Wildboy im curious why you are down on rick nash

[NashisGod]

answer me what has he done with his play that has you so down on him enough to make comments that he isn't playing on the 1st line because he isn't good enough...im curious...

[charlio lemieux]

LMAO

NashiG, several of us have been wondering the same thing.

Just for kicks, check out the international hockey section. LMAO

[wildboy26]

I dont like him because his is overhyped:

1)The year he became the youngest in history to lead the league in goal scoring he wasnt even in the top 40 in point scoring if I believe, making the achievement overrated.

2)He has never been part of a "winning" team at a major level. Every time he has been at a World juniors, Worlds, Olympics, the team he has lost, the two years he skipped out of Worlds with modest excuses the team won. The good news is since he will never be part of a Team Canada again he will never have a chance to cost Canada another gold medal.

3)He is not an all around player. All he is is a goal scorer. He cant play defence, cant pass, cant play in the neutral zone.

4)He has never won an individual award at any level. His performance at the World Championship was overrated, it was outstanding I admit, but still overrated since people say he was the best player at Worlds. Yet he was not named the best forward, Kovalev was, or the MVP Thornton was, so how can he be called the best player from Worlds that year in reports that come out when he did not win an individual award of any kind? That is the way he is overhyped and overrated even when he does well that annoys me.

I just him very overrated for the reasons stated above and when athletes are overrated for the abilities they have shown, or what they have achieved, it annoys me.

[Madferret]

Wildboy26 I remember when you were flipping out at the prospect of Crosby making it over Nash and Nash not being selected at all.

[NashisGod]

I dont like him because his is overhyped:

1)The year he became the youngest in history to lead the league in goal scoring he wasnt even in the top 40 in point scoring if I believe, making the achievement overrated.

2)He has never been part of a "winning" team at a major level. Every time he has been at a World juniors, Worlds, Olympics, the team he has lost, the two years he skipped out of Worlds with modest excuses the team won. The good news is since he will never be part of a Team Canada again he will never have a chance to cost Canada another gold medal.

3)He is not an all around player. All he is is a goal scorer. He cant play defence, cant pass, cant play in the neutral zone.

4)He has never won an individual award at any level. His performance at the World Championship was overrated, it was outstanding I admit, but still overrated since people say he was the best player at Worlds. Yet he was not named the best forward, Kovalev was, or the MVP Thornton was, so how can he be called the best player from Worlds that year in reports that come out when he did not win an individual award of any kind? That is the way he is overhyped and overrated even when he does well that annoys me.

I just him very overrated for the reasons stated above and when athletes are overrated for the abilities they have shown, or what they have achieved, it annoys me.


1) Thats a terrible statement to make considering he was the only offensive threat on the team...nobody on that team could bury the puck into the net. Nash is a shooter not a passer. He was on a line with marchant and vyborny two players that aren't really big time scorers. With his style of play he isn't going to get very many assists since you always find him standing right in front of the net in the offensive zone.

2) So your blaming it all on him the fact that nobody on team canada could score. Last time i checked they got shut out those final games. Right now it seems to me he's the biggest reason why the blue jackets have competed and beaten a lot of teams lately.

3) Your wrong he can pass...but he's the scorer on that line he thinks drive to the net first before he passes. If you watch blue jackets at all you would know that his defensive game is comming along very good lately he's becoming more and more of an all around player lately, saying he can't play in the neutral zone i couldn't disagree more with that statement considering he dekes the hell out of players all the time going north and south...sure he doesn't do the east west moves thats because thats not his game.

4) He didn't win the individual awards but did you see the way him and thorton played together it was nasty...he did very well, the fact that you call him overrated his crazy, he performs on the ice when the puck is in his hand. he's been consistent for a horrible franchise when healthy and just wait until next year you'll be eating your words when he scores 50+ goals

[MadDevil]

1)The year he became the youngest in history to lead the league in goal scoring he wasnt even in the top 40 in point scoring if I believe, making the achievement overrated.


41 goals for a second year player in what was then the clutch-and-grab NHL is an overrated achievement? By the way, if he played all 82 games this season, he'd be on pace for 44 goals and 80 points. I guess that's overrated as well?


2)He has never been part of a "winning" team at a major level. Every time he has been at a World juniors, Worlds, Olympics, the team he has lost, the two years he skipped out of Worlds with modest excuses the team won. The good news is since he will never be part of a Team Canada again he will never have a chance to cost Canada another gold medal.


I really don't see what the hell any of that has to do with how good of a player Nash is. The last time I checked, there's a lot more to winning anything internationally than a single player. To say that he was the single reason his team's lost is pretty far-fetchd. As for the last statement, Canada would be stupid not to put Rick Nash on any International team again. He's one of the most dangerous goal scorers out there when healthy.


3)He is not an all around player. All he is is a goal scorer. He cant play defence, cant pass, cant play in the neutral zone.

So is Ilya Kovalchuk, but I don't hear you ripping him. Don't forget that Nash is 21 ******* years old. Give the kid more than a couple seasons to learn how to play defense. Besides, Nash isn't getting paid to play defense, he's getting paid to score. By the way, Nash is one of 4 players on the entire Columbus roster with a positive +/-. I suppose that stat is overated as well though?;)

[charlio lemieux]

I dont like him because his is overhyped:

1)The year he became the youngest in history to lead the league in goal scoring he wasnt even in the top 40 in point scoring if I believe, making the achievement overrated.
Funny how you don't get assists when no one else on the team can score.

2)He has never been part of a "winning" team at a major level. Every time he has been at a World juniors, Worlds, Olympics, the team he has lost, the two years he skipped out of Worlds with modest excuses the team won. The good news is since he will never be part of a Team Canada again he will never have a chance to cost Canada another gold medal.
I've been part of several winning teams. There wasn't a single one that was a winner because of one player.

3)He is not an all around player. All he is is a goal scorer. He cant play defence, cant pass, cant play in the neutral zone.
He's on pace for 44 goals 36 assists and 80 points. He must have passed the puck atleast 36 times.
Defense and Neutral zone play is learned over time. Why not give him some.

4)He has never won an individual award at any level. His performance at the World Championship was overrated, it was outstanding I admit, but still overrated since people say he was the best player at Worlds. Yet he was not named the best forward, Kovalev was, or the MVP Thornton was, so how can he be called the best player from Worlds that year in reports that come out when he did not win an individual award of any kind? That is the way he is overhyped and overrated even when he does well that annoys me.
So sharing the Rocket Richard Trophy is nothing. Just because he shared it you still consider him to have "never won an individual award at any level"?
Interesting theory. So if you and your future wife were to have a baby, since you share it, would that mean you have never been a parent?

I just him very overrated for the reasons stated above and when athletes are overrated for the abilities they have shown, or what they have achieved, it annoys me.
If someone does what is expected from them they are not overrated.
He is producing almost a PPG offensively. Is that what is expected of him?

Yes it is. So he is not overrated.

[wildboy26]

Well since he will probably never be part of another international team for Canada, I wont have the chance for my theory to continue to be proven of how when Nash is on the team the team will automaticaly not win the gold medal. However in the very unlikely event he is ever on another team Canada, my theory will continue to be proven right:

2003 World Championships-Nash turned down for some lame reason, Canada won gold.

2004 World Championships-Nash had a sore throat, did not go, Canada won gold.

2005 World Championships-Nash went, Canada did not win gold.

2006 Olympics-Nash went, Canada lost in the quarters.

Once again since it is very unlikely he will ever be on another Team Canada, since he will turn down any offers to go to Worlds probably, and never be picked for a World Cup or another Olympics, I will probably not get any chance to see my theory continue to be proven correct. That is good news for Canada though.

[wildboy26]

41 goals for a second year player in what was then the clutch-and-grab NHL is an overrated achievement? By the way, if he played all 82 games this season, he'd be on pace for 44 goals and 80 points. I guess that's overrated as well?

No I dont consider that impressive actually, not for the level of overhype he has. There are over 30 players who are currently over a PPG, Nash is under a PPG so would not be doing something over 30 players are doing even if he had been healthy all year. He is clearly below the pace of other young players like Crosby, Ovechkin, Staal, Cheechoo and Spezza who are all over a PPG, they have bypassed him like a Royals Royce flying by a Jalopy.

[NashisGod]

No I dont consider that impressive actually, not for the level of overhype he has. There are over 30 players who are currently over a PPG, Nash is under a PPG so would not be doing something over 30 players are doing even if he had been healthy all year. He is clearly below the pace of other young players like Crosby, Ovechkin, Staal, Cheechoo and Spezza who are all over a PPG, they have bypassed him like a Royals Royce flying by a Jalopy.

i just think your giving the guy undeserving critisizm especially since he's been the only scoring threat on the blue jackets since he came into the league...zherdev is comming along but other than zherdev they dont have consistent scorers...all those other players mentioned have a player on the roster that compliments them...nash doesn't have a player to compliment him

[wildboy26]

i just think your giving the guy undeserving critisizm especially since he's been the only scoring threat on the blue jackets since he came into the league...zherdev is comming along but other than zherdev they dont have consistent scorers...all those other players mentioned have a player on the roster that compliments them...nash doesn't have a player to compliment him

Really you believe Crosby and Ovechkin have players that compliment them on their teams? Maybe Ziggy Palffy was but he played less than half the season. I believe Vyborny compliments Nash well personaly, the games I have seen them play they have good on-ice chemistry, and Vyborny had almost the same number of points as Nash when they played together in 03-04, which is probably why they were put back on the same line again.

[NashisGod]

Really you believe Crosby and Ovechkin have players that compliment them on their teams? Maybe Ziggy Palffy was but he played less than half the season. I believe Vyborny compliments Nash well personaly, the games I have seen them play they have good on-ice chemistry, and Vyborny had almost the same number of points as Nash when they played together in 03-04, which is probably why they were put back on the same line again.

Vyborny is very inconsistent goes large numbers of games without goals. Vyborny is a pass first player which shows for nash's goals scored in 03-04 he is not a scoring threat which is why nash doesn't get assists. and you have no reason why nash isn't on the 1st line. i watch every game and i've already heard several times why nash is on the 2nd line. because they want picard to play on a line he can have success on. which means they can't put him on the 3rd line because that line has been very hot lately. they can't put him on the 4th line because he's not a checker. so they go with putting him on the first line and giving him the best chance to score because defenses will be focused on zherdev and federov and with nash on the 2nd line thats giving more balanced stats throughout the lines. where as before all the points were comming from the 1st and 3rd line. now with nash on the 2nd line it's giving the 1st 2nd and 3rd line points. nash is on the 2nd line to help vyborny and balastik because they are both horribly inconsistent scoring and should really be the 3rd line...balastic can't score during the game and vyborny goes 10-15 games between each goal it seems like with nash there it gives vyborny more of a chance to score because the defenders will be focused on nash

[NashisGod]

Really you believe Crosby and Ovechkin have players that compliment them on their teams? Maybe Ziggy Palffy was but he played less than half the season. I believe Vyborny compliments Nash well personaly, the games I have seen them play they have good on-ice chemistry, and Vyborny had almost the same number of points as Nash when they played together in 03-04, which is probably why they were put back on the same line again.

i really can't argue that point...i think maybe i made a ludacris statement on that point...but...yea....i dunno i give up on it you have your opinion and i have mine

[wildboy26]

Vyborny is very inconsistent goes large numbers of games without goals. Vyborny is a pass first player which shows for nash's goals scored in 03-04 he is not a scoring threat which is why nash doesn't get assists. and you have no reason why nash isn't on the 1st line. i watch every game and i've already heard several times why nash is on the 2nd line. because they want picard to play on a line he can have success on. which means they can't put him on the 3rd line because that line has been very hot lately. they can't put him on the 4th line because he's not a checker. so they go with putting him on the first line and giving him the best chance to score because defenses will be focused on zherdev and federov and with nash on the 2nd line thats giving more balanced stats throughout the lines. where as before all the points were comming from the 1st and 3rd line. now with nash on the 2nd line it's giving the 1st 2nd and 3rd line points. nash is on the 2nd line to help vyborny and balastik because they are both horribly inconsistent scoring and should really be the 3rd line...balastic can't score during the game and vyborny goes 10-15 games between each goal it seems like with nash there it gives vyborny more of a chance to score because the defenders will be focused on nash

Those are all good points. Maybe I jumped the gun to the implications of Nash being moved down to the second line. Since the move the line has done well so maybe they should stick with it.

[NashisGod]

they put the top line back together lastnight and nash now has 26 goals

interesting stat that shows you might give him some undeserving critisism is that since rick nashs first game this year he has the 2nd most goals in the nhl only trailing cheecho

[wildboy26]

they put the top line back together lastnight and nash now has 26 goals

interesting stat that shows you might give him some undeserving critisism is that since rick nashs first game this year he has the 2nd most goals in the nhl only trailing cheecho

I did not know that last stat. Where is he in total points among NHLers since his return?

[NashisGod]

I did not know that last stat. Where is he in total points among NHLers since his return?

it probably isn't as high as his goals but im sure he's got to be up there in at least the top 20 but he doesn't get a lot of assists so i really don't know that stat myself