of forwards who we could look at at 27 and know roughly what the player would be for the next 6 years.
You can list about 5 players who had a huge breakout year after the day they turned 28 and sustained that level of play.
As for the Pisani contract...
I feel it's a little high. Having said that, Pisani does things at ES that very few players in the NHL can do, that is starting to become valued by some of the craftier GM's. The Pisani contract hurts a little bit, but at most we're paying him about 750k too much, given his lists of comparables. That said, we knew after the playoffs that he had that he was going to get a payday.
I'd say Morrow is getting about $1,500,000 too much, and he's getting it for 2 years longer. I'd also say that Pisani has a lot of upside, simply because he was such a late bloomer, and we saw what he was able to do in the playoffs. The guys always been streaky, and if he can maintain any sort of consistency offensively, he's capable of being an 80-30-60 guy. That said, given his defensive abilities (which we have no fear of him losing) and his work ethic, we're well aware he will be a 80-20-40 guy this year.
charlio lemieux
9-25-06, 8:48 AM
Ya 5 off the top of my head with no research and no goalies allowed. There are lots of players who do have their best years after they have turned 28. You can try and quantify their improvement by how much and for how long, so you can dismiss the majority of examples if you want. That still doesn't mean Morrow's best years are behind him.
I bet if his name was Smyth, who's best season was 70 points, with Doug Weight no less, this deal would be amazing. :rolleyes:
TimmyTabasco
9-25-06, 3:50 PM
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph
No school, no work? :nod:
me was Smyth, who's best season was 70 points, with Doug Weight no less, this deal would be amazing. :rolleyes:
Well, it's not a shot at him as a player.. on a 2 year deal at $4,500,000 I could live with that. Having said that though, Smyth is the type of player who is going to break down more quickly than a lot of guys simply because of how he plays the game.
I'm an Oiler fan, so I suppose I'm used to seeing guys go and the money being spent as well as it possibly can.
I suppose what I'd really like to see with Smyth would be a 5 year contract after this year (take him right to his retirement, or a contract away). Maybe $4,500,000, $4,500,000, $3,000,000, $2,500,000, $1,500,000. Average it out (makes more sense for Edmonton to average their contracts out as we have an internal as well as external cap) to $3,200,000.
The rest of the argument seems to have gone right over your head, so I won't even bother.
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph
No school, no work? :nod:
See, what happens is the room I do my school work in has this computer. Hockey is a lot more fun than school :D
charlio lemieux
9-25-06, 7:05 PM
The rest of the argument seems to have gone right over your head, so I won't even bother.
See, what happens is the room I do my school work in has this computer. Hockey is a lot more fun than school :D
You mean the part about your erronious statement of how no one gets better after 27 except Fernando Pisani? :rolleyes:
Or how you seem to feel the Hemsky contract is the benchmark, for every other player in the league to be judged by? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You mean the part about your erronious statement of how no one gets better after 27 except Fernando Pisani? :rolleyes:
Or how you seem to feel the Hemsky contract is the benchmark, for every other player in the league to be judged by? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Please find two quotes of me saying that.
I think the drugs are starting to warp your memory Charlio.
What I said was that Morrow signed the exact same contract as Hemsky - I never said he should be compared to it, as they're different players. Hemsky and Morrow aren't comparables - Hemsky has upside and is already a much better offensive player... Morrow obviously brings other things to the table. I also said that OFFENSIVELY, 95% of forwards (ie: the position that Morrow plays. I fail to see how we can justify Morrow will get better because Huet did. Hey, maybe the Blackhawks will be the best team in the league this year; look what the Detroit Tigers did!) see no significant changes in output. 10 points here and there either way, but generally a 60 point player at 27 is a 60 point player the rest of his career, and justifying signing a guy who's already passed that age because of his upside is ridiculous.
Is that really so hard to understand?
charlio lemieux
9-25-06, 11:43 PM
Go try and find me many players whose name isn't "Fernando Pisani" who become noticably better after they turn 27...
That's close enough for me.
As for the Hemsky contract you compare him to it seems like everyone. Sad really. Like you think he is the be all and end all of what a talented hockey player should be. He has had 1 good year, try and remember that. Bergerons deal made Hemsky's "look a lot better" if I remember how you phrased it correctly. Whatever helps you to sleep at night.
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