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Mel
4-23-06, 2:48 PM
The latest on Jagr.

Let me preface this by saying Jagr or no Jagr... any effort even closely resembling yesterday's complete and total unraveling will make this an easy sweep for New Jersey.

Jersey is a playoff savvy team. They still have a number of guys who won Cups there. They know all about discipline and playoff hockey success formulas. They will gladly let the Rangers shoot themselves in the foot with stupid penalties. All of their offense came on the power play. You give Elias, Gionta and Gomez 13 power plays.... I don't care who's in goal, you will pay that price and they did. It was nothing short of an embarassment plain and simple. Playoff inexperience was apparent. Which I suppose should not surprise anybody.

A few calls that led to PP goals I felt were questionable. Moore along the boards as MD pointed was really what should have been a non-call, Jagr got called for a hook, that from where I was sitting did not impede the player in the least. It should have been a non-call. Both led to goals.

But most of the penalties were good correct calls. The refs went out of their way to make it clear the the game will be called tight. The Rangers have nobody to blame but themselves. Malik blatant elbow to the face of Pandolfo, I mean come on... you cannot play that kind of game in the playoffs especially against Jersey and hope to win. It actually plays right into their style. They rely on being more disciplined than the opponent, and cashing in on their mistakes.

The Devils too got a few borderline calls too so I am in now way claiming the refs called a worse game for the Rangers. But overall they called the game even tighter than regular season. It's almost as if they're taking it too far the other way.

I still firmly believe that the Rangers can carry the play and beat this team 5 on 5. Despite all the shorthanded time including 2 5-3's, the shots on goal wound up 30 each. We saw some Ragner momentum early which of course was quickly snuffed by taking penalties. 16 penalties. Unacceptable. And they should not expect even a sniff in this series if they can't turn this problem around immediately. But based on the regular season... I'm not overly optimistic of that happening. But I will continue to hope for the best.

As for Jagr, I personally don't think he's gonna go tomorrow night, which mean it will be miraculous to sneak out of the swamp with a 1-1 tie. He left the Meadowlands without a sling so some say he might have popped a shoulder and they popped it back in. If he can go, even in discomfort he will.

This was printed a few hours ago:

(AP) EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J Jaromir Jagr's attempted swipe at Scott Gomez left the New York Rangers' star forward with an injury that could sideline him in the playoffs.

With the Rangers trailing by four goals and virtually no chance of coming back late in the third period Saturday, Jagr was sent out by coach Tom Renney to get what he called "practice" in penalty killing. Jagr tried to hit Gomez, New Jersey's second leading scorer, and lunged toward him.

He didn't connect and then stumbled as he appeared to stretch his arm out awkwardly.

Right after Patrik Elias scored the Devils' final goal in the 6-1 opening victory of the best-of-seven series, Jagr was escorted to the dressing room and favored his left arm.

Renney only confirmed that Jagr had an "upper body injury," and the right winger who finished second in the NHL with 54 goals and 123 points didn't offer any more details or any assurance he'd be able to play Monday night in Game 2.

He is expected to be evaluated by doctors on Sunday.

"I don't know what is going to happen tomorrow. After that, if I'm ready to play, I'll play," he said. "It doesn't matter. We have to get ready for the next game whether I play or not."

New York was done in on Saturday by undisciplined penalties that led to five New Jersey power-play goals in 13 opportunities.

If the Rangers don't have Jagr in the lineup, they will have to figure out how to stop the Devils' offense while trying to replace the player who had a hand in nearly 50 percent of their goals in the regular season.

Jagr wasn't ready to concede anything, even if he is forced to watch instead of play. The loss was New York's sixth straight.

"We can win," he said. "You always have to believe."

By dropping their final five games in the regular season, the Rangers missed a chance to win the Atlantic Division. A 5-1 loss to Ottawa in the finale dropped them from first to third in the Atlantic and from third to sixth in the Eastern Conference.

That put them on the road to start their first postseason appearance since 1997 instead of inside the friendly confines of Madison Square Garden.

Madferret
4-23-06, 2:56 PM
This series comes down to Game 2.
I really think the Rags might rise to the occasion and show everyone they aren't the 1-man-team that everyone says they are.
They won't get much bigger than this for Renney's crew...

PDO
4-23-06, 5:47 PM
*looks at his playoff pool*

Jagr, Ruchinsky, Straka, Nylander.

****. Get well soon.

MadDevil
4-23-06, 7:42 PM
*looks at his playoff pool*

Jagr, Ruchinsky, Straka, Nylander.

They're playing against Martin Brodeur and the Devils, so don't be surprised if none of them score very much for you.:D

Mel
4-24-06, 4:14 PM
Jagr is officially out of the line-up tonight according to ESPN.

In addition, Kevin Weekes will start in goal over Lundqvist.

So just like that... 2 most valuable Rangers have been shelved.

This is not good. :no:


The Rangers will need to play a nearly perfect hockey game to win IMO. (Ward is done too... knee)

wildboy26
4-24-06, 4:22 PM
Is Weekes starting over Lundqvist because of the injury he incured a few weeks ago, or because the Rangers were not pleased with Lundqvist's play in the first game?

Mel
4-24-06, 4:38 PM
Is Weekes starting over Lundqvist because of the injury he incured a few weeks ago, or because the Rangers were not pleased with Lundqvist's play in the first game?

Renney said it's basically just a "gut feeling". Weekes has played well against the Devils this season for the most part. Weekes has also proven to elevate his game come playoff time (Carolina).

Lundqvist missed all of April with a hip problem... in 2 games back he has let up 11 goals. Not sure if it's related, but the Rangers are not going to give up any truthful information regarding that so it's anybody's guess.

My hunch is that they feel Lundqvist is still not 100% - but Renney has made a lot of surprising moves during the season so maybe it really is just a feeling he had to start Weekes tonight.

In summary :shrug:

wildboy26
4-24-06, 4:59 PM
Thanks for the insight. I feel bad for Lundqvist. It must be hard to have been one of the top goalies in the league this year, in your rookie year, and then look like you are being sat for the playoffs due to a previous injury, and slow recovery from that injury. Hopefully Weekes does the job though.

Mel
4-25-06, 1:03 PM
Weekes didn't play all that bad last night...

Somehow I doubt he was expecting Sandiz Ozilinsh to jam one through his legs :rolleyes:



:laughing:

MadDevil
4-25-06, 1:59 PM
Weekes didn't play all that bad last night...

Somehow I doubt he was expecting Sandiz Ozilinsh to jam one through his legs :rolleyes:



:laughing:

That goal should read Sandis Ozolinsh, assisted by John Madden.:thumb:

The game was closer than the score would indicate, and if Ozolinsh hadn't f****d up a couple times, the game would have probably ended up 2-1. I thought the Rangers checking line with Hollweg, Betts, and Ortmeyer (I think) brought good energy for them, and had some good shifts (Betts scored the only goal of the game for them).

It'll be interesting to see what happens on Wednesday in New York...

Mel
4-25-06, 2:30 PM
That goal should read Sandis Ozolinsh, assisted by John Madden.:thumb:

The game was closer than the score would indicate, and if Ozolinsh hadn't f****d up a couple times, the game would have probably ended up 2-1. I thought the Rangers checking line with Hollweg, Betts, and Ortmeyer (I think) brought good energy for them, and had some good shifts (Betts scored the only goal of the game for them).

It'll be interesting to see what happens on Wednesday in New York...

The first goal was a direct result of Ozilinsh pinching, which is strictly prohibited for Ranger D-men unless Renney gives the green light. He's been in Renney's dog house before for pinching.

Couple that with his spectacular between the legs tap-in on his own goalie late in the 2nd (which I think completely deflated the team)... I wouldn't be surprised to see him scratched on Wednesday.

Otherwise the effort was decent. The Devils haven't changed, they will not beat themselves. You have to play almost a perfect game or they'll make you pay.

I would like to see NY make a series out of it. The Garden should be rockin tomorrow night. If Lundqvist is not in goal Wednesday then I believe he is definitely injured.

I hope Kaspar can go too.

Unfortunately Jagr has said he can't play tomorrow night. I have the feeling he's done, unless the Rangers get to round 2 without him.