Nash demoted to second line!

[wildboy26]

Nash has recently been demoted to the second line in Columbus. The coach basicaly says he is not good enough to play on the 1st line so he moved him off the first line with Zherdev and Federov and to the second line with Vrbony. This guy totally sucks now, he is only the 5th or 6th best forward on an extremely weak Columbus Blue Jackets team. Next year he will probably have an occasional stint in the minor leagues. His career is toast, I am so glad he will never play for Canada again at another international event.

[Newfie John]

:violin:

[KB in Kelowna]

Yea let's write this guy off, he is what 22/23 years old. He can't cut it ship him out













In case you haven't guessed this what us old folks call SARCASM.

[wildboy26]

Well in Columbus he is clearly considered inferior to Federer, Zherdev, Vyborny, and Hrdina. He is only the 5th best player in Columbus, and Columbus is a horrable team, one of the worst in the NHL as their record suggest. How good is somebody who is the 5th best forward on a horrable horrable team? Not very good at all, no matter how much hype he has.

There is a reason the coach gives Federov and Zherdev more 5-on-5 and more PP time every single game than Nash. There is a reason Nash was demoted to the second line by the coach and replaced by Picard(LOL!). Yes the coach must really think Nash is something else, he is too weak to play on the first line on the horrable Blue jackets, ROTFL!

[charlio lemieux]

So I guess Alfredsson was too weak to play on the first line with Spezza and Heatley and that's why he was moved to the second line with Arnason.

It had nothing to do with spreading out the offense.
Just like moving Nash had nothing to do with trying to get him away from the top checking unit and get him producing again. They moved him because at the ripe old age of 22 or 23 he can no longer contribute at an elite level.
Why other teams waste their time on old guys like Jagr, Thornton, Datsyuk, Lecavalier and Forsberg who all have passed the ripe old age of 25. Some of them are even over 30. How could someone that old be expected to contribute. Might as well just let them go.

[Newfie John]

Think before you speak.

[J.R.]

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: This guy totally sucks now, he is only the 5th or 6th best forward on an extremely weak Columbus Blue Jackets team. Next year he will probably have an occasional stint in the minor leagues. His career is toast, I am so glad he will never play for Canada again at another international event.What?

:rolleyes:

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

Can't we ban people for being annoying?

[wildboy26]

Nash will be demoted to the 3rd line soon and I will be hear to crow about it when it happens.

[KB in Kelowna]

Nash will be demoted to the 3rd line soon and I will be hear to crow about it when it happens.
Explain your reasoning why he''ll be demoted to third line staus, or do you just get this from the Psycic Freinds Network?

[MadDevil]

Oh my god, Patrik Elias has been playing on the second line lately, while Zach Parise has been playing on the top line. I guess Elias is now considered inferior to Parise.:rolleyes:

Have you heard about trying to create more than one scoring line before? I mean seriously, WTF does getting demoted to the second line have to do with how good a player is? What kind of personal agenda do you have against Nash anyway? It seems like every time he does something wrong, you're the first to jump on it. I just don't get it...

[wildboy26]

Nash is considered far inferior to Zherdev, Federov, and even Vyborny by the coaches as well. Since he has returned from his injury he has regularly been getting less ice team on both 5-on-5 and the PP than Zherdev, Federov, and Vyborny. If the coach really believed he was the best player on the team he would be getting the most ice team on 5-on-5 and the power play, but he regularly has gotten less than those 3. So obviously I am not the only one that regards him as at best the 4th best forward in Columbus, and slipping.
He started the team as the best and now he is no more than 4th best. His age does not matter, pointing out he is only 22 is meaningless to what I am saying, in fact it shows how fast he is slipping, at 19 he led the league in goal scoring, the youngest ever to do so, and now he is only the 4th best forward on an extremely weak team at 22, that is fast slippage indeed.

[wildboy26]

Explain your reasoning why he''ll be demoted to third line staus, or do you just get this from the Psycic Freinds Network?

Because the Vyborny-Nash combo is not going to work, so they will try somebody else on Vyborny's line.

[KB in Kelowna]

I hope nobody writes you off in the real world because of a poor performacne between the ages of 22 and 26.

[wildboy26]

I hope nobody writes you off in the real world because of a poor performacne between the ages of 22 and 26.


So you are atleast admitting his performance has been "poor" compared to pre-season expectations for him then?

[MadDevil]

He started the team as the best and now he is no more than 4th best. His age does not matter, pointing out he is only 22 is meaningless to what I am saying, in fact it shows how fast he is slipping, at 19 he led the league in goal scoring, the youngest ever to do so, and now he is only the 4th best forward on an extremely weak team at 22, that is fast slippage indeed.

And we all know that no other young player has ever slipped a bit in a year when they were hampered with injuries. And what a horrible season 22 goals and 19 assists in 43 games is. He should be completely ashamed to have fallen so far.:rolleyes:

[wildboy26]

Yes it is absolutely great to be going from becoming the best player on your team at only 19, to starting the season at 21 as the best player on your team to dropping to no better then only the 4th best forward on your extremely weak team that same year now age 22, and turning in such a lame performance at the Olympics you were on the bench for the final 2.3 games and had fans hollering players your own age like Spezza or Staal should have been on the team instead of you. There is nothing to be concerned about, your play is on the right track and so is your career.

Yes and having just under a point per game in the new NHL is a phenomenal achievement, when as a 19 year old you tied for the league lead in goals, and came into the year after your performance at the World Championships, regarded as the best 22-under player in the World(you would have heard almost nobody dispute this before the year, but now there is nobody who would have him even in the top 3, in fact he is now atleast 2 levels below Crosby, Ovechkin, Staal, and Spezza)and one of the top 5-10 forward in the NHL. So now a truly phenomenal achievement to almost but not quite be doing what over 30 people are actually doing this year(atleast a PPG)and numerous players younger than you are easily doing this year.

[MadDevil]

Do you have a personal vendetta against Rick Nash for any particular reason? It seems to me that you're jumping to a lot of conclusions based on what line he's playing on. I just don't see where you get the idea that Columbus management considers him inferior just because they moved him to the second line. Could you explain it to the rest of us?

[KB in Kelowna]

So you are atleast admitting his performance has been "poor" compared to pre-season expectations for him then?
He was injured, Columbus as a team underpreformed. Many players on many teams have not met the expectations that were set for them by thier teams, the media, the fans and in some cases themselves. As a Canuck fan I am very familar with this phenomena, however unlike you I haven't taken out some sort of weird internet vendetta against them. Players have bad seasons/ Some players are a flash in the pan and are never as good again. I suspect Rick Nash will bounce back and will be amongst the NHL leaders in goals in the next few seasons. I won't "garauntee" any Art Ross, or Rocket Richard trophies as that would be silly. If I could predict anything I would try the 649 or Super7 lotto's instead :laughing:

[wildboy26]

Do you have a personal vendetta against Rick Nash for any particular reason? It seems to me that you're jumping to a lot of conclusions based on what line he's playing on. I just don't see where you get the idea that Columbus management considers him inferior just because they moved him to the second line. Could you explain it to the rest of us?

I said it multiple times that Zherdev, Federov, and Vyborny have been consistently getting more ice time on both 5-on-5 and the PP(I distinguish those two areas so the fact Nash not playing on the PK is not factored in) in practicaly every single game since he returned from his injury. Yes most teams regularly give the player they can consider their best forward less ice time on 5-on-5 and the PP than 3 other players, 2 who were on the same line(Zherdev and Federov). That is very typical of teams to give the player they consider their best player less ice time than 3 others, even while they were playing on the first line, it is very common indeed. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[MadDevil]

That's a nice answer, but it still doesn't explain how Nash's being moved to the second line proves that he "sucks now" or how next year he will "have an occasional stint in the minor leagues, or how "his career is toast".

I guess since Jarome Iginla is having a subpar year compared to previous seasons that he sucks now and his career is toast as well? I mean seriously, players have bad seasons all the time, so why is it so shocking that a young player who has had multiple injuries is having a subpar year?

You're drawing way too many conclusions based on a players ice time IMO, and judging by posts you have made in the past about Nash, leads me to believe that you personally have something against him.

[wildboy26]

How on earth is noting that a player is given considerably less ice time than 3 other forwards on his team, even while he was playing on the first line, being a sign the coach clearly does not consider him the best, or even one of the 2 or 3 best forwards on his own team not make sense? Name me a single team where their so-called "best forward" regularly gets less ice time on both the PP and 5-on-5 than not one, but three other forwards, even while playing on the first line? Maybe when somebody gives me an example or two of another team where this situation plays out I will see how this is irrelevant.

[charlio lemieux]

Van.
Morrison is now on the third line.

Mtl.
Kovalev has been playing on the third line lately.

Ott.
Alfredsson moved to the second line when Arnason arrived.

Bos.
Murray is on the second line behind Sturm.

Car.
Brind'amour and several other 'canes, get more ice time than Staal.

Min.
Rolston plays more than Gaborik.

Phi.
Knuble plays more than Kapanen

NJ
Mogilny plays in the minors. *Pure genius Lou. :thumb:

NYI
Yashin gets more ice time than the water boy. Totally unfair.:D

[MadDevil]

wildboy, I'm not trying to say that Nash should still be considered the best player on his team, I'm just trying to figure out how you justify your comments about Nash sucking, and his career being toast because of one bad season. Because Nash is having only nearly a point-per-game season, he's finished?

Anyway, it's obvious you're too blinded by your hatred of Rick Nash to reasonably argue this point anymore.:thumb:

[wildboy26]

Van.
Morrison is now on the third line.

Mtl.
Kovalev has been playing on the third line lately.

Ott.
Alfredsson moved to the second line when Arnason arrived.

Bos.
Murray is on the second line behind Sturm.

Car.
Brind'amour and several other 'canes, get more ice time than Staal.

Min.
Rolston plays more than Gaborik.

Phi.
Knuble plays more than Kapanen

NJ
Mogilny plays in the minors. *Pure genius Lou. :thumb:

NYI
Yashin gets more ice time than the water boy. Totally unfair.:D

I asked for an example of the "best player" on a team, that is a forward getting far less ice time on a regular basis than 3 other players. None of those players you mentioned except Staal is the best player on their team.

[wildboy26]

wildboy, I'm not trying to say that Nash should still be considered the best player on his team, I'm just trying to figure out how you justify your comments about Nash sucking, and his career being toast because of one bad season. Because Nash is having only nearly a point-per-game season, he's finished?

Anyway, it's obvious you're too blinded by your hatred of Rick Nash to reasonably argue this point anymore.:thumb:

Well he has dropped from being the best player on his team to only the 4th best forward on his team in only 6 months. So if he keeps up that same rate of decline he should be the 7th best forward on his team by next year. In Columbus there are only 5 or 6 forwards who have not spent some time in the minors so.......

[MadDevil]

Well he has dropped from being the best player on his team to only the 4th best forward on his team in only 6 months. So if he keeps up that same rate of decline he should be the 7th best forward on his team by next year. In Columbus there are only 5 or 6 forwards who have not spent some time in the minors so.......

So because Nash was moved from the top line to the second line, now there is a "rate of decline"? And now this "rate of decline" is going to continue throughout his career, and he'll go back to the minors? I'd like to know where the hell you got that fact from.

I think we've all figured out that you have an irrational hatred of Rick Nash for some reason, and like to find any little bit of "proof" that justifies that hatred. I'd love to see the proof you have that Nash's career is "toast" and he "suck now".:rolleyes:




Why do I even bother?

[wildboy26]

So because Nash was moved from the top line to the second line, now there is a "rate of decline"? And now this "rate of decline" is going to continue throughout his career, and he'll go back to the minors? I'd like to know where the hell you got that fact from.

I think we've all figured out that you have an irrational hatred of Rick Nash for some reason, and like to find any little bit of "proof" that justifies that hatred. I'd love to see the proof you have that Nash's career is "toast" and he "suck now".:rolleyes:




Why do I even bother?

I told you, my main reason to believe he is now only the 4th best forward in Columbus is his ice time being far less than Zherdev, Federov, and Vyborny since his return, even excluding the PK which he does not play, that is the MAIN reason I believe the coaching staff considers him the 4th best forward behind Zherdev, Federov, and Vyborny. Being demoted to the 2nd line is just a minor additional reason, although sometimes the best player on a team is demoted to the 2nd line as you said. It is mostly his ice time, even while he was on the 1st line all that time that makes me think that. You also have not argued my opinion he is only the 4th best forward in Columbus now anyway.

So yes dropping from the best forward to the 4th best forward on your own team in 6 months, when it is a terrable team at that, is a "rate of decline".
A similar rate of decline next year might have him as the 7th or 8th best forward by next year and the 7th or 8th best forward on the team could have the odd stint in the minors since only 5 or 6 forwards on Columbus spent no time in the minors this year.

As for his career being toast, relative to what is looked like his career would be before this year his career is toast. He will never play for a Team Canada again probably, he is only the 4th best forward on a horrable team, why would they want him on a Team Canada(also he was the worst player on the whole team at the Olympics). He will never be one of the superstars of the league again. He will still have a fine career for most players, but not for his perceived potential a couple years back.

[KB in Kelowna]

So last night in the Canucks vs LA game, Bertuzzi saw time on a line with Kessler and Burrows, both rookies. I guess since he is not playing with the teams top line his career is now toast by the Wildboy26 theory of line management.. Thus Richard Park who saw time with Markus Naslund and Brendan Morrison is now a top line player.

Sorry for talking Canucks in a Cloumbus thread.

[wildboy26]

So last night in the Canucks vs LA game, Bertuzzi saw time on a line with Kessler and Burrows, both rookies. I guess since he is not playing with the teams top line his career is now toast by the Wildboy26 theory of line management.. Thus Richard Park who saw time with Markus Naslund and Brendan Morrison is now a top line player.

Sorry for talking Canucks in a Cloumbus thread.

You are only talking about ONE game. I am talking about a series of games over the last month or more. Even while Nash was on the first line he was getting only the 4th most ice time, even excluding the PK.

For the record regarding Bertuzzi though his career is going downhill, the only people who did not see it were the idiots who picked the ridiculous Canadian Olympic team that bombed badly in Turin. I doubt they will make the same mistake ever again though, and that goes for alot of players.

[charlio lemieux]

I asked for an example of the "best player" on a team, that is a forward getting far less ice time on a regular basis than 3 other players. None of those players you mentioned except Staal is the best player on their team.

So Gaborik is not the best Player on his team?
So Alfredson is not the one of the two or three best Players on his team?

[PDO]

Nash leads all forwards on his team in ES Icetime / Game and PP icetime / game.

Yawn..

[KB in Kelowna]

Nash leads all forwards on his team in ES Icetime / Game and PP icetime / game.

Yawn..

don't let stats and facts get in the way of the arguement!:laughing: :pimp:

Actually we should give the Rick Nash/Rex Grossman fan props for getting action here in the Columbus forum.

[The Insider]

Rick Nash has 2 goals tonight, #23 & #24 on the season. Not too shabby for someone who we won't be seeing in a year :thumb:

[wildboy26]

Nash leads all forwards on his team in ES Icetime / Game and PP icetime / game.

Yawn..

I am talking about the last month or month and a half. He is 4th on his team in the last month or month and a half, and will be 4th in those categories for the year before seasons end. I am guessing next year he will be averaging less than 15 minutes of ice time per game as the up and comers on the team steal more and more of his ice time.

[NashisGod]

Well in Columbus he is clearly considered inferior to Federer, Zherdev, Vyborny, and Hrdina. He is only the 5th best player in Columbus, and Columbus is a horrable team, one of the worst in the NHL as their record suggest. How good is somebody who is the 5th best forward on a horrable horrable team? Not very good at all, no matter how much hype he has.

There is a reason the coach gives Federov and Zherdev more 5-on-5 and more PP time every single game than Nash. There is a reason Nash was demoted to the second line by the coach and replaced by Picard(LOL!). Yes the coach must really think Nash is something else, he is too weak to play on the first line on the horrable Blue jackets, ROTFL!

your right there is a reason it's because picard is a scorer...if they are going to have a scorer in the lineup why not pair him up with people that will give him the best opprotunity to score....if you've paid attention at all you'll notice that pacard only plays half of a shift and rick nash is out there with federov and zherdev for the other half of the shift plus his shift...it's called mixing things up i really hope your being sarcastic because if your not you seriously have something wrong with you

[NashisGod]

You are only talking about ONE game. I am talking about a series of games over the last month or more. Even while Nash was on the first line he was getting only the 4th most ice time, even excluding the PK.

For the record regarding Bertuzzi though his career is going downhill, the only people who did not see it were the idiots who picked the ridiculous Canadian Olympic team that bombed badly in Turin. I doubt they will make the same mistake ever again though, and that goes for alot of players.

he has the 4th most ice time...hmm so who's getting more? federov zherdev and foote...? i dont know exactly who it is because i haven't seen impg lately but if it's those 3 it's because federov is the all purpose player good at everything and zherdev stays on the ice for a long time after his other linemates go off...and foote is our best defensivemen....Nash takes himself out a lot...i dont think he's in peak shape this year but he has 23 freaken goals in like 42 games...stf^ about it...he would be leading the team in goals by far this season if he was there all year

[butterfly_style]

Van.
Morrison is now on the third line.
What ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/435000/images/_435343_van_morrison300.jpg

Oh Sorry. I read that Van Morrison was on the third line.

[charlio lemieux]

That sure looks like the guy the Canucks have had on the third line.:D

That could explain their position in the standings. :D

[LiAmTrAnSdEmOn]

Nash has been progressively getting better throughout his time in the NHL. His "demotion" to the second line would come in his best year so far in terms of PPG and defensive play. While he came in too late to give CBJ a chance at the playoffs, his return has helped his team win more games than they would have had he stayed on IR for the rest of the season. The Jackets were 9-22 through Rick Nash's injuries, and since his return they have been 20-21. Not a great record considering it's under .500, but it's a hell of a lot better than what they were without Nash. With a healthy Rick Nash throughout the year Columbus may have been battling for one of the lower playoff seeds but coming into the season, that's about where expectations were set. But I guess the Blue Jackets would rather be a dismal team and send Nash down to the minors for short stints than actually impove under one the game's rising stars.

[NashisGod]

he took balastics place on the 2nd line and balastic is playing the right wing position on the 4th line most of the time the 3rd line is mallhotra chimera and letowski...like i said only reason he is on the 2nd line is because picard is up there and he's a natural scorer and gillant feels that the best situation to get points for picard is to play with the top line where picard might fall under the radar of the defenses becuase they will be key'd up on federov and zherdev...where as rick nash can play any line because he's a superstar

[wildboy26]

You do have to admit though that Nash is clearly being bypassed by other players his own age or younger in Canadian hockey. Staal and Spezza are almost the same age but have blown by him. Crosby would have been expected to be the best in a few years, but he has already blown by Nash and he is 18, a full 3 years younger, which wasnt expected before the year to happen. Cheechoo has blown by Nash and nobody would have seen that. He is being blown past by other young players in Canada his own age or younger in just one year, that does not make his future with Canadian hockey imparticular look very good.

[NashisGod]

You do have to admit though that Nash is clearly being bypassed by other players his own age or younger in Canadian hockey. Staal and Spezza are almost the same age but have blown by him. Crosby would have been expected to be the best in a few years, but he has already blown by Nash and he is 18, a full 3 years younger, which wasnt expected before the year to happen. Cheechoo has blown by Nash and nobody would have seen that. He is being blown past by other young players in Canada his own age or younger in just one year, that does not make his future with Canadian hockey imparticular look very good.

nash is 2nd in the leauge in goals scored since his first game...only cheecho is ahead of him....none of those other players have more goals then him...that being said i can see that they will be all close in terms of skill and regardless the future of the nhl looks very good amazing actually with all of these young guys and there offensive skills

[KB in Kelowna]

nash is 2nd in the leauge in goals scored since his first game...only Cheecho is ahead of him....none of those other players have more goals then him...that being said i can see that they will be all close in terms of skill and regardless the future of the nhl looks very good amazing actually with all of these young guys and there offensive skills

Jonathan Cheecho has a tremendous player feeding him the puck named Joe Thornton. Before big Joe arrived in San Jose Cheecho was ok but nobody had penciled him in as a 40-50 goal scorer. Rick Nash playing full time without being injured was on many lists to score 40-50 goals.

[charlio lemieux]

Jonathan Cheecho has a tremendous player feeding him the puck named Joe Thornton. Before big Joe arrived in San Jose Cheecho was ok but nobody had penciled him in as a 40-50 goal scorer. Rick Nash playing full time without being injured was on many lists to score 40-50 goals.

Yup, as good as Fedorov can be, he is a far cry from the set up wizzard, Thornton.

Give Nash a center like Spezza or Thornton and he will be a 60+ goal man imo.

[LiAmTrAnSdEmOn]

You do have to admit though that Nash is clearly being bypassed by other players his own age or younger in Canadian hockey. Staal and Spezza are almost the same age but have blown by him. Crosby would have been expected to be the best in a few years, but he has already blown by Nash and he is 18, a full 3 years younger, which wasnt expected before the year to happen. Cheechoo has blown by Nash and nobody would have seen that. He is being blown past by other young players in Canada his own age or younger in just one year, that does not make his future with Canadian hockey imparticular look very good.

I'll give you Crosby being better than Nash, but from the beginning people would have expected the gap to be pretty small between two. But if you're gonna judge off this year, keep in mind that Nash was hurt for almost half the season. That kinda hurts chemistry. You're playing against guys that are in the flow and mindset of the game. Nash was basically pushed out there when he got healthy and had to start off cold when everyone else was hot.

But to say that Spezza and Staal and these other young Canadians are so much better than Nash is kinda ridiculous. Spezza is a playmaker put in between two of the best goalscorers in the league(Alfredsson and Heatley). Spezza's good but that makes him look much better. Staal has become one of these players that get's praise for the offense he puts out, but ignores defense. He's a minus player on one of the best teams in hockey, what's his excuse??? And his linemates are better than Nash's. Cheechoo has Joe Thornton, nuff said. You may think that these players have blown by Nash but they really haven't. Nash is arguably better than any of these players considering he is starting to pick up his defense, but at worst only barely worse than any of them.

[NashisGod]

Yup, as good as Fedorov can be, he is a far cry from the set up wizzard, Thornton.

Give Nash a center like Spezza or Thornton and he will be a 60+ goal man imo.

o there's no doubt just look at what nash did with thornton last year

[wildboy26]

I'll give you Crosby being better than Nash, but from the beginning people would have expected the gap to be pretty small between two.

I strongly disagree here. Every hockey magazine I read that predicted points and things like that had Nash getting atleast 85 points and finishing in the top 10 atleast in scoring, while a few had him battling for the points race and being over 100 points. The most any of them had Crosby at was 65 points and none had him in the top 30. Also people that generaly talked about what players would do this year most had Nash as atleast a dark horse contender for some type of award, and a lock to make Team Canada(he made it but wasnt a lock at that point like he was in August)and nowhere did I read any predicting Crosby would be as good as Nash THIS YEAR. I think now in hindsight we forget how Nash was coming into the year, arguably being the best player at the World Championships where he was probably robbed of winning atleast one major individual award(he should have won atleast one best forward or MVP), tieing for the NHL lead in goals a full two years ago, and dominating playing with Thornton overseas. So I dont see how you say people were expecting Crosby, who nobody thought would be near the top 10 in scoring this year even though he was predicted by most to win the Calder, would be close with Nash before the year started. However he is not only as good, he been far far better and blown Nash out of the water, and he is 3 years younger and already is blowing him out of the water.


But if you're gonna judge off this year, keep in mind that Nash was hurt for almost half the season. That kinda hurts chemistry. You're playing against guys that are in the flow and mindset of the game. Nash was basically pushed out there when he got healthy and had to start off cold when everyone else was hot.

When he came back he was fully healthy and he had the possable advantage of not dealing with as much fatigue as players who played all year. The factors you talked about probably last only a week.


But to say that Spezza and Staal and these other young Canadians are so much better than Nash is kinda ridiculous. Spezza is a playmaker put in between two of the best goalscorers in the league(Alfredsson and Heatley). Spezza's good but that makes him look much better. Staal has become one of these players that get's praise for the offense he puts out, but ignores defense. He's a minus player on one of the best teams in hockey, what's his excuse??? And his linemates are better than Nash's. Cheechoo has Joe Thornton, nuff said. You may think that these players have blown by Nash but they really haven't. Nash is arguably better than any of these players considering he is starting to pick up his defense, but at worst only barely worse than any of them.

Nash played with Thornton and Gagne at the Olympics and wasnt able to do a thing. I still think Staal, Spezza, Cheechoo, Crosby, are all a big level above Nash right now. In fact I think Staal is better than Crosby right now, and Spezza is atleast similar to Crosby right now, and Crosby is much much better than Nash right now and I mentioned Nash played with Thornton at the Olympics as Cheechoo does now so..........Also if you point out Staal's poor defence why dont you point out Crosby's, his +/- is not only poor but was much weaker than Palffy's when both were on the same line.

[NashisGod]

I strongly disagree here. Every hockey magazine I read that predicted points and things like that had Nash getting atleast 85 points and finishing in the top 10 atleast in scoring, while a few had him battling for the points race and being over 100 points. The most any of them had Crosby at was 65 points and none had him in the top 30. Also people that generaly talked about what players would do this year most had Nash as atleast a dark horse contender for some type of award, and a lock to make Team Canada(he made it but wasnt a lock at that point like he was in August)and nowhere did I read any predicting Crosby would be as good as Nash THIS YEAR. I think now in hindsight we forget how Nash was coming into the year, arguably being the best player at the World Championships where he was probably robbed of winning atleast one major individual award(he should have won atleast one best forward or MVP), tieing for the NHL lead in goals a full two years ago, and dominating playing with Thornton overseas. So I dont see how you say people were expecting Crosby, who nobody thought would be near the top 10 in scoring this year even though he was predicted by most to win the Calder, would be close with Nash before the year started. However he is not only as good, he been far far better and blown Nash out of the water, and he is 3 years younger and already is blowing him out of the water.




When he came back he was fully healthy and he had the possable advantage of not dealing with as much fatigue as players who played all year. The factors you talked about probably last only a week.




Nash played with Thornton and Gagne at the Olympics and wasnt able to do a thing. I still think Staal, Spezza, Cheechoo, Crosby, are all a big level above Nash right now. In fact I think Staal is better than Crosby right now, and Spezza is atleast similar to Crosby right now, and Crosby is much much better than Nash right now and I mentioned Nash played with Thornton at the Olympics as Cheechoo does now so..........

dude those players had so many other things to deal with over there...so many things jet lag time of day being completely different than what they are used to you can't judge anything off of what they did there...thats ludacris to do that....their were so many factors for the reason canada didn't do well...gee i guess all those players are also better than everybody else on team canda also considering nobody did anything for team canada....and you couldn't be more wrong about the fatigue thing...all of those other players were in mid season shape nash was completely out of shape...so he had no advantage over any of them he was at a huge disadvantage with not being able to skate the whole season.

[wildboy26]

dude those players had so many other things to deal with over there...so many things jet lag time of day being completely different than what they are used to you can't judge anything off of what they did there...thats ludacris to do that....their were so many factors for the reason canada didn't do well...gee i guess all those players are also better than everybody else on team canda also considering nobody did anything for team canada....and you couldn't be more wrong about the fatigue thing...all of those other players were in mid season shape nash was completely out of shape...so he had no advantage over any of them he was at a huge disadvantage with not being able to skate the whole season.

I dont understand saying it is impossable to play at a higher level going overseason due to jet lag, time of day changing, etc......Others like Koivu, Ovechkin, Hossa, Selanne, Sundin, Forsberg, Jokinen, dealt with those factors and were as good or better than they have been in the NHL this year.


and you couldn't be more wrong about the fatigue thing...all of those other players were in mid season shape nash was completely out of shape...so he had no advantage over any of them he was at a huge disadvantage with not being able to skate the whole season.

Well if that is the case he should be doing better in PPG, if he stays healthy, than he is doing this year right?

[charlio lemieux]

RICK NASH CBJ L 45gp 26g 19a 45p

And the problem is, WHAT?

[NashisGod]

man after lastnights game rick nash should have 3 more goals i can't believe how off his shot was tonight that was amazing

[wildboy26]

RICK NASH CBJ L 45gp 26g 19a 45p

And the problem is, WHAT?

There around 30 players with over a PPG this year. Thus even if Nash had been healthy all year he would not be in the top 30 in scoring, and he would be clearly below the other young Canadian players who have all far surpassed him this year-Staal, Spezza, Crosby, Cheechoo, etc....So he is still quickly dropping down the pecking order, and it will be interesting to see if he continues to drop next year.

[NashisGod]

There around 30 players with over a PPG this year. Thus even if Nash had been healthy all year he would not be in the top 30 in scoring, and he would be clearly below the other young Canadian players who have all far surpassed him this year-Staal, Spezza, Crosby, Cheechoo, etc....So he is still quickly dropping down the pecking order, and it will be interesting to see if he continues to drop next year.

that would make sense if nash didn't have more goals since his return then every player you listed but 1...but since he does have more goals then all of them but cheechoo who only has those numbers because of thornton nash is still above them....seriously...look at that stat and tell me that any of them are better so...think what if he would have started off the year huge we could be talking about nash having around 55-60 goals right now easily

[wildboy26]

that would make sense if nash didn't have more goals since his return then every player you listed but 1...but since he does have more goals then all of them but cheechoo who only has those numbers because of thornton nash is still above them....seriously...look at that stat and tell me that any of them are better so...think what if he would have started off the year huge we could be talking about nash having around 55-60 goals right now easily

I am referring to points, not just goals. Crosby, Staal, and Spezza have less GPG this year than Nash I believe, but they all have more PPG.

[NashisGod]

since december 17
Nash 43 games 26goals 20 assists 46points 1.07ppg not starting off fast because of obvious issues with not being 100% healthy and also being fatigued from not being in very good condition

Crosby 40 games 20 goals 31 assists 51 points 1.27ppg in mid season shape and obviously was healthy from the start of december 17 no injury problems plus he has so many points because of the assists which can come simply because he makes a pass and someone scores a goal

Spezza 31 games 7 goals 27 assists 34 points 1.1ppg can you say wow...he has inflated numbers with assists because he can hand the puck to heatly and watch heatly and alfredson score goals..dont compare him to nash he doesn't deserve to be mentioned with nash sorry im right.

Staal 43 games 21 goals 29 assists 50 points 1.16ppg another 1 that has a ton of goal scorers around him and hasn't had any injury problems the entire year letting him be in the best possible shape starting on december 17th


only 1 above him majorly is crosby who has a ton of assists as do the others..nash is ahead of them in goals and only goal scorer he has around him is zherdev who gets a lot of his goals from assists from defensive men not nash because zherdev likes to go coast to coast if there was that much passing with zherdev and nash as there are with the other guys u listed nash would have above 30 assists right now...but i guess it's easy for you to pick on a guy who's been injured this year and didn't get a good start when he did come back because of fatigue or else his numbers would be a lot better than they are...

[NashisGod]

I am referring to points, not just goals. Crosby, Staal, and Spezza have less GPG this year than Nash I believe, but they all have more PPG.

theres a reason for that you have to know the columbus blue jackets style of play to know the reason why nash doesn't get a ton of assists he plays on a line with federov and zherdev zherdev is the only other scorer on that line and when zherdev scores nash usually doesn't touch the puck because zherdev goes coast to coast with the puck with passes from the defensive men....thats the big knock that federov had with nash and zherdev he said in an interview that they have a problem with give and go's neither of them like to pass the puck they both like to drive to the net and he feels that if they start passing to eachother and using eachother more they will have better stats and score more goals...nash is a league above those players you mentioned crosby is the only 1 near him the others have so much talent around them that i garantee if you put nash into those offenses he would put those numbers to shame that the others have scoreing a ton of goals

[wildboy26]

Your arguments are interesting and good, I dont watch Columbus play that much but I did not pick up on what you said on Zherdev playing that way. You really are a loyal Nash fan though, you come to his defence with vigor and spirit! You have to love someone who does that. :)

[Savior 61]

Well in Columbus he is clearly considered inferior to Federer, Zherdev, Vyborny, and Hrdina. He is only the 5th best player in Columbus, and Columbus is a horrable team, one of the worst in the NHL as their record suggest. How good is somebody who is the 5th best forward on a horrable horrable team? Not very good at all, no matter how much hype he has.

There is a reason the coach gives Federov and Zherdev more 5-on-5 and more PP time every single game than Nash. There is a reason Nash was demoted to the second line by the coach and replaced by Picard(LOL!). Yes the coach must really think Nash is something else, he is too weak to play on the first line on the horrable Blue jackets, ROTFL!
You honestly have no idea what your tlaking about.

Nash is the best player on Columbus and one of the best in the league. Hes followed by Zherdev, Fedorov, and many many other that you dont see because all you look at is our record.

Well ill tell you something, were 5-0 our last 5 and weve come from behind in every single game to win, and we have the best record in the year of 2006. The only reason our record blows is because the fact that key players on our team were hurt at the beginning of the year, such as Nash.

And now, Zherdev is hurt and probably done for the season and Berard has been done for the season, so you cant take your post and you can think about it next year when were in the playoffs :)

[butterfly_style]

Welcome Mr. 61, it's great to see that Columbus has pasionate fans.

[Savior 61]

Welcome Mr. 61, it's great to see that Columbus has pasionate fans.
Thank you :)

Trust me, Columbus fans love our guys and were all just as passionate.

[charlio lemieux]

You honestly have no idea what your tlaking about.

Nash is the best player on Columbus and one of the best in the league. Hes followed by Zherdev, Fedorov, and many many other that you dont see because all you look at is our record.

Well ill tell you something, were 5-0 our last 5 and weve come from behind in every single game to win, and we have the best record in the year of 2006. The only reason our record blows is because the fact that key players on our team were hurt at the beginning of the year, such as Nash.

And now, Zherdev is hurt and probably done for the season and Berard has been done for the season, so you cant take your post and you can think about it next year when were in the playoffs :)Hit the nail right on the head with your first sentence of your first post. Good one!

Welcome to the board.

[Savior 61]

Hit the nail right on the head with your first sentence of your first post. Good one!

Welcome to the board.
I just, cant stand it when people judge Columbus by just looking at our record. Unless they follow us, they cant say we suck. No one thats not pro can say anyone or any other team sucks, because they're obviously better than you.

Just wait till next season, I can almost promise you that well be in the playoffs if we can stay healthy.

[PDO]

I just, cant stand it when people judge Columbus by just looking at our record. Unless they follow us, they cant say we suck. No one thats not pro can say anyone or any other team sucks, because they're obviously better than you.

Just wait till next season, I can almost promise you that well be in the playoffs if we can stay healthy.

CBJ won't make the playoffs next year without some much better managing.

Simply said, too much money spent on guys who don't have a huge impact on games. Maclean is easily one of the worst GM's in the league, maybe even the worst now that MOC and Mad Mike are gone.

Just so you're aware, I have center ice and have watched about 8 or 9 CBJ games. It's Jacket Time ;).

[Savior 61]

CBJ won't make the playoffs next year without some much better managing.

Simply said, too much money spent on guys who don't have a huge impact on games. Maclean is easily one of the worst GM's in the league, maybe even the worst now that MOC and Mad Mike are gone.

Just so you're aware, I have center ice and have watched about 8 or 9 CBJ games. It's Jacket Time ;).
But how can you even say that after whats happened the past couple games youve played us? Weve come back to win in both of them. And yes, MaClean does suck at managing, but you cant say that we wont make playoffs if were not healthy.

And I havent missed one game, and yes my friends, its time to get it oooonnnnnn, ya its Jackets time :D

http://img428.imageshack.us/img428/1651/jacketstime3so.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[charlio lemieux]

The Columbus BJ's.

Or as KB refered to them "The Hummers"

I still chuckle at that.

[NashisGod]

savior where do you get your photo's of rick nash i google em but can't find a good 1

[Savior 61]

savior where do you get your photo's of rick nash i google em but can't find a good 1
Your answered your own question. that pic is old, from his rookie season so I cant remember.

[wildboy26]

I was dead wrong on Nash's fast decline. He has gone from being on the Olympic team over people like Staal, Kairya, and Crosby, and being arguably the best player at the stronger "lockout World Championships" along with Thornton and Jagr, to not even being invited to the World Championships, a much much much smaller event; and being bypassed for it in favor of the likes of Boyes, Bergeron, and Armstrong. Oh yes I was so wrong on his fast decline, not! :laughing:

[NashisGod]

he is only the 5th person in the last 10 years to score 30 goals in less than 60 games your opinion isn't backed up with any good statistics

[wildboy26]

he is only the 5th person in the last 10 years to score 30 goals in less than 60 games your opinion isn't backed up with any good statistics

It is backed up by the fact he was not even asked to play for Canada at the World Championships. After playing at the Olympics, he is not even invited to play at the World Championships, an event enormously smaller than the Olympics or World Cup, an event where the Shawn Horcoffs of the World are regulars. People like Bergeron, Boyes, and Armstrong, were asked over him.
That is enough evidence for me, sorry.

[NashisGod]

It is backed up by the fact he was not even asked to play for Canada at the World Championships. After playing at the Olympics, he is not even invited to play at the World Championships, an event enormously smaller than the Olympics or World Cup, an event where the Shawn Horcoffs of the World are regulars. People like Bergeron, Boyes, and Armstrong, were asked over him.
That is enough evidence for me, sorry.

evidence? um are u siilly? he doesn't get invited to play for team canada YET and even if he doesn't last time i checked that doesn't take away his 30 goals that he has this year and his dominating play

Edited by KB, no personal attacks

[wildboy26]

evidence? um are u stupid? he doesn't get invited to play for team canada YET

They already invited Bergeron, Boyes, and Armstrong. That means Hockey Canada view these people above him. These are very good player, but not elite players, and only Bergeron has even an outside chance to ever play for Canada at a major event like the World Cup or Olympics.

If he wasnt invited in the first round of invites that means they feel they have to wait until after the first round of playoffs to see "if there is room" for him depending who is available after the first round of the playoffs.