Patrice Bergeron locked up..

[PDO]

http://www.bostonbruins.com/pressbox/pressreleases.asp?ID=1761

5 years, 23.75 M, 4.75M a year :eyebug:

Hemsky's deal looks even better :D

[KB in Kelowna]

http://www.bostonbruins.com/pressbox/pressreleases.asp?ID=1761

5 years, 23.75 M, 4.75M a year :eyebug:

Hemsky's deal looks even better :D

Would that deal have been made under Sinden?:conspire:

[TimmyTabasco]

What a raise :eek:

Chiarelli is as nutty as last years fruitcake

Did somebody say..overpaid?

But then again..this is the same organization that paid Zhamnov $4.1 million

[Madferret]

Almost 5 million?
lol

[PDO]

I'm thinking someone had to have dropped an RFA offer sheet in here.

It's the only thing that makes sense.

I mean, he didn't have arbitration rights and he didn't give up a single year of being a UFA.

[MadDevil]

I'm thinking someone had to have dropped an RFA offer sheet in here.

It's the only thing that makes sense.

I mean, he didn't have arbitration rights and he didn't give up a single year of being a UFA.

This is the same organization that traded Joe Thornton away for practically nothing. They're not exactly known for making bright moves lately.;)

[PDO]

I'm thinking Boston overpaid by about $4,000,000 on this deal. This same deal a year from now and they probably break even, and 2 years from now and it's a damn good one.

Lets assume Bergeron accelerates at the rate most think he will:

1.5M this season, 1 year deal.
3M next 2 seasons, 2 year arbitration awarded deal
6M next 2 seasons, then he hits UFA.

= 19.5M

Bergeron raped Boston, solely because not only did he get paid in his cheap years (read: this year, plus the 2 first arbitration years), but he didn't give up a single UFA year.

[charlio lemieux]

I don't think this deal is as bad as you would have us believe PDO.

Bergeron has already done what Horcoff will be getting 3.5 million to do. That is be a #1 center and score 70+ points. So I think his arbitration would be at the very least 3.5 million next year. Likely closer to 4.5, with a half decent season.

The fact Bergeron scored 31 goals, compared to Hemsky's 19, is one good reason to give Bergeron the extra 750,000 per season.
That Hemsky was 22 and Bergeron was only 20, is another reason.

Probably the biggest reason Bergeron, got 4.75 per is that he scored only 4 fewer goals and 2 fewer points than LeCavalier, who's average is 6.75 Million a season. Again doing at 20 what LeCavalier did at 25.

Bergeron maybe over paid for the next year or two, but for the 3 final years of this deal he will be an absolute steal.

[PDO]

I don't think this deal is as bad as you would have us believe PDO.

Bergeron has already done what Horcoff will be getting 3.5 million to do. That is be a #1 center and score 70+ points. So I think his arbitration would be at the very least 3.5 million next year. Likely closer to 4.5, with a half decent season.

The fact Bergeron scored 31 goals, compared to Hemsky's 19, is one good reason to give Bergeron the extra 750,000 per season.
That Hemsky was 22 and Bergeron was only 20, is another reason.

Probably the biggest reason Bergeron, got 4.75 per is that he scored only 4 fewer goals and 2 fewer points than LeCavalier, who's average is 6.75 Million a season. Again doing at 20 what LeCavalier did at 25.

Bergeron maybe over paid for the next year or two, but for the 3 final years of this deal he will be an absolute steal.

Horcoff, at this point in their respective careers, is a lot better than Bergeron. You have to be aware of that, and they're an extremely poor comparison. One of them is a guy who plays against the elite competition and one of them is a young, extremely talented player, who's about to start playing against good players this season.

Big difference there.

Check my above example, I figured he got $6MM over 2 years in arbitration - maybe he pulls $7MM. This is assuming that Boston brings a case that they should bring.

Either way, you'd be sitting at having spent $8.5MM at the most after the first 3 years of the contract, opposed to $14.25. That's $5.75MM. Divide that over 2 seasons and add it to the $4.75MM and you get $7.125MM.

The fact remains, that if Bergeron grows perfectly over the next 5 years and after the next 3 is a $7,000,000 player - the Bruins break even.

The difference between Bergeron and Lecavalier is that Lecavalier has a track record - we know what to expect, and we know that he's going to be a 30-40 guy more often than not. We don't know that Bergeron isn't a flash in the pan.

Boston took several risks here. They took a risk that Bergeron becomes a $7MM player in 3 years (to break even), they took a risk that he's not a flash in the pan, they took a risk that he would've got a huge award in arbitration. They took a risk that he'd progress every single season, and gave up all of the leverage that they had.

Bergeron's risks? Well, gave up 1 year of being a UFA.

That's it. Boston gave up a cheap year (he would've signed for $1.5MM at the most this season - he had no arbitration rights), gave up 2 likely medium priced years (probably about $3.5MM-$4.0MM) and then gained 2 high price years (where they'll save ~ $2.00MM a year).

It's a good move signing Bergeron up - but I am shocked that if they offered 5 years to Bergeron they couldn't get him to give up more. Bergeron is risking 1 UFA season. Too put that into perspective, Hemsky is giving up 3. UFA years are worth a lot for a young player expected to be a superstar.

Think of it this way, here's perfection for Boston, and in comparison I have perfection for Edmonton in terms of the players value at the end of his contract and how much they'd save by entering a long-term contract with the player:

Bergeron:
1.5MM
4.5MM
4.5MM
7.0MM
7.0MM

= $24.5MM (750k saved)

Hemsky:

3.0MM
4.0MM
5.5MM
7.5MM
7.5MM
7.5MM

= $35MM ($11MM saved)

Like I said, this is both contracts resulting in the maximum saved for each team. The Oilers stand a LOT more to gain than the Bruins. I have Hemsky gaining 7.5MM in his last 3 seasons because he'd be a UFA for all 3, I have Bergeron making 7.0 in his last RFA year and his first UFA year.. if you'd prefer I change to 6.5 and 7.5 I have no problem doing that ;).

I just don't see why Boston didn't say "well, we're giving up this.. so we want you to come down to a better rate..."

It's not a terrible deal (like I said, I expect them to come pretty close to breaking even on it either way), but I don't know why you'd enter a 5 year deal that you didn't feel you could win big. The Oilers can do that with the Hemsky contract, the Bruins can't do that with Bergeron.

[charlio lemieux]

First, if Bergeron can produce at 20, with lesser linemates, what Horcoff is producing at 27, do you really think Horcoff is the better player? I sure don't.
So as Boston's #1 center Bergeron was sheltered from playing against the leagues best? Please that is so lame, don't even go there. He faced just as tough competition night in and night out as Horcoff did.

Your arbitration numbers are a bit low. I don't agree with them, so telling me to look at them again as an example of how you are right is a waste of time, because I don't think they are accurate. If he scores over a PPG this year he would have every right to demand, and likely get, Briere type money. .

I have to go. I will finish this later.

[charlio lemieux]

The difference between Bergeron and Lecavalier is that Lecavalier has a track record - we know what to expect, and we know that he's going to be a 30-40 guy more often than not. We don't know that Bergeron isn't a flash in the pan.



FTR: Lecavalier only had two 30 goal seasons before his 6.75 milion dolar a year deal.


:rollover:

Bergeron could be a flash in the pan, and yet Hemsky is worth every penny of 4 million a season.

Please show me where the big difference is.

Neither had a 40 point season until last year.
Both scored 70 points for the first time last year.
One has 3 years in the NHL the other has 2.

Biggest differences I see are, one was 20 and the other 22, and one scored 31 goals and the other only 19. Both favour Bergeron.

I can see from your projected salary worth, you appear to think Hemmer is the better player of the two. As talented as Hemsky may be, I think Bergeron is the better player, and a bargain at only 750K more than Hemmer. Begeron is a complete steal when compared to Savard, or Lecavalier.

Where is this 1.5 million figure coming from?

No way would Bergeron play for 1.5. He was the #1 center, scored 31 goals and led his team in points. His agent would have to be a complete crackhead to not be able to get him atleast what Comrie is getting and that is 3 million.

[Asterix]

That's rich for Bergeron but they do need someone to sell tickets... after the flop with Raycroft who had brought back some hope in Boston, and the Thornton trade, the fans needed something positive! So they got the signing of Bergeron and Sinden stepping down! Things are looking up in B-town! :D