New GM and Coach on the Island

[Amoroq]

Just heard this in CBC, Neil Smith Gm, and Ted Nolan coach.

About damn time Nolan got another shot!

Good luck to both :)

[J.R.]

Yeah, it took NHL teams long enough to realize Ted Nolan is still a great coach. I think his former team's QMJHL title and later appearance in the Memorial Cup final helped his case.

[KB in Kelowna]

A good move for the Islanders on both positions. If Smith can undue the damage that was Mike Milbury and with Ted Nolan older/wiser and still a winner it could bring back the days of being a playoff contender to Long Island.

[Amoroq]

A good move for the Islanders on both positions. If Smith can undue the damage that was Mike Milbury and with Ted Nolan older/wiser and still a winner it could bring back the days of being a playoff contender to Long Island.All they need now is a good and proper sewage system or better yet how about a new rink?

[butterfly_style]

Good luck to Nolan and the NYI . . .all except for Cashin

[TimmyTabasco]

Yeah, it took NHL teams long enough to realize Ted Nolan is still a great coach. I think his former team's QMJHL title and later appearance in the Memorial Cup final helped his case.

How is Ted Nolan a "great" coach? The guy coached two seasons in the NHL

Nolan could very well be a distraction for the Islanders, and Smith may have a hard time dealing with other GM's

I am glad he wasn't interviewed for the vacant Canucks position

[PDO]

... Nolan will play the race card within a year.

And a guy who won the Jack Adams doesn't get black-balled for this long for no reason.

[Daryl Shilling]

... Nolan will play the race card within a year.

And a guy who won the Jack Adams doesn't get black-balled for this long for no reason.

Why, was he constantly playing "the race card" in his past tenure as an NHL coach? I don't seem to recall it.

Better yet, before we go on, you'll need to at least loosely define what would constitute playing the race card? At what point would Nolan merely be using race to cover for his own inadequacies, and at what point would he be noting legitimate racism directed towards him?

For example, was Nolan "playing the race card" when he desired an apology after Chicoutimi fans tomahawk-chopped, yelled war cries, pretended to shoot bow and arrows, performed war dances, and generally just insulted him based only on race, all directed at him, even after the game as his team was boarding their bus?

And if you think that's the only time that sort of thing happened to him in his life, you're either flat-out lying to yourself or are approaching a rarely heard of level of naivete.

Given those sorts of experiences in his life, is it "playing the race card" for him to wonder out loud if there is a bias when he's been repeatedly asked by GMs if it's true that he was drunk at Sabres practices, especially when everybody with an ounce of intellgience that any NHL coach would be fired for such a thing, let alone not be permitted to do it a number of times?

Daryl

[PDO]

Loosely...

The references to him not having a job in the NHL due to his heritage would be the "race card" in my books. He didn't have a job in the NHL because he undermined his boss. Not a hard concept to grasp.

While he did the right thing in continuing on and regaining a positive reputation through work in the CHL, I sure as hell know if I were a GM I wouldn't hire him. And it'd have nothing to do with his heritage.

Is there any sort of justifiable reason for racism? Not a chance in hell. Yet, having said that, Nolan brought everything that happened onto himself by being an idiot in the first place. If he had been focused on coaching and nothing else, he never would've lost his job nor would he have people asking him if he was drunk at practices, etc. Is it a shame that people think he's a bad person because he's Native? Absolutely. Did he bring this unto himself by doing something moronic? Absolutely.

[Daryl Shilling]

Loosely...

The references to him not having a job in the NHL due to his heritage would be the "race card" in my books. He didn't have a job in the NHL because he undermined his boss. Not a hard concept to grasp.

While he did the right thing in continuing on and regaining a positive reputation through work in the CHL, I sure as hell know if I were a GM I wouldn't hire him. And it'd have nothing to do with his heritage.

Is there any sort of justifiable reason for racism? Not a chance in hell. Yet, having said that, Nolan brought everything that happened onto himself by being an idiot in the first place. If he had been focused on coaching and nothing else, he never would've lost his job nor would he have people asking him if he was drunk at practices, etc. Is it a shame that people think he's a bad person because he's Native? Absolutely. Did he bring this unto himself by doing something moronic? Absolutely.

Keep in mind that I never suggested that he didn't play a part in being away from the NHL for this time. He played a part, and by the tone of the conversations that he had with GMs, his race clearly played a part as well. If he was caucasian, we both know that "drunk at practice" business would have never come up, because everybody would know it's obviously untrue. Not one NHL coach would be allowed to keep his job if he did it even once.

Though it's off-topic from my original post in this thread, I'll ask anyway: given that he has been asked questions like this, is it "playing the race card" for him to believe that his race played a part in keeping him out of the league?

Our views are all partially shaped by our experiences. Those that have not had much (if any) experience in being ill-treated or discriminated against because of their race tend to see the world around them as not being very racist. Those that have had to go through that sort of treatment are more sensitive to it and more likely to see it. In short, it's convenient for people that have not had to live in his skin all his life to tell us that he's not been facing racism.

That's all an aside. What I had asked you to do is define how he will play the "race card" this year.

I find it interesting, by the way, that you find no justifiable reason for racism, yet justify the racism (ala the silly "drunk at practice rumour") towards Nolan because he "absolutely" was the one to "bring it on himself".

Let us be clear: you can bring people's ire, their like, their dislike, etc, upon yourself. You cannot bring their racism onto yourself. It is that person, and only that person, that is responsible not to give in to their stereotypes and biases.

Daryl

[PDO]

My thoughts on Nolan are that something will happen, and he'll bring his race up as the reason it happened. Whether it be a ref going on a power trip, him being fired, whatever. Could he prove me wrong? Absolutley. And I hope he does.

I just don't expect it.

I never said that the racism is justified because he brought it upon himself; I do however feel that he gave many people a reason to be racist. He just made it a lot easier for anyone to say anything racist about him; much like we saw with many terrorists in Southern Ontario.

My thoughts for a long time have been if you don't want to be discrimated against because of your race; then don't give anyone a reason to. I've shaped this opinion mostly through the discrimination that I've faced as a young white male. I simply refuse to give anyone a reason to throw me into that stereotype and as such, I rarely am treated that way.

[krypt1968]

All they need now is a good and proper sewage system or better yet how about a new rink?

Amo here is the answer to that.
http://www.news12.com/NewCDA/article...n=LI&id=177624

[butterfly_style]

. . . I've shaped this opinion mostly through the discrimination that I've faced as a young white male. I simply refuse to give anyone a reason to throw me into that stereotype and as such, I rarely am treated that way.
So PDO . . .just how do you act like an old, black, woman ?

[PDO]

So PDO . . .just how do you act like an old, black, woman ?

It's tricky, but involves a lot of makeup, some very fine soil, a little of water, and a lot of sun.

I usually stuff a few pillow's into my shirt as well.

;]