Bash on this suckers

[Savior 61]

30 or more goals

60 games or less

5th player to do so in last 10 years

Rick "Phenom" Nash

I thought you guys would like the thread name ;)

[wildboy26]

Not asked to play for Canada at the World Championships after playing in the Olympics, an event about 40% the caliber of the Olympics. Not asked while players like Patrice Bergeron, Brad Boyes, and Colby Armstrong all were. Bash on that if you wish.

[NashisGod]

Not asked to play for Canada at the World Championships after playing in the Olympics, an event about 40% the caliber of the Olympics. Not asked while players like Patrice Bergeron, Brad Boyes, and Colby Armstrong all were. Bash on that if you wish.

ever consider the fact that some of these guys are getting the chance because they didn't get the chance at the olympics? regardless i garantee nash gets invite and i hope he turns it down

[wildboy26]

ever consider the fact that some of these guys are getting the chance because they didn't get the chance at the olympics?

Sorry but that is never a reasoning used. They invite the best players available period, or who they believe are the best players available.

[Savior 61]

Sorry but that is never a reasoning used. They invite the best players available period, or who they believe are the best players available.
Actually an article in the Columbus Dispatch said that he was undecided on whether to play or not because his risk of injury.

Your telling me Bergeron and Armstrong are better than Nash?

[charlio lemieux]

30 or more goals

60 games or less

5th player to do so in last 10 years

Rick "Phenom" Nash

I thought you guys would like the thread name ;)

2005-06 ...................GP..G..A..Pts
Jaromir Jagr, .....NYR R 58 40 48 88
Eric Staal, ........CAR C 57 36 39 75
D. Alfredsson, ...OTT R 52 34 39 73
Ilya Kovalchuk, ..ATL L 54 37 35 72
Dany Heatley, ...OTT L 56 34 37 71
A. Ovechkin, ....WAS L 55 36 33 69
Simon Gagne, .....PHI L 51 37 26 63
J. Cheechoo, .......SJ R 56 34 22 56
Brian Gionta, ........NJ R 58 33 23 56

Source Espn.com (http://Espn.com)

[PDO]

2005-06 ...................GP..G..A..Pts
Jaromir Jagr, .....NYR R 58 40 48 88
Eric Staal, ........CAR C 57 36 39 75
D. Alfredsson, ...OTT R 52 34 39 73
Ilya Kovalchuk, ..ATL L 54 37 35 72
Dany Heatley, ...OTT L 56 34 37 71
A. Ovechkin, ....WAS L 55 36 33 69
Simon Gagne, .....PHI L 51 37 26 63
J. Cheechoo, .......SJ R 56 34 22 56
Brian Gionta, ........NJ R 58 33 23 56

Source Espn.com (http://Espn.com)

Post of the year. :rollover:

[Savior 61]

Post of the year. :rollover:
Yeah that may be the post of the year.

Only because I worded my post wrong, now I completely forget what they said. I was trying to make this thread the same time they were saying it.

But I know for sure I saw Lemieux name on the 1 of 5 players list, someone find it and when you do, bash on it.

[charlio lemieux]

Lemieux?

As in Charlio Lemieux?
Or that Mario guy?

Mario had one season where he played exactly 60 games.
1992-1993 Penguins 60 69 91 160

2.66PPG Not bad.

[wildboy26]

Actually an article in the Columbus Dispatch said that he was undecided on whether to play or not because his risk of injury.

Your telling me Bergeron and Armstrong are better than Nash?

Bergeron, Boyes, Comrie, and Calder were all on the first list of invites and Nash was not. So yes there is an argument all those players are better than Nash. Hockey Canada now seems to think so.

[Savior 61]

Bergeron, Boyes, Comrie, and Calder were all on the first list of invites and Nash was not. So yes there is an argument all those players are better than Nash. Hockey Canada now seems to think so.
Dude, I dont even know what to say about you.

You cant compare ANY of those guys to Nash. I dont see them being the youngest player EVER to win the Richard, do you?

Hes setting records with names like Gretzkey and Lemieux involved.

[wildboy26]

Dude, I dont even know what to say about you.

You cant compare ANY of those guys to Nash. I dont see them being the youngest player EVER to win the Richard, do you?

Hes setting records with names like Gretzkey and Lemieux involved.

I say that because it is true. Bergeron and Boyes were invited to Worlds right away, Nash was not. Did you see the Columbia Dispatch article this weekend that said Nash had not been invited to Worlds. Did you read the same time articles that Bergeron and Boyes had been?

Yes he set a youngest EVER record, but Lindros set a bunch and where is he now?

[charlio lemieux]

Dude, I dont even know what to say about you.

You cant compare ANY of those guys to Nash. I dont see them being the youngest player EVER to win the Richard, do you?

Hes setting records with names like Gretzkey and Lemieux involved.

Ok now you are getting ahead of yourself.

First off the Richard trophy wasn't around for Gretzky and Lemieux to win.
Second, Nash is good, but he is nowhere near as good as the two best players to play the game in the last 25 years.

[wildboy26]

First off the Richard trophy wasn't around for Gretzky and Lemieux to win. Second, Nash is good, but he is nowhere near as good as the two best players to play the game in the last 25 years.

True but he did do one thing that Gretzky and Lemieux did not do, and Crosby probably wont do(unless you really believe he will lead the NHL in goals next year, not points which he might have an outside shot at, but goals). That is lead the league in goals at 19. So I will give him due on that, he did do something that all other historic players havent done, and probably wont have done for awhile still. Just shows how a trivial stat can be deceptive however. :D

[charlio lemieux]

Gretzky led the league in scoring as a 19 yr old. Did he get credit for it? NO. Dionne won the Art Ross because he had more goals. Gretzky did win the Hart Trophy though.
1979-80 Edmonton Oilers NHL 79 51 *86 *137
Nash Doesn't compare!

When Nash averages over 2.5 ppg for a few seasons, then you can put him in the same league as the Great and Magnificent Ones.

[wildboy26]

Gretzky led the league in scoring as a 19 yr old. Did he get credit for it? NO. Dionne won the Art Ross because he had more goals. Gretzky did win the Hart Trophy though.
1979-80 Edmonton Oilers NHL 79 51 *86 *137
Nash Doesn't compare!

When Nash averages over 2.5 ppg for a few seasons, then you can put him in the same league as the Great and Magnificent Ones.

I never said he was in their league, heck I am the one who is saying he has no chance to be on the 2010 Olympic team while saying Bergeron is a lock for it. As if I am saying he is as great as Mario or Wayne, I dont think either Crosby or Ovechkin will be as great as them even, contrary to what many seem to be saying now.

I am just saying though he did lead the league in goals at 19, something Grezxty and Lemieux did not do, something Ovechkin wont do at 20, and something Crosby is very unlikely to do at 19. So he does deserve credit for that one distinction even if I still think he is a third-string player overall.
:laughing:

[Savior 61]

I never said once Nash was a play maker. Even though he can make beautiful passes, hes a goal scorer.

Nash is only the second teenager ever to have 40+ goals. Youngest ever to lead NHL in goals. And now, he has 31 goals in I believe 62 or 63 games.

I still havent found that stat, so just forget the topic name.

[Savior 61]

Sorry but that is never a reasoning used. They invite the best players available period, or who they believe are the best players available.
You're saying Nash isnt good enough?

Lmfao go get shot.

[NashisGod]

the stat is right he's only the 5th player to score 30 or more goals playing only 60 games or less in a season in a season

[NashisGod]

2005-06 ...................GP..G..A..Pts
Jaromir Jagr, .....NYR R 58 40 48 88
Eric Staal, ........CAR C 57 36 39 75
D. Alfredsson, ...OTT R 52 34 39 73
Ilya Kovalchuk, ..ATL L 54 37 35 72
Dany Heatley, ...OTT L 56 34 37 71
A. Ovechkin, ....WAS L 55 36 33 69
Simon Gagne, .....PHI L 51 37 26 63
J. Cheechoo, .......SJ R 56 34 22 56
Brian Gionta, ........NJ R 58 33 23 56

Source Espn.com (http://Espn.com)

that would be a good post if it was saying anything towards the topic

[MadDevil]

the stat is right he's only the 5th player to score 30 or more goals playing only 60 games or less in a season in a season

I'm assuming that means players to only play 60 or less games over the course of an entire 82 game schedule?

Which still really doesn't mean much, especially in the "new NHL"...

[Savior 61]

I'm assuming that means players to only play 60 or less games over the course of an entire 82 game schedule?

Which still really doesn't mean much, especially in the "new NHL"...
Doesnt mean much when only 5 players have done it in the past 10 years?

[PDO]

Doesnt mean much when only 5 players have done it in the past 10 years?

Mostly because most players were durable enough to play more games, as Charlio pointed out several players scored 30 goals in 60 games.

[charlio lemieux]

If Nash wants to really impress people he needs to join the 50 in 50 club.

30 in 60 is nothing special.

[Man.Utd]

If Nash wants to really impress people he needs to join the 50 in 50 club.

30 in 60 is nothing special.

He should probably focus on getting into the "50 in anything" club first, at any level of hockey he's played at.

[Savior 61]

Mostly because most players were durable enough to play more games, as Charlio pointed out several players scored 30 goals in 60 games.
As I pointed out, I worded it wrong.

All I know is that Nash is setting records with names like Gretzkey and Lemieux and hes getting even better records than them.

So why dont you just stop, you cant say that Boyes etc. are even CLOSE to Nash. If you do youre just mad and dont want to admit the truth.

I absolutely HATE Crosby, and I bashed on him ALL THE TIME. But he is a great hockey player, and especially for an 18 year old kid.

Just admit Nash is one of the top 6-7 forwards in the NHL and stop all of this...

[Savior 61]

If Nash wants to really impress people he needs to join the 50 in 50 club.

30 in 60 is nothing special.
For the last time man, I worded it wrong.

Nash really wants to impress people, youngest player E-V-E-R to lead the WHOLE ENTIRE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE IN GOALS, YOUGNEST EVER. Not even Gretz and Lemieux could do it.

[J.R.]

Just admit Nash is one of the top 6-7 forwards in the NHL and stop all of this...Okay, Rick Nash is one of the top 67 forwards in the NHL. Now stop all of this.

[Savior 61]

Okay, Rick Nash is one of the top 67 forwards in the NHL. Now stop all of this.
You probably think youre funny. But what I think is funny is that fact that you PROBABLY think your Bergeron, and your Hemsky, and your Stoll are all better than Nash, I just have that feeling.

Nash is one of the best top 10 forwards in the NHL.

[PDO]

No, he's not.

Potential to be? Definitely.

Fact is, he's not nearly comlpete enough a player to consider top 10. Never mind the fact that his best season ever right now is 57 points and a minus 35.

Simple facts, there are several players in the league right now who come WELL before Nash, and for good reason. You want a top 10 forward?

Thornton, Jagr, Alfredsson, Forsberg, Selanee... Nash doesn't hang with those names, not even close. He's yet to ever break 60 points, all those guys have broken 100. He's yet to ever play a playoff game, all those guys have and a couple of them have won everything. He's yet to ever play the tough minutes, those guys eat them up and spit them right back out.

Talk to me when Rick Nash can outscore Joe Thornton at 5x5.. then we'll talk about him being a top 10 forward in this league.

[charlio lemieux]

For the last time man, I worded it wrong.

Nash really wants to impress people, youngest player E-V-E-R to lead the WHOLE ENTIRE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE IN GOALS, YOUGNEST EVER. Not even Gretz and Lemieux could do it.


First off, for the record he tied for the lead in goals. Let's get that straight.
Second of the 3 players tied for the league lead in goals his was by far the weakest offensive season.
ILYA KOVALCHUK ATL L 81 41 46 87 -10
JAROME IGINLA.. CGY R 81 41 32 73 +21
RICK NASH......... CBJ L 80 41 16 57 -35
His +/- is simply pathetic. What more can be said.


Gretz just scored 10 more goals then Nash did at 19 and added 86 assists.
Lemieux had 43 goals and also managed 100 points, as a 19yr old ROOKIE.

Don't even try to compare them, Nash is not close to being in their league.

[Savior 61]

Whatever, im done talking about Rick Nash.

I have better things to do that sit here and argue with a mod so he can ban mefor simply arguing a point kthxbai.

[Dlux]

I'm terrified to post any type of statistical arguement now knowing I may feel the wrath of P.D.O and Charlo.

But seriously as ppl have continued to illustrate, these selective stat arguements only tell a 2-d picture. If Nash can get healthy and play the minutes that guys who recieve the legitimate acclaim are playing then projected/thereotical production wouldn't be necessary. Not to mention that a player's ability to maintain performance becomes more difficult the more he is seen around the league and the more his body takes a night in and night out beating. I'm sure u could pull up some insane 40-50 game production numbers on just about anyone.

And yes this is your team forum, but by posting under "Nashisgod" you HAVE to come stronger than that. =)

[NashisGod]

I'm terrified to post any type of statistical arguement now knowing I may feel the wrath of P.D.O and Charlo.

But seriously as ppl have continued to illustrate, these selective stat arguements only tell a 2-d picture. If Nash can get healthy and play the minutes that guys who recieve the legitimate acclaim are playing then projected/thereotical production wouldn't be necessary. Not to mention that a player's ability to maintain performance becomes more difficult the more he is seen around the league and the more his body takes a night in and night out beating. I'm sure u could pull up some insane 40-50 game production numbers on just about anyone.

And yes this is your team forum, but by posting under "Nashisgod" you HAVE to come stronger than that. =)

not really...because i have a life....so therefore i dont have the time to sit out and figure out and disect stats...because in reality anything anybody says to me about rick nash wont change what i think and its obvious i can't change what others think...thats why i've stopped posting about him....because they are arguments that go nowhere...

[charlio lemieux]

I'm terrified to post any type of statistical arguement now knowing I may feel the wrath of P.D.O and Charlo.

But seriously as ppl have continued to illustrate, these selective stat arguements only tell a 2-d picture. If Nash can get healthy and play the minutes that guys who recieve the legitimate acclaim are playing then projected/thereotical production wouldn't be necessary. Not to mention that a player's ability to maintain performance becomes more difficult the more he is seen around the league and the more his body takes a night in and night out beating. I'm sure u could pull up some insane 40-50 game production numbers on just about anyone.

And yes this is your team forum, but by posting under "Nashisgod" you HAVE to come stronger than that. =)

If the stat is accurate and logical there is nothing to fear.

[Dlux]

not really...because i have a life....so therefore i dont have the time to sit out and figure out and disect stats...because in reality anything anybody says to me about rick nash wont change what i think and its obvious i can't change what others think...thats why i've stopped posting about him....because they are arguments that go nowhere...

I wouldn't go attacking other ppl just because of their strong arguements. I can drop baseball stats the way P.D.O and Charlo do with hockey numbers while maintaining a strenuous college life of alchohol and casual sex. No one who knows their sport is going to change their mind based on generalizations about a guy, if Nash's poor +/- rating and lack of assists doesn't discredit what you are trying to say then its on you as a hockey man to make your point. Be glad ppl are willing to call you out politely and with proof, it shows they care what you have to say and everybody learns something new.

[NashisGod]

I wouldn't go attacking other ppl just because of their strong arguements. I can drop baseball stats the way P.D.O and Charlo do with hockey numbers while maintaining a strenuous college life of alchohol and casual sex. No one who knows their sport is going to change their mind based on generalizations about a guy, if Nash's poor +/- rating and lack of assists doesn't discredit what you are trying to say then its on you as a hockey man to make your point. Be glad ppl are willing to call you out politely and with proof, it shows they care what you have to say and everybody learns something new.

+/- rating has to do with a ton of things not 1 player...is it nash's fault that the defenders in columbus have always been horrible? is it his fault that the only scoring threat on his line is vyborny and vyborny always looks to pass...therefore nash doesn't get a chance at a lot of assists....regardless we could argue forever but in the end it just doesn't matter...im done with last season dont care now