Rick nash and his retirement

[NashisGod]

I was thinking about this a little do you guys see people like Nash and Zherdev actually retiring as a blue jacket? i mean i haven't followed hockey that long i've only followed it hardcore since the blue jackets came into the league but do teams usually keep these kind of players from rookie to retirement because i'd hate to see those two traded in a few years or let go it would be sad to not see those guys n jacket uniforms...what are your thoughts on this?

[Savior 61]

I was thinking about this a little do you guys see people like Nash and Zherdev actually retiring as a blue jacket? i mean i haven't followed hockey that long i've only followed it hardcore since the blue jackets came into the league but do teams usually keep these kind of players from rookie to retirement because i'd hate to see those two traded in a few years or let go it would be sad to not see those guys n jacket uniforms...what are your thoughts on this?
Lmao, MaClean may be dumb, but hes not as dumb as you think. Nash especially is the next Yzerman, going to save our franchise and notice hes getting help like Yzerman did with the Russians.

Nash wont leave Columbus and all these young guys I dont see leaving either. MaClean has and still is establishing his way of putting a hockey team together. And he has done a damn good job of taking players that were decent into good hockey players, such as our 3 line for example, Malhotra, Letowski, and Chimera.

In other words, I dont see MaClean letting any young guys go.

[J.R.]

I'm sick of Rick Nash talk.

[Savior 61]

I'm sick of Rick Nash talk.
Keep it to yourself then :)

Better than talking about Crosby and Ovechkin, my god.

[charlio lemieux]

Both are in a class atleast one step above Nash.

[NashisGod]

Both are in a class atleast one step above Nash.

yea ok buddy

[NashisGod]

I'm sick of Rick Nash talk.

last time i checked this was the blue jackets section who you want to talk about? prusek

[Savior 61]

Both are in a class atleast one step above Nash.
They are better at play making yes.

But when it comes to scoring goals, Nash owns both of them. He has well just say half of what Ovechkin has in less than half a season, thats enough said, you cant even argue it.

[charlio lemieux]

Nash is a better goal scorer than Ovechkin?

How can you say that?

I don't agree, but it doesn't matter. Ovechkin is still the better player by a fair margin.

[Savior 61]

Nash is a better goal scorer than Ovechkin?

How can you say that?

I don't agree, but it doesn't matter. Ovechkin is still the better player by a fair margin.
Did you NOT read my post?

Nash hasnt played half of a season and he has 29 goals. Lets say he did play half which is around 5-7 more games. so lets say he JUST has 30 if he was healthy for those 5-7 more games.

He would be around 65-70 goals right now, Ovechkin has what, 50 and hes been healthy all season?

Dont even talk to me anymore.

[charlio lemieux]

So, give Ovechkin Fedorov and Zherdev and see what he does.

[Savior 61]

So, give Ovechkin Fedorov and Zherdev and see what he does.
You just said a goal scorer such as Nash took this long to get his first Hat Trick, correct?

A GOOD hockey player will score NO MATTER who they are with. Fedorov sucks dude, i'd rather have Zubrus than Fedorov.

[charlio lemieux]

You just said a goal scorer such as Nash took this long to get his first Hat Trick, correct?



I think you need to re-read that post. You missed something.

I'm sure Zubrus would rather have Ovechkin than Nash.

RICK NASH L................. CBJ 49 29 20 49
ALEXANDER OVECHKIN L WSH 76 48 51 99

So how is it that Ovechkin has played twice as much as Nash?
76/49 ???? It isn't double according to my math. Perhaps they teach it differently in Ohio?

[swflyers25]

It's a business, the NHL. With the new Free Agent rules and stuff, kids like Nash and Zherdev will most likely want to test the Free Agent waters.

[NashisGod]

I think you need to re-read that post. You missed something.

I'm sure Zubrus would rather have Ovechkin than Nash.

RICK NASH L................. CBJ 49 29 20 49
ALEXANDER OVECHKIN L WSH 76 48 51 99

i would take off at least 10 of those games do to the fact that nash wasn't healthy and wasn't even 50% in shape..he really didn't get into hockey shape probably in at least 15 games..but neway take off those 10 games 39 legit nash at almost full power games

goals nash .74
goals ovechkin .63

ovechkin is great but wait until they both play a full season together before you even try to say 1 is better than the other your not being fair to either when you do that...and also consider who nash plays with...if zherdev passed more nash would get more assists but the only time zherdev passes to nash is when nash is right by the net and ready to score...nash will have a at least 55+ goals next year mark it and ovechkin might be equally the same or better doesn't matter because they are both elite players in the nhl and both are the most valuable players for there teams

[NashisGod]

i'll take nash over ovechkin any day though i garantee nash has a lot more goals by the end of his career than ovechkin

[Man.Utd]

last time i checked this was the blue jackets section who you want to talk about? prusek

Yes. How is he working out for you. :wicked:

[Savior 61]

Yes. How is he working out for you. :wicked:
Hes been in the minors for like tha whole season.

And Exactly God, untill they both play 82 games in one season, well see whats up.

[charlio lemieux]

i'll take nash over ovechkin any day though i garantee nash has a lot more goals by the end of his career than ovechkin

I would love to put some serious money on that.

Too bad their carreers could be 15 years or longer.

[PDO]

Er.. uh... wow.

Ovechkin has made career years for two veteran players. Zubrus has 11 more points and 5 more goals this season in 4 less games than his previous career bests playing alongside AO. Jeff Halpren is having a career year for assists. Chris Clark has become a 20 goal scorer and has 10 more goals than in any of his previous seasons, also 14 more points.

That's something Rick Nash has never done.

Only one player on Washington has more points than Ovechkin has goals.

Ovechkin is also a rookie on a terrible team. Both players are a +2. Rick Nash in his rookie season (on a Columbus team that was much better than this Washington team) was a minus 27.

In 203 career games, Rick Nash has 58 assists.

In 77 career games, Alexander Ovechkin has 51 assists.

Sorry, but it's not even close. AO is a year younger, better in every aspect of the game and there's not a logicial and reasonable person in the world who wouldn't take Alexander Ovechkin over Rick Nash.

Lets compare their careers, just for fun!

Rick Nash = .428 goals per game, .285 assists per game and .713 points per game. He's also a -.3 per game.
Ovechkin = .636 goals per game, .66 assists per game and 1.30 points per game. He's a +.03 per game.

Notice Ovechkin (who is younger!) is better in every single stat, including goals?

[NashisGod]

Er.. uh... wow.

Ovechkin has made career years for two veteran players. Zubrus has 11 more points and 5 more goals this season in 4 less games than his previous career bests playing alongside AO. Jeff Halpren is having a career year for assists. Chris Clark has become a 20 goal scorer and has 10 more goals than in any of his previous seasons, also 14 more points.

That's something Rick Nash has never done.

Only one player on Washington has more points than Ovechkin has goals.

Ovechkin is also a rookie on a terrible team. Both players are a +2. Rick Nash in his rookie season (on a Columbus team that was much better than this Washington team) was a minus 27.

In 203 career games, Rick Nash has 58 assists.

In 77 career games, Alexander Ovechkin has 51 assists.

Sorry, but it's not even close. AO is a year younger, better in every aspect of the game and there's not a logicial and reasonable person in the world who wouldn't take Alexander Ovechkin over Rick Nash.

Lets compare their careers, just for fun!

Rick Nash = .428 goals per game, .285 assists per game and .713 points per game. He's also a -.3 per game.
Ovechkin = .636 goals per game, .66 assists per game and 1.30 points per game. He's a +.03 per game.

Notice Ovechkin (who is younger!) is better in every single stat, including goals?

notice how rick nash played on a line 10x's worse than ovechkin does when he first came into the league...also i would still take the the other two on ovechkin's line over the 2 rick nash plays with...ovechkin is 1 year younger wow....thats a ton he probably isn't even a full year younger....big deal wait until next year...your going to look like an idiot for that comment when nash wins the goal scoring title o yea how many of those does ovechkin have? 0 how many does nash have? 1....dont forget this is the new nhl where the goal scoring is much higher...this is nash's first year also in the new nhl and he has 29 goals in 50 games....take away 15 of those games because of injury and not being in hockey shape and you got 29 goals in basically 35 games of full almost full strength so 29 goals and 21 assists in basically 35 games is pretty damn good...wait until they both play a full season before you try to bring nash down.

[charlio lemieux]

notice how rick nash played on a line 10x's worse than ovechkin does when he first came into the league
So tell which of these guys were Nash's linemates, and please explain how Ovechkin's linemates are 10x better.

2002-03 Columbus
L RAY WHITNEY .......CBJ 81 24 52 76
C ANDREW CASSELS .CBJ 79 20 48 68
L GEOFF SANDERSON CBJ 82 34 33 67
R DAVID VYBORNY.... CBJ 79 20 26 46
C MIKE SILLINGER .....CBJ 75 18 25 43


2005-06 Washington
DAINIUS ZUBRUS .WSH R 67 22 32 54
CHRIS CLARK .......WSH R 74 20 19 39
JEFF HALPERN .....WSH C 66 _9 30 39

Looks to me like Columbus even had some secondary scoring to help take the pressure off Nash. Honestly, it looks like Nash, himself was part of the secondary scoring. Notice how even though they played under the old Clutch and grab NHL Nash's teammates outscore Ovechkins teammates by quite a margin.

ovechkin is 1 year younger wow....thats a ton he probably isn't even a full year younger
Ovechkin, Sept. 17, 1985
Nash, June 16, 1984


take away 15 of those games because of injury and not being in hockey shape
That's Bull****. He was good to go when he came back. His timing might have been off but these guys don't come back at 80%. Yesterday it was 10 games that should be taken away. By Friday he'll have 30 goals in 25 games.

[LiAmTrAnSdEmOn]

You can make a small case for Nash being better than Ovechkin, but I don't agree with it. I think Danius Zubrus is pretty underrated, and is partly responsible for AO's +/-. But even still Ovechkin blows Nash out of the water defensively. And the same could be said for Nash playing with Federov.

Offensively, they are closer but the edge still goes to Ovechkin. Nash maybe did come back at 80%, he did earlier in the year and was out again for another month. But I don't think he took 15 games to get back into hockey shape. Maybe 10 games, at the most. Nash still has the better offensive support, with Zherdev and Federov. In the Goal of the Year thread, we have all seen the talent that Zherdev possesses. Both create room for each other to move around, and Federov still has an above average ability to pass the puck. The teammates don't compare offensively. Nash has the better ones offensively.

All this breaks down to Alexander Ovechkin being better than Nash right now, and probably in the future.

[NashisGod]

So tell which of these guys were Nash's linemates, and please explain how Ovechkin's linemates are 10x better.

2002-03 Columbus
L RAY WHITNEY .......CBJ 81 24 52 76
C ANDREW CASSELS .CBJ 79 20 48 68
L GEOFF SANDERSON CBJ 82 34 33 67
R DAVID VYBORNY.... CBJ 79 20 26 46
C MIKE SILLINGER .....CBJ 75 18 25 43


2005-06 Washington
DAINIUS ZUBRUS .WSH R 67 22 32 54
CHRIS CLARK .......WSH R 74 20 19 39
JEFF HALPERN .....WSH C 66 _9 30 39

Looks to me like Columbus even had some secondary scoring to help take the pressure off Nash. Honestly, it looks like Nash, himself was part of the secondary scoring. Notice how even though they played under the old Clutch and grab NHL Nash's teammates outscore Ovechkins teammates by quite a margin.


Ovechkin, Sept. 17, 1985
Nash, June 16, 1984



That's Bull****. He was good to go when he came back. His timing might have been off but these guys don't come back at 80%. Yesterday it was 10 games that should be taken away. By Friday he'll have 30 goals in 25 games.

no your wrong he was in absolutly no shape at all he had a leg injury which keeps him from doing any cardio vascular thanks..it's a 10-15 range that took him to get into decent shape...wait until next year like i said...and nash never got a lot of playing time his first year....we are comparing now not nash's first year to ovechkin's first year

[NashisGod]

You can make a small case for Nash being better than Ovechkin, but I don't agree with it. I think Danius Zubrus is pretty underrated, and is partly responsible for AO's +/-. But even still Ovechkin blows Nash out of the water defensively. And the same could be said for Nash playing with Federov.

Offensively, they are closer but the edge still goes to Ovechkin. Nash maybe did come back at 80%, he did earlier in the year and was out again for another month. But I don't think he took 15 games to get back into hockey shape. Maybe 10 games, at the most. Nash still has the better offensive support, with Zherdev and Federov. In the Goal of the Year thread, we have all seen the talent that Zherdev possesses. Both create room for each other to move around, and Federov still has an above average ability to pass the puck. The teammates don't compare offensively. Nash has the better ones offensively.

All this breaks down to Alexander Ovechkin being better than Nash right now, and probably in the future.


you have to watch the blue jackets game to know what we mean....if you just watched any of there games you will see why zherdev and nash shouldn't be on the same line zherdev hasn't developed into the team player yet and a lot of the time he does his own thing...that top line doesn't ever cycle the puck if they did nash would have assists on a lot of zherdev's goals but he doesn't...

[Savior 61]

Er.. uh... wow.

Ovechkin has made career years for two veteran players. Zubrus has 11 more points and 5 more goals this season in 4 less games than his previous career bests playing alongside AO. Jeff Halpren is having a career year for assists. Chris Clark has become a 20 goal scorer and has 10 more goals than in any of his previous seasons, also 14 more points.

That's something Rick Nash has never done.

Only one player on Washington has more points than Ovechkin has goals.

Ovechkin is also a rookie on a terrible team. Both players are a +2. Rick Nash in his rookie season (on a Columbus team that was much better than this Washington team) was a minus 27.

In 203 career games, Rick Nash has 58 assists.

In 77 career games, Alexander Ovechkin has 51 assists.

Sorry, but it's not even close. AO is a year younger, better in every aspect of the game and there's not a logicial and reasonable person in the world who wouldn't take Alexander Ovechkin over Rick Nash.

Lets compare their careers, just for fun!

Rick Nash = .428 goals per game, .285 assists per game and .713 points per game. He's also a -.3 per game.
Ovechkin = .636 goals per game, .66 assists per game and 1.30 points per game. He's a +.03 per game.

Notice Ovechkin (who is younger!) is better in every single stat, including goals?
Ovechkin has also been healthy all season. When Nasher came back, he wasnt even 100%.

Im not gonna tell you again, Ovechkin is a better at getting assists and I wont even argue that. But when it comes to goal scoring, Nash is better than Ovechkin.

Just wait untill the play 82 games and are fairly healthy, lmfao. Ive already went through the stats. Nash could have anywhere from 65-70 goals right now if he didnt miss one game and was healthy in the games that he played in when he was 100%.

[Savior 61]

So tell which of these guys were Nash's linemates, and please explain how Ovechkin's linemates are 10x better.

2002-03 Columbus
L RAY WHITNEY .......CBJ 81 24 52 76
C ANDREW CASSELS .CBJ 79 20 48 68
L GEOFF SANDERSON CBJ 82 34 33 67
R DAVID VYBORNY.... CBJ 79 20 26 46
C MIKE SILLINGER .....CBJ 75 18 25 43


2005-06 Washington
DAINIUS ZUBRUS .WSH R 67 22 32 54
CHRIS CLARK .......WSH R 74 20 19 39
JEFF HALPERN .....WSH C 66 _9 30 39

Looks to me like Columbus even had some secondary scoring to help take the pressure off Nash. Honestly, it looks like Nash, himself was part of the secondary scoring. Notice how even though they played under the old Clutch and grab NHL Nash's teammates outscore Ovechkins teammates by quite a margin.


Ovechkin, Sept. 17, 1985
Nash, June 16, 1984



That's Bull****. He was good to go when he came back. His timing might have been off but these guys don't come back at 80%. Yesterday it was 10 games that should be taken away. By Friday he'll have 30 goals in 25 games.
Now your realizes that were winning this arguement, so now your gonna say that its bull**** that he took off 15 games. Nash WASNT healthy when he came back, yeah he was good enough to play. But its the same thing as being a Modano, hurt his knee and he couldnt even skate last night, why? Because he WASNT HEALTHY.

And you can honestly say you think Zubrus sucks? Zubrus is underrated. People overlook him way too much and Ovechkin has re-made him.

Cassels was never a line mate with Nash, the only people that were ever on a real line with Nash are Vyborny and Sillinger. Nash has probably played with them on lines before, but they weren permanent.

[charlio lemieux]

no your wrong he was in absolutly no shape at all he had a leg injury which keeps him from doing any cardio vascular thanks..it's a 10-15 range that took him to get into decent shape...wait until next year like i said...and nash never got a lot of playing time his first year....we are comparing now not nash's first year to ovechkin's first year

So he never did any rehab before coming back to play?

That is rediculous.
12/14/2005
Nash, who has been out of the Columbus lineup for roughly six weeks with a knee injury, is skating again with his teammates. The Blue Jackets' star told the Canadian Press that he's still "about a week or so away" from returning to game action.
12/17/2005
The Columbus Dispatch reported that Nash will be a game-day decision for the Blue Jackets. The left wing has suffered from a sprained knee and high ankle sprain this season and has not played since Nov. 3. He has only played in three games this season and has not scored a point.
12/18/2005
The Blue Jackets activated Nash off the injured list prior to Saturday's 7-3 loss at Nashville. The left wing scored his first goal of the season on a first period power play. Nash had missed 17 games with a sprained left knee.
1/9/2006
Nash had a goal and an assist in the Blue Jackets' 5-2 win over Phoenix on Sunday. Nash has a five-game point streak, with six goals and three assists during that span.

Lets recap.

December 17 he is activated, and immediately scores a goal.
January 8, he has a goal and an assist, which gives him a 5 game point streak, in which he has scored 6 goals and had 3 assists.
The point streak goes back to December 30th.

That leaves 5 games between his December 17th activation and the start of his almost 2ppg 5 game point streak. Let's look at those games.

December 20 V. Detroit. According to NHL.com Nash score 1 goal.
December 21 V. Dallas. According to NHL.com Nash score 1 goal.
December 23 V. Nashville. According to NHL.com Nash was pointless.
December 26 V. Chicago. According to NHL.com Nash was pointless.
December 28 V. Anaheim. According to NHL.com Nash was pointless.

So after his return he has a goal in each of his first three games. Then after going pointless for three games , he goes on a 5 game point streak.
So overall he has points in 8 of his first 11 games back from the knee injury.

I'm sorry but this whole 10-15 games of not being able to play is absurd.

[NashisGod]

i think we can agree to disagree the way i take out the 10 games is a weird way to do things nobody else would do it therfore im probably wrong but regardless no1 will change there opinion so it doesn't really matter just wait until they both play a full season

[Savior 61]

So he never did any rehab before coming back to play?

That is rediculous.

Lets recap.

December 17 he is activated, and immediately scores a goal.
January 8, he has a goal and an assist, which gives him a 5 game point streak, in which he has scored 6 goals and had 3 assists.
The point streak goes back to December 30th.

That leaves 5 games between his December 17th activation and the start of his almost 2ppg 5 game point streak. Let's look at those games.

December 20 V. Detroit. According to NHL.com Nash score 1 goal.
December 21 V. Dallas. According to NHL.com Nash score 1 goal.
December 23 V. Nashville. According to NHL.com Nash was pointless.
December 26 V. Chicago. According to NHL.com Nash was pointless.
December 28 V. Anaheim. According to NHL.com Nash was pointless.

So after his return he has a goal in each of his first three games. Then after going pointless for three games , he goes on a 5 game point streak.
So overall he has points in 8 of his first 11 games back from the knee injury.

I'm sorry but this whole 10-15 games of not being able to play is absurd.
Thats my point, when he came back Jeff Rimer and Brian Engblom were going crazy because after a Detroit game where he looked unstoppable, they wanted to interveiw him before the next game, so they did.

Nash said he wasnt 100% on the interveiws, Rimer and Engblom started making a big deal by saying, "Well if hes playing this good, then how good can he possibly get at 100%?"

I specifically remember it, thats when I called him savior.