View Full Version : Redden Stays in the Capital
2 years, 13 million
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Madferret
6-29-06, 4:12 PM
Excellent!
Max Power
6-29-06, 4:21 PM
Good news
I was one of the few here who would have liked a longer deal as I think Reddens best days are ahead of him but two year will do. I'm assuming Redden might have wanted that option to walk away.
I?ll assume they are offering Chara the same and IMO if he doesn?t take it then good riddance. Winning teams can?t bankrupt themselves on one player. I?ll miss the big man and any team will be lucky to have him
I'm assuming Redden might have wanted that option to walk away.
I'm sure he plans on doing just that. Right to Edmonton. If we win the Cup he's happy and wants home I'm sure. If not, he'll want a change. He's said such already and Edmonton would be at the top of Redden's list.
Hopefully I'm singing a different tune soon. Right now, I'm quite unhappy if Chara cost us just 0.5M more. And I'm sure he would have taken a longer-term too......
I'm sure he plans on doing just that. Right to Edmonton. If we win the Cup he's happy and wants home I'm sure. If not, he'll want a change. He's said such already and Edmonton would be at the top of Redden's list.
Hopefully I'm singing a different tune soon. Right now, I'm quite unhappy if Chara cost us just 0.5M more. And I'm sure he would have taken a longer-term too......
Hate to sound like a jerk, but I love the sounds of Redden coming here in 2 years to play his best hockey ;)
I would too if I was an Oiler fan. This signing just seems plain bad to me given Chara was on the table for almost the exact same price. There's no way he'd sign for a term any shorter than Redden, and at least we wouldn't have any doubts about him heading home once his contract expires since home to him is in Slovakia.
Luongo just signed a 4 year deal worth 27M today too. Makes this signing look even worse.
Madferret
6-29-06, 4:55 PM
Does this mean the Alfie cap is no more?
Darsehole Tucker
6-29-06, 5:14 PM
I'm big on Redden over Chara if need. Of course...thats ONLY if we have to choose one and can't have both.
Darsehole Tucker
6-29-06, 5:17 PM
Does this mean the Alfie cap is no more?
I really liked that cap...and I'm a big Alfie guy too. Unfortunately, he hasn't proven to me that he can step up his game when it counts. I really appreciate what he brings to the team, don't get me wrong. The team was very bad when he was out with injury. But we need to pay some guys to come in and get the job done after the regular season. I'm with Max and I think Redden will be able to step it up (though he hasn't yet) with Phillips in the post-season. His first-pass is unmatched.
Newfie John
6-29-06, 5:44 PM
6.5 a year... wow.. He would have gotten it on the market anyway though. Good sign Ottawa, I highly doubt they'll get Chara back too though.
Madferret
6-29-06, 5:49 PM
Something to note, Sens.com has nothing yet about Redden re-signing. Just like it didn't have anything after Hossa signed last year before being traded.
:shrug:
I really liked that cap...and I'm a big Alfie guy too. Unfortunately, he hasn't proven to me that he can step up his game when it counts. I really appreciate what he brings to the team, don't get me wrong. The team was very bad when he was out with injury. But we need to pay some guys to come in and get the job done after the regular season. I'm with Max and I think Redden will be able to step it up (though he hasn't yet) with Phillips in the post-season. His first-pass is unmatched.
Exactly! And that is exactly why I'm so in favor of Chara for only 0.5M more. He's also much harder to replace on the open market.
That first pass of Redden's also goes south pretty fast if an agressive forecheck forces him into a quick descision. Often that pass is tape-to-tape indeed, but right to the opposing forward's stick.
I have taped the Battles of Ontario and watched them all numerous times wondering "what went wrong" after so many early playoff exits. Then I realize (not after too much screen gazing I might add) the reason. Wade Redden - argueably our best defenseman over 82 games - looks scared and intimidated. He appears unsure, unassertive, and unconfident. Opposing teams take notice, dumping the puck into his side of the ice, and their eyes light up as they rush in to drive him into the boards and hopefully force a turnover. Redden actually scares me more on the ice than rookie defensemen Anton Volchenkov or depth guy Shane Hnidy when the puck is in our own end. And something is wrong with that picture
Something to note, Sens.com has nothing yet about Redden re-signing. Just like it didn't have anything after Hossa signed last year before being traded.
:shrug:
Don't get my hopes up, Ferret!
I like Redden, but not at 6.5M over 2 years at which point I think we'll lose him for nothing. If we can get a good return for him and then sign Chara for his 7M - just 0.5M than Redden is making - Muckler should do it IMO.
EDIT - Unless he's going to Edmonton, maybe it's not such a wise move. First Hossa and then Redden. What high-profile player will want to sign in Ottawa?
Madferret
6-29-06, 5:58 PM
Let's just wait Andy.
Muckler could be making a double announcement at a PC tommorow just as easily.
Don't get my hopes up, Ferret!
I like Redden, but not at 6.5M over 2 years at which point I think we'll lose him for nothing. If we can get a good return for him and then sign Chara for his 7M - just 0.5M than Redden is making - Muckler should do it IMO.
EDIT - Unless he's going to Edmonton, maybe it's not such a wise move. First Hossa and then Redden. What high-profile player will want to sign in Ottawa?
I have to imagine if Redden's coming here (especially at that price) that Pronger is going the other way...
If that's the fact, Redden's value right now can't be considered that high to Edmonton given that Pronger is better, signed for less and signed for 2 years longer.
Just wouldn't seem like a K-Lowe move to make a trade where Redden was the center-piece.
I have to imagine if Redden's coming here (especially at that price) that Pronger is going the other way...
If that's the fact, Redden's value right now can't be considered that high to Edmonton given that Pronger is better, signed for less and signed for 2 years longer.
Just wouldn't seem like a K-Lowe move to make a trade where Redden was the center-piece.
True, but that would be if Lowe was dealing from a position of strength. Everybody knows that Pronger has asked to be dealt, so are the Oilers really in a position of strength in any trade they make involving him? I know they want to get the right deal in return, but I wonder if any team is really going to offer that "right deal" they're looking for.
But hey, it's the offseason. Nobody has any clue what's really going on it seems.:laughing:
True, but that would be if Lowe was dealing from a position of strength. Everybody knows that Pronger has asked to be dealt, so are the Oilers really in a position of strength in any trade they make involving him? I know they want to get the right deal in return, but I wonder if any team is really going to offer that "right deal" they're looking for.
But hey, it's the offseason. Nobody has any clue what's really going on it seems.:laughing:
I'll now direct you to my signature ;) Cap wise.. Pronger is the cheapest of the 4. He'll be cheaper for the next 4 years. The only one there that anyone in their right mind would argue is better is Lidstrom - who is soon to be 37 while Pronger is 32. He has value, and a lot of it :)
He has value, and a lot of it :)
True, but then you've also got to consider teams will be asking, "If going to Game 7 of the Finals in a hockey mad city wasn't good enough for him, what guarantee is there he'll stay with us?" I know I'd be a bit worried about trading future assets off for somebody who signed a long-term deal with a team, and then wanted out after the first year.
There's no doubt that Pronger will give the Oilers a good return, I just hope that some Oilers fans don't expect the moon for him. That being said, Rafalski, Gomez, and a 1st rounder for Pronger and Stoll?:D
Not too sure who this Garth fellow is, perhaps the Garth from Waynes world? 'CAR, CAR, CAR'
Anyway Garth from Hockeybuzz doesn't have anything nice to say about this. You will notice his email at the end, can I advise you on a nice flood bot? ;)
This must be a typo.
The Ottawa Senators have re-signed Wade Redden to a a two year deal.
$13 Large over the next two years?
$13 Large for a guy who allowed Buffalo's Jason Pominville to drop the jock of Daniel Alfreddson, and,in the process, abuse Ray Emery to score the OT Game winner / series clincher?
That Wade Redden?
Imagine if Redden wold have scored the game winner in Games 6 and 7 against Buffalo. By Muckler's logic, Redden would be worth $8 million a season.
Big Money Dmen are supposed to prevent chaos in their own end, and, big goals, right?
WOW !
Mucks is prepared to commit F-YOU money to a Dman who has been a regular season stalwart, however, a postseason stiff for the Sens for the past 10 years.
I hate to point out the obvious that Redden, Phillips, and Alfie have had their DNA and fingerprints all over the past 10 years of playoff debacles in Kanata. Evidently, Mucks has not had enough of the Sens'commitment to mediocrity.
Call me a jackass, but, the only Dmen in the NHL that I would be commiting north of $6 Large to are: Z. Chara and Nik Lidstrom. Give Dion Phaneuf two years and he'll be in the $6 million range.
The deal will pay Redden $6.5 million in each of the next two seasons, making him the highest-paid Ottawa player ahead of Captain Catastrophe's $4.67-million salary.
Isn't there a rule in Ottawa that no player on the Sens can earn more than Alfreddson? By my math, $6.5 is far greater than $4.67. Then again, I have to take my shoes off to do math equations.
Maybe Redden gets spared, and, Alfie will be moved ?
Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMM.......
That's my story and I'm stickin to it......
Garth
spittinchiclets@netscape.net
LINK (http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=2218)
I think its a nice deal, but for Redden it doesn't offer much security. Hope he doesn't get seriously hurt in year 2. Then again, 13 m should keep the Redden family in high society for quite some time.
charlio lemieux
6-29-06, 7:48 PM
True, but then you've also got to consider teams will be asking, "If going to Game 7 of the Finals in a hockey mad city wasn't good enough for him, what guarantee is there he'll stay with us?" I know I'd be a bit worried about trading future assets off for somebody who signed a long-term deal with a team, and then wanted out after the first year.
There's no doubt that Pronger will give the Oilers a good return, I just hope that some Oilers fans don't expect the moon for him. That being said, Rafalski, Gomez, and a 1st rounder for Pronger and Stoll?:D
No way man. ;)
Redden + Havlat for Pronger + Stoll
Too bad Prongs doesn't want to play in Ottawa.
charlio lemieux
6-29-06, 7:55 PM
Not too sure who this Garth fellow is, perhaps the Garth from Waynes world? 'CAR, CAR, CAR'
Anyway Garth from Hockeybuzz doesn't have anything nice to say about this. You will notice his email at the end, can I advise you on a nice flood bot? ;)
LINK (http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=2218)
I think its a nice deal, but for Redden it doesn't offer much security. Hope he doesn't get seriously hurt in year 2. Then again, 13 m should keep the Redden family in high society for quite some time.
Redden said after the Sens were eliminated that changes had to be made to eliminate the culture of losing, or something to that effect. I like how the article points out that him, Alfie and Phillips are the ones who have been there all along. So if Redden is staying, does that mean Cappy Alfie is going?
Imagine Cappy Alfie as a Desert Dog, or maybe a Nahville Predator. Happy Days :)
Wasn't it Redden who proclaimed he wanted a say in who the Sens acquire or he would be looking for the exit door?
or was that somebody else.... can't remember.
Madferret
6-29-06, 11:18 PM
lol @ Garth
Go look at our exchange over there...
Madferret
6-29-06, 11:20 PM
Wasn't it Redden who proclaimed he wanted a say in who the Sens acquire or he would be looking for the exit door?
or was that somebody else.... can't remember.
It was Wade.
Max Power
6-30-06, 9:07 AM
All I have to say to the circuse side show of comments is McCabe @5.75 over 5 years. If people here seriously think Redden is not worth .75 more then McCabe then please hand me the goggles because I'd be happier person in neverland.
Redden has proven over the last 2 years that his best days are starting to come in, internationally and in the NHL. He had the most points of any defensemen in the NHL after the second round of playoffs and scored the only winning goal against Buffalo in the second round.
Saying this I don’t question people debating the validity in this signing but to give him two more years to see what he can do is a gamble worth taking
Newfie John
6-30-06, 10:56 AM
All I have to say to the circuse side show of comments is McCabe @5.75 over 5 years. If people here seriously think Redden is not worth .75 more then McCabe then please hand me the goggles because I'd be happier person in neverland.
Thats the thing, Mccabe shouldn't be making 5.75 million either. Compare Redden to guys like Pronger and Lidstrom. I do not think he's in their territory upwards to the 6.5 to 7 mil range.
Leafs_Fa_Life
6-30-06, 10:56 AM
Great signing for Ottawa. Some may argue 6.5M is a lot, but the cap is going up, and a 2 year deal is solid for Ottawa. The worst thing you can do with a salary cap is put yourself in a situation where you don't have flexibility due to long-term deals.
Max Power
6-30-06, 11:02 AM
Thats the thing, Mccabe shouldn't be making 5.75 million either. Compare Redden to guys like Pronger and Lidstrom. I do not think he's in their territory upwards to the 6.5 to 7 mil range.
I somewhat agree but think he's close and has it in him. Also I think Lidstrom will be making more then redden by at least .5 if not more.
Great signing for Ottawa. Some may argue 6.5M is a lot, but the cap is going up, and a 2 year deal is solid for Ottawa. The worst thing you can do with a salary cap is put yourself in a situation where you don't have flexibility due to long-term deals.
Agree
If Redden doesn't step up and lead with this salary ottawa can walk away after two years. With guys like Mez and Lee Ottawa should be in good shape come two years
Max Power
6-30-06, 3:24 PM
Well wings just paid Lindstrom 1.1 more then Redden
Looks like 2 year deals will become popular in this cap world
Wings lock up Lidstrom with 2-year deal
Niklas Lidstrom
TSN.ca Staff
6/30/2006 12:28:10 PM
The Detroit Red Wings have taken Nicklas Lidstrom off the free agent market, signing him to a two-year contract.
The deal will pay him $7.6 million in each season.
Lidstrom also earned $7.6 million last season and won the Norris Trophy as the league's top defenceman for the fourth time.
He scored 16 goals and led all blue-liners with 80 points.
The 36-year-old has spent his entire 14-year career with the Red Wings, winning three Stanley Cups and earning the Conn Smythe Trophy as playoff MVP in 2002.
KB in Kelowna
6-30-06, 4:23 PM
Well wings just paid Lindstrom 1.1 more then Redden
Looks like 2 year deals will become popular in this cap world
Wings lock up Lidstrom with 2-year deal
Niklas Lidstrom
2 years makes sense, he is an elite player. Reevaluate his situation at the end of 2 years instead of being tied down to a big dollar contract for 5 years. Pronger is looking like a bargain at $6.5 however.
Nothing wrong with the money as salaries are going up but why not a longer term deal,Muckler wanted it but not Redden so whats the deal,Ottawa not good enough for Redden?
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