Nash not invited to play for Canada at World Championships!

[wildboy26]

I am so happy Rick Nash was not invited to play for Canada at the World Championships. Canada can win now. It was a great decision. Rick Nash will never be invited to play for a Team Canada again.

[wildboy26]

Now I am very confident Nash will not play for Team Canada again. They even asked people like Bergeron, Boyes, and Stuart over him, ROTFL!

[KB in Kelowna]

Your source, I haven't noticed the Team Canada selections at any sports sites.

I checked the Hockey Canada site, no mention of any roster invites:http://www.hockeycanada.ca/1/8/5/1/9/index1.shtml

[wildboy26]

http://www.dispatch.com/bluejackets/bluejackets.php?story=dispatch/2006/04/15/20060415-E4-01.html

Bergeron, Crosby, Boyes, and Stuart were all already asked, but not Nash. That means they are waiting to see who is available after the first round of the playoffs before seeing if there is room for him or not. He is now even below Boyes, Stuart, and Bergeron in Hockey Canada's eyes now, LOL! I am so glad I am being proven right, Nash is even getting asked after Bergeron, Stuart, and Boyes, he will never play for Team Canada again.

[wildboy26]

http://www.dispatch.com/bluejackets/bluejackets.php?story=dispatch/2006/04/15/20060415-E4-01.html

Crosby, Boyes, and Bergeron were all invited but not Nash. I heard Armstrong and Doan were as well. Rick Nash is not even a certain invite to the lowly World Championships, a way way less significant event than a World Cup or Olympics, which certainly proves he will never play at the World Cup or Olympics again. He is only going to know if he even gets an offer after the first round of the playoffs, that means whether he is invited or not depends on whether there is enough players availabe after the first round of playoffs. Nash is not even a certain invited to the World Championships anymore and is considered inferior to Bergeron and Boyes in Hockey Canada's eyes now.

[PDO]

Because at 22 he has clearly reached his peak.

[wildboy26]

Big deal, Bergeron is younger than him and has already blown past him. Bergeron and Boyes are even being picked above him for teams now, yes he sure as heck is slipping fan, that is blatantly obvious. The fact he is 22 does not change that. The World Championships is a puny puny event compared to the Olympics and World Cup and yet he no longer is deemed good enough to be a "certain" invite to that. He has gone from being picked for the Olympics, to being arguably the best player at the "stronger" Worlds last year because of the lockout, to having to wait until the first round of playoffs are over for Hockey Canada to then decide "if there is room" for him on the team or not while the likes of Bergeron, Boyes, and Colby Armstrong, are all asked before him.

[KB in Kelowna]

You are citing the Columbus Dispatch a well known source of Hockey insight:rolleyes: . I give you credit for a least sourcing an argument for once, but as I read it there may be issues around Medical clearance at this point. I have not seen any Hockey Canada announcements or interviews with Ken Holland on the subject.

[wildboy26]

You are citing the Columbus Dispatch a well known source of Hockey insight:rolleyes: . I give you credit for a least sourcing an argument for once, but as I read it there may be issues around Medical clearance at this point. I have not seen any Hockey Canada announcements or interviews with Ken Holland on the subject.

What are you saying the paper would say something like that including quotes from Nash talking about his thoughts if it were not true? Of course it is true he was not invited, and Bergeron, Crosby, Boyes, and Armstrong were all invited before him. Also the fact he was not on the first round of invites shows that he is unlikely to be invited at all. Usually the remaining invites are all people who lose in the 1st round of the playoffs. He has to wait and see if "there is room for him" to even be invited to the World Championships, a much much lower event than the Olympics and World Cup.


So basicaly he has gone from being an Olympian, and being one of the best players at the "stronger lockout year" World Championships, to not being a first round invite to the lowly World Championships, being below the likes of Bergeron, Boyes, and Armstrong in Hockey Canada's eyes now; and having to wait until the first round of playoffs to see "if there is room for him" on the lowly World Championship team, he is not even a certain or likely invite to this puny event.

[PDO]

Lets look at several players at 22 and see how much they change by the time they hit their career year, shall we?

Markus Naslund:

66 19 33 52

A few years later..

81 40 50 90

Followed by..

82 48 56 104

But clearly at age 22 we were able to figure out he'd never amount to anything.

Maybe we should look at a few more players though, just in case.. I'll just post their 22 year old season followed by their career year.

Cam Neely:
73 14 20 34
76 55 37 92

Todd Bertuzzi:
64 10 13 23
82 46 51 97

Miroslav Satan:
62 18 17 35
79 26 49 75

Jarome Iginla
82 28 23 51
82 52 44 96

Pavel Datsyuk
1999-00 Yekaterinburg Dynamo Russia 15 1 3 4
75 28 59 87

Henrik Zetterberg
Timra IK SEL 48 10 22 32
75 38 43 81

....

But clearly we know exactly the kind of player Rick Nash will be at age 22. Clearly.

[KB in Kelowna]

I merged these two threads. The one in the Columbus forum is a duplicate and an attempt by its author to bash the player involved.

[wildboy26]

Lets look at several players at 22 and see how much they change by the time they hit their career year, shall we?

Markus Naslund:

66 19 33 52

A few years later..

81 40 50 90

Followed by..

82 48 56 104

But clearly at age 22 we were able to figure out he'd never amount to anything.

Maybe we should look at a few more players though, just in case.. I'll just post their 22 year old season followed by their career year.

Cam Neely:
73 14 20 34
76 55 37 92

Todd Bertuzzi:
64 10 13 23
82 46 51 97

Miroslav Satan:
62 18 17 35
79 26 49 75

Jarome Iginla
82 28 23 51
82 52 44 96

Pavel Datsyuk
1999-00 Yekaterinburg Dynamo Russia 15 1 3 4
75 28 59 87

Henrik Zetterberg
Timra IK SEL 48 10 22 32
75 38 43 81

....

But clearly we know exactly the kind of player Rick Nash will be at age 22. Clearly.


At 19 and 20 Rick Nash was invited to play at Worlds. At 21 he was one of the best players at the "lockout Worlds" which is way stronger than the regular Worlds. At 21 he was picked to play at the Olympics. Now at 22 he is not even invited to the puny "regular Worlds" which is nowhere near as prestigious as the Olympics or World Cup.

Going from that to not being a certain invite to the World Championships, in fact being only an unlikely invite depending on "who is available" after the first round of playoffs are over to this MUCH MUCH MUCH smaller event; and not having any room on the team before the likes of Boyes, Bergeron, and Armstrong were asked before you.

Sorry even if he is only 22 this is an extremely fast decline, he is going downhill very fast.

[PDO]

Forget the fact he had a very severe injury (high ankle sprain - see Ed Reed, FS Baltimore Ravens), 24 and under.. for hockey players is an absolute roller coaster. Read some stats up and please pull your head out of your ass.

[wildboy26]

If going from being invited to the Olympics, to being one of the best players the year before that at a much stronger than usual "lockout Worlds", to not even being invited to the World Championships, and being overlooked for the likes of Boyes, Bergeron, and maybe Armstrong, is not an obvious that your career is going downhill fast no matter what age you are then you obviously are living under a rock.

[KB in Kelowna]

It struck me as I helped my wife prepare dinner, that your source on this was the Columbus Ohio Dispatch, now why would a person from Moncton read that paper's site ?

A little obsessed with Rick Nash aren't we?
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[NashisGod]

he will get invited canada would be stupid not to invite 1 of the top nhl players

[wildboy26]

It struck me as I helped my wife prepare dinner, that your source on this was the Columbus Ohio Dispatch, now why would a person from Moncton read that paper's site ?

A little obsessed with Rick Nash aren't we?
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Not at all, I go to sites from different cities to find any information I want. If I want information on a San Antonio Spur I find it on a San Antonia site. If I want information on an Austrian skiier I go to the Austrian ski site.

[NashisGod]

It struck me as I helped my wife prepare dinner, that your source on this was the Columbus Ohio Dispatch, now why would a person from Moncton read that paper's site ?

A little obsessed with Rick Nash aren't we?
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yes he is he digs for stories to show his point that nash sucks....really he's digging deep to get a story out of this 1

[wildboy26]

he will get invited canada would be stupid not to invite 1 of the top nhl players

Sorry he was not invited in the first round of invites, and that means he probably wont be invited at all. Typicaly they invite a group of players in the first round of invites who are eliminated from playoff contention already, and the rest are invited after the first round of the playoffs. The remaining invites are people who lose in the first round of the playoffs. Very rarely does somebody not in the first round of invites, who was already out of playoff contention get invited.

Obviously Canada does not feel he is that much. The likes of Bergeron, Boyes, and Armstrong were asked over him.

[NashisGod]

Sorry he was not invited in the first round of invites, and that means he probably wont be invited at all. Typicaly they invite a group of players in the first round of invites who are eliminated from playoff contention already, and the rest are invited after the first round of the playoffs. The remaining invites are people who lose in the first round of the playoffs. Very rarely does somebody not in the first round of invites, who was already out of playoff contention get invited.

Obviously Canada does not feel he is that much. The likes of Bergeron, Boyes, and Armstrong were asked over him.

your an idiot...sorry it has to be said nobody else has said it actually im sure many people have but you truly are an idiot there's no doubt about it anymore

[NashisGod]

i'll end your stupid nash bashing with this 30 goals in less than 60 games only 5th player to do it in the past 10 years....scoring on nhl players > scoring against team madagascar

[wildboy26]

Yes I am idiot for pointing out blunt reality, that Nash is unlikely to be invited to the Worlds at all if he was not in the first round of invites, and a group of second tier players who would never be on an Olympic team were picked over him.

[NashisGod]

who cares plain and simple he shouldn't go even if he does get invited

[KB in Kelowna]

oh by the way a credible source for me will be Ken Holland or Marc Habschied.

[wildboy26]

who cares plain and simple he shouldn't go even if he does get invited

Yes it means nothing that the same year he was invited to the Olympics, he has dropped so far down in peoples estimation he is not even asked to play at the World Championships, that means nothing. The World Championships are a far far lower event than the Olympics, so that is huge dropoff. Boyes, Bergeron, Comrie, Calder, were all asked ahead of him. You were saying he was a superior player to Staal and Spezza, but Hockey Canada believes he is an inferior players to Bergeron, Boyes, Comrie, and Calder, who were all asked before him. :laughing:

[wildboy26]

I actually made a bet with somebody on another forum worth $50 on each of the following:

1)Rick Nash never being invited to an Olympics or World Cup ever again.

2)Rick Nash never being a "first round invite" to the world Championships, if he is ever invited to this event again, it would only be an invitation after the first round of the playoffs are over and they know who is available.

3)No team with Rick Nash on it ever winning a gold medal.

I have to wait until after 2010 to collect my money though. The person conceded that if I am still right by then it is time to concede the bet.

Of course if the team is desperate at the last minute and has to include Nash if superior players like Doan, Horcoff, Smyth, Marleau, and Tanguay turn down, and Canada manages to win somehow even with Nash on the team I would have to pay $50 in part of the losing part of the bet a month from now. That scenario is very unlikely though.

[MadDevil]

Jesus ******* Christ...does this personal vendetta ever end?:rolleyes:

[wildboy26]

Well I have a good chance to make $150 out of my personal vendetta so it is not a bad vendetta to have, but unfortunately I have to wait 4 years to collect it. I would have tried to make the bet on here, but I get the impression that sort of thing is not welcome here.

[KB in Kelowna]

I checked the official Team Canada no sign of roster announcements for the up coming World Championships. Now could it be that no official invitations have been sent out? That players may have been approached about thier interest in playing and some may heve begged off for personal/family/medical reasons? No couldn't be.:shrug:

[wildboy26]

I checked the official Team Canada no sign of roster announcements for the up coming World Championships. Now could it be that no official invitations have been sent out? That players may have been approached about thier interest in playing and some may heve begged off for personal/family/medical reasons? No couldn't be.:shrug:

There is an article on TSN today that confirms that Crosby, Bergeron, Boyes, Comrie, and Calder ARE playing at Worlds. Obviously they were invited and accepted.

[KB in Kelowna]

There is an article on TSN today that confirms that Crosby, Bergeron, Boyes, Comrie, and Calder ARE playing at Worlds. Obviously they were invited and accepted.

I'll post the relevant part, at least to me on Nash and his participation or non-particpation:Nash and Bouwmeester were part of Team Canada's entry at the Olympics in Turin, but have nagging injuries that may keep them in North America during the world championship.
Nash missed most of the first half of the season with knee and ankle injuries and will consult with Columbus Blue Jackets doctors after the regular season ends early next week.

You know your Nash bashing is wearing on the patience of people around here, and good luck on collecting from people on the Internet.

[wildboy26]

The article is assuming that Nash is being overlooked for the Worlds due to injuries, it does not state anything about him being invited in the first place though, the closest indication of that is still the Columbus paper that says he has not. However Crosby, Boyes, Bergeron, Comrie, and Calder have ALL been invited, and the TSN article confirms that; while the Columbus article confirming he was not, which the TSN article still does not deny.

I have collected money from people on the internet already. I won bets on the Canadian Soccer keeper Lars, I bet with a couple people in November of 2004 that he would be Canada's #3 string goalie by November of 2005 and given no chance by the coach to do anything about it; and also bet in March of 2005 that he would not get invited to play for Canada again by one year from that date by March of 2006 and the tie with Austria. I won bets with several people on both of those bets. I also won a bet on a tennis player I made with two people. So so far I have won these small friendly bets and the people have payed. Maybe I have been lucky so far, once I lose one I will probably stop, or once I dont get payed I will stop. So far though it has been a pleasing experience for me. If it was considered appropriate I would try and make a bet with somebody on this forum, and I would pay if I lost since I would know I would be called out if I didnt. As I said though I get the impression that isnt appropriate here.

[KB in Kelowna]

You are the only person saying he is not being invited! The only one and that is because you have this personal axe to grind, You have zero credibility with me on this issue. You are wishfully reading into any article the facts which support your view. I should give you credit for at least findig alternate sources to try to lend credence to your arguements even if your interpretation of what is said is at best off base and at worst delusional.

[wildboy26]

Well even if he is invited to the Worlds he has no chance to ever be invited to the World Cup or Olympics again, with other young players like Crosby, Bergeron, Staal, Spezza, Cheechoo, and Boyes all bypassing him. That is the main thing I am happy about, I wont mind if I am wrong and he is invited to Worlds this year. Maybe I am misinterpreting and jumping to conlusions about Worlds this year, fine if he goes to Worlds and I was wrong I will admit I jumped to conclusions and I hope the team does well and wins Worlds even with Nash there. I am just glad he will never be on a real important team ever again.

[charlio lemieux]

Well even if he is invited to the Worlds he has no chance to ever be invited to the World Cup or Olympics again, with other young players like Crosby, Bergeron, Staal, Spezza, Cheechoo, and Boyes all bypassing him. That is the main thing I am happy about, I wont mind if I am wrong and he is invited to Worlds this year. Maybe I am misinterpreting and jumping to conlusions about Worlds this year, fine if he goes to Worlds and I was wrong I will admit I jumped to conclusions and I hope the team does well and wins Worlds even with Nash there. I am just glad he will never be on a real important team ever again.


Dude, that's just sad. :no: :shrug:

[wildboy26]

How so? I want Canada to win the next Olympics and defend their World Cup title.

[charlio lemieux]

It's sad because it's petty. :shrug:

[wildboy26]

Well I honestly believe Nash is a plague on a major team, even if others think that is bogus, it is my true belief, and it not just that he is not my favorite player or anything. Until he is part of a "winning team" I will continue to believe that. So it not dislike for him as much as not wanting to see something that I genuinely believe would ensure Canada of not winning the gold medal.

[a4l]

Holy Crap! Nothing like blaming all of the fault on one player. You are beginning to sound like a bitter jilted lover.

[charlio lemieux]

Holy Crap! Nothing like blaming all of the fault on one player. You are beginning to sound like a bitter jilted lover.

:rollover2 Maybe you are on to something.:D

[KB in Kelowna]

http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/news_story.asp?id=163300

Rick Nash invited:eek: Wildboy you were wrong, I wish I had bet you:laughing:

As the premise of this thread was Rick Nash was not going to be invited to play for Team Canada, and that it appears he will be invted but may decline for medical reasons, as the article in the Columbus newspaper implied, I think it is safe to say that this thread is not relevant and should be locked. We can have a dsicussion on the World Hockey Championships in this forum in another thread. If anyone disagrees please pm me or another mod with your reasons.