Who will end year as starting QB in Chicago instead of Grossman?

[wildboy26]

Since Rex Grossman will never make it through a football season as starting QB, something he has yet to do in 3 years in the NFL and will never do, who will be starting QB in his place for the coming season in Chicago?

[LiAmTrAnSdEmOn]

You are crazy, nobody, Rex will actually play most of the regular season games as QB.

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

This has just become stupid.

[wildboy26]

I did not include Chad Pennington since it looks like he will resign with the Jets. I did not include Leinart since he will be a very high draft choice, which Young may or may not be.

[wildboy26]

You are crazy, nobody, Rex will actually play most of the regular season games as QB.

Now that would be a first and a miracle since Brian Urlacher, one of their key players in an ESPN interview yesterday even said Kyle was not given the full playbook last year unlike Rex who was and he expects Kyle to be starting QB next year.

[LiAmTrAnSdEmOn]

You and Brian Urlacher are crazy, nobody, Rex will actually play most of the regular season games as QB.

BTW, sometimes it's good to have your MLB a bit crazy.

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

You and Brian Urlacher are crazy, nobody, Rex will actually play most of the regular season games as QB.

BTW, sometimes it's good to have your MLB a bit crazy.

I doubt Urlacher said that. It would be all over the internet by now if he did. Probably just wildboy hearing what he wants to hear.

[wildboy26]

I doubt Urlacher said that. It would be all over the internet by now if he did. Probably just wildboy hearing what he wants to hear.

Actually go to the Chicago tribune. It was talking about it there too.

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

Actually go to the Chicago tribune. It was talking about it there too.

I found one article on the QB situation. Grossman said he'd welcome a QB duel. He said he'll get the first shot at starting, and that's all he needs.

[wildboy26]

I found one article on the QB situation. Grossman said he'd welcome a QB duel. He said he'll get the first shot at starting, and that's all he needs.

I was referring to the Urlacher article.

Since you found that article though it talked about Angelo adding a free agent QB which is a sign he wants a starting QB to give Orton a year as backup to develop more. Grossman can say what he wants but if there is a QB competition of any kind he will lose it and since Orton wont be demoted to #3 he is history if there is a competition at camp.

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

I was referring to the Urlacher article.

Since you found that article though it talked about Angelo adding a free agent QB which is a sign he wants a starting QB to give Orton a year as backup to develop more. Grossman can say what he wants but if there is a QB competition of any kind he will lose it and since Orton wont be demoted to #3 he is history if there is a competition at camp.

You're just looking into this too much now and talking out of your ass. The Bears will sign a vet QB because it makes sense to have a vet QB on your roster when the two other QBs are in their 3rd and 2nd years. Lovie has said that Rex is his starter, and as long as he's coach, his word on the starting QB is more valid than anybody's.

Also, the reason Orton didn't know the entire playbook was because maybe the Bears look at him as nothing more than a backup. Once Rex went down and they knew they'd be going with Orton for the long haul, you'd think that they would bother to give him the rest of the plays. I guess all he could handle was the very limited scout team playbook. I'm a Packer fan, but I watched enough of the Bears last year to see how much more control of the offense they gave Grossman over Orton. That alone speaks volumes about what the coaching staff feels about the two QBs.

[wildboy26]

A QB the caliber of Brooks, Collins, Griese, Culpepper, would not agree to come to Chicago if they were not payed a salary much more than what Grossman is making next year and were not fully expecting to be the starter.
Their salaries alone would almost dictate they are starter over Grossman, and their intent on coming to Chicago would never to be backup to a guy who has 6 regular season NFL starts in 3 years, and did not get his starting job back from Orton, upon the point he was ready to do so in his return, until Orton "lost" it with poor play.

[LiAmTrAnSdEmOn]

But none of those guys are even rumored as going to Chi-town. As far as I know.

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

When the GM says he's gonna look for a vet QB, he doesn't necessarily mean he's gonna go for a guy that will start. It could just be a signing like Brad Johnson in Minny last year. Reliable guy, capable of filling in if the need arises.

[wildboy26]

When the GM says he's gonna look for a vet QB, he doesn't necessarily mean he's gonna go for a guy that will start. It could just be a signing like Brad Johnson in Minny last year. Reliable guy, capable of filling in if the need arises.

Brad Johnson sure as heck would start over Rex Grossman though. He did not start over Culpepper but Culpepper is an experienced upper-half starting QB in the NFL, something Grossman is not close to. Johnson has even won a SuperBowl, granted it wasnt mainly because of him and he was never a true elite QB in most peoples eyes even at his best, but I could not see him being somebody that would be relegated to backup below the like of Grossman.

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

Well he would be. No team would be dumb enough to sign a QB in his late 30s to block the progress of their two young QBs.

[wildboy26]

Well he would be. No team would be dumb enough to sign a QB in his late 30s to block the progress of their two young QBs.

You are right, which is why I did not include him in my poll, I just said "if" he were a Bear. :laughing:

[leaferfan87]

Well Mr. Orton did keep the team solvent so he is the natural choices.

[wildboy26]

Well Mr. Orton did keep the team solvent so he is the natural choices.

Yeah he is who I voted for. Anyway it will be interesting to see who is starting QB instead of Rex this year around, it is a dilemna every year in Chicago.

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

Well Mr. Orton did keep the team solvent so he is the natural choices.

No it's not. The offense was horrible under his watch. They didn't open up the playbook and start throwing downfield until Grossman came back.

[wildboy26]

Culpepper has asked to be cut or traded from Minnesota. He was an option on my list regarding who will be starting QB for Chicago instead of Rex I will never be a starting QB in the NFL Grossman. He is probably too pricey for Chicago but we will see if they even bid for him.

[Amoroq]

Patrick Ramsey

[wildboy26]

Patrick Ramsey

:laughing: :boogie:

[wildboy26]

Well it looks like Culpepper, Pennington, Kitna, and Brees are all off the table now. So the person who will be starting QB in Chicago instead of Rex Grossman will have to be one of Griese, Brooks, Collins, Orton, or Cutler(if they draft him, he could go around there IMO), or even McCown.

[Amoroq]

Well it looks like Culpepper, Pennington, Kitna, and Brees are all off the table now. So the person who will be starting QB in Chicago instead of Rex Grossman will have to be one of Griese, Brooks, Collins, Orton, or Cutler(if they draft him, he could go around there IMO), or even McCown.Or Patrick Ramsey

[wildboy26]

Or Patrick Ramsey

Yes anybody but Grossman. I am starting to think there is an outside chance Rex will actually be the starting QB in Chicago next year. God that would be a nightmare as a Bears fan. The good news is he is almost certain to lose it quickly with insufficient play.

[J.R.]

Purdue Boilermaker alumnus Kyle Orton. :thumb:

[LiAmTrAnSdEmOn]

I am starting to think there is an outside chance Rex will actually be the starting QB in Chicago next year.

Ya don't say. I was really starting to buy into your lame argument and you go and flip it on us.

Grossman will be starting next year. Orton sucked at QB and there is no point in signing any other QB except as insurance, because you DON'T want Orton leading the team for most of the year again.

[wildboy26]

Rex will have the worst stats of any starting QB in the NFL, or at best among the worst 3 of any starting QB in the NFL if he starts more than 12 games next year!

[Amoroq]

Another name just entered the fray, Harrington from detroit. The Lions are apparently interested in McCowan.

[LiAmTrAnSdEmOn]

The Lions already signed McCown, and if the Bears are more sold on Harrington than Grossman, something is severely wrong.

[wildboy26]

Like I said if Rex is the starting QB for Chicago next year and plays 12 or more games for them in the regular season look for-

30th or worse QB rating of starting QBs in league
30th or lower touchdowns completed of starting QBs in league
28th or higher interceptions commited of starting QBs in league
30th or worse pass completion percentage of starting QBs in league

He will demonstrate in his first ever year as starting Qb in the NFL, if he is that, and it took him until his 4th year when he turned 26 if he is, that he is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL.

[wildboy26]

There are reports coming out of Chicago that Brian Griese will be signed and he will be the starting QB next year with Rex as his backup. YAHHOOO!! Rex will never be a starting QB in the NFL like I said. He is too weak to even play one year as starting QB in the NFL.

[wildboy26]

Wow I did not even include Brian Griese on this list but he has signed a 5-year contract with Chicago. He will be the Bears starting QB this coming season. Orton will probably be backup and Grossman will be cut. There is no point continuing with Grossman anymore, he is a 26-year old first round draft pick who has still NEVER been an NFL starting QB and heading into his 4th season still is not able to be one. They will now see he is a waste and cut him and Orton will learn backing up Griese. I am SO FREAKING HAPPY!

[J.R.]

Wow I did not even include Brian Griese on this list but he has signed a 5-year contract with Chicago. He will be the Bears starting QB this coming season. Orton will probably be backup and Grossman will be cut. There is no point continuing with Grossman anymore, he is a 26-year old first round draft pick who has still NEVER been an NFL starting QB and heading into his 4th season still is not able to be one. They will now see he is a waste and cut him and Orton will learn backing up Griese. I am SO FREAKING HAPPY!
ROTFLMFAO, could wildboy26's Grossman prophecy be correct?

[charlio lemieux]

The report I heard had Griese backing up Grossman. Ofcourse that only came from the Chicago Bears themselves, so I don't know if it could be as accurate as WB's assumption.

[KB in Kelowna]

ROTFLMFAO, could wildboy26's Grossman prophecy be correct?

a broken clock is correct twice a day!:pimp:

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

The report I heard had Griese backing up Grossman. Ofcourse that only came from the Chicago Bears themselves, so I don't know if it could be as accurate as WB's assumption.

They brought in a vet QB for competition. It'll push guys like Orton and Grossman to up their game. It makes sense to have a QB like Griese on the roster, so if Grossman goes down again you don't have to go through the same pathetic offense with Kyle Orton again.

I've always liked Griese though, so if he wins the job I'll be happy for him. He's always been a pretty good QB, but it was unfortunate that he had to be the man to come in after Elway left Denver.

[J.R.]

I am SO FREAKING HAPPY!I've always liked Griese thoughEither of you have 20 bucks?

http://rbk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p599255reg.jpg

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

Either of you have 20 bucks?

http://rbk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p599255reg.jpg

No.

If you find a taker, tell them I have an Eddie George jersey that might be to their liking as well:thumb:

[LiAmTrAnSdEmOn]

I would love an Eddie George jersey. Titans or Oilers???

But about the Griese signing......didn't the Lions do pretty much the same thing with Garcia last year? Bring in a vet to push the young talent. Only difference is that Grossman isnt as pathetic as Harrington.

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

Baby Blue Titans.

[wildboy26]

I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG. I GAURANTEED REX WOULD NEVER BE A STARTING QB IN THE NFL BECAUSE HE WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND NOW I HAVE BEEN PROVEN RIGHT! HE IS 26 YEARS OLD, SIGNING GRIESE TO A 5-YEAR CONTRACT WITH A HUGE 6-MILLION SIGNING BONUS IS PROOF HE IS THE QB IN CHICAGO. IF REX HAS STILL NEVER BEEN A STARTING QB IN CHICAGO BY 26 YEARS OLD, HIS 4TH YEAR IN THE NFL, AND WITH ALL THE HYPE AROUND HIM FOR 3 YEARS, HE NEVER WILL BE. ALSO IF HE CANT HAVE BECOME A STARTING QB IN CHICAGO BY 26 AND HIS 4TH YEAR, NO TEAM WILL WANT HIM AS THE STARTING QB. SO FOR ALL OF YOU WHO SAID I WAS WRONG, EAT CROW I WAS RIGHT FROM DAY ONE.

[Madferret]

I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG. I GAURANTEED REX WOULD NEVER BE A STARTING QB IN THE NFL BECAUSE HE WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND NOW I HAVE BEEN PROVEN RIGHT! HE IS 26 YEARS OLD, SIGNING GRIESE TO A 5-YEAR CONTRACT WITH A HUGE 6-MILLION SIGNING BONUS IS PROOF HE IS THE QB IN CHICAGO. IF REX HAS STILL NEVER BEEN A STARTING QB IN CHICAGO BY 26 YEARS OLD, HIS 4TH YEAR IN THE NFL, AND WITH ALL THE HYPE AROUND HIM FOR 3 YEARS, HE NEVER WILL BE. ALSO IF HE CANT HAVE BECOME A STARTING QB IN CHICAGO BY 26 AND HIS 4TH YEAR, NO TEAM WILL WANT HIM AS THE STARTING QB. SO FOR ALL OF YOU WHO SAID I WAS WRONG, EAT CROW I WAS RIGHT FROM DAY ONE.

The question is however, are you still 'master of your domain'?

[wildboy26]

The question is however, are you still 'master of your domain'?

You said earlier I was only 1 for 20, but this is the first one that has been soon enough to have a chance to be right or wrong. I should have posted the final dates that my rightness or wrongness can be confirmed on each. This one came earlier than the latest possable deadline though since Chicago decided 6 months before they had to that Rex wont be starting QB. So yes for now I am master of my domain. :D

[Madferret]

You said earlier I was only 1 for 20, but this is the first one that has been soon enough to have a chance to be right or wrong. I should have posted the final dates that my rightness or wrongness can be confirmed on each. This one came earlier than the latest possable deadline though since Chicago decided 6 months before they had to that Rex wont be starting QB. So yes for now I am master of my domain. :D

lol
Well done..

:thumb:

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

The Associated Press reports Chicago Bears QB Rex Grossman is the starting quarterback for the Bears. QB Brian Griese hopes to become the team's starting quarterback, but head coach Lovie Smith is sticking with Grossman for now. Smith said, "That's the way we're going to start up our football team, and we'll go from there. It's that way at every position. The person that's at the top of the depth chart knows he has to play a certain way or you give the second guy an opportunity to play. ... It's good to have these type of players at the quarterback position."

Also, no player in the NFL ever lives to the end of his contract in the NFL. He'll be cut in about 3 years, since it'd probably be a manageable cap hit to do so. Also, I'm not sure how the deal is structured, but there's probably a roster bonus down the line that the team will not want to pay.

[wildboy26]

I actually made a bet with 4 different people from Chicago for $350 that Rex would not start 14 of 16 games next year, no circumstances counting including injuries. 2 of 4 have told me since the news of the Griese deal and the conditions of it, etc...they are so convinced I will be right they are sending me my $350 in the mail today and I should receive it in about 2 weeks. So at worst now even if by some miracle Rex plays 14 of 16 games(eg-Griese gets hit by a bus or something)I will still break even since 2 of the 4 have already conceded the bet to me and I would refuse to go back on that when they chose to concede when they did. That is a relief, there is no chance of me losing money, and I look almost certain to gain $1400 total, and $700 soon from it.

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

I think you're full of crap.

[LiAmTrAnSdEmOn]

Just when I thought this couldn't get anymore ridiculous.....

[wildboy26]

Do you want to make a bet on anything Leafs_Fa_Life? I make bets on sports all the time through the internet. I would choose Grossman expect you now seem to see that I was right all along on Grossman not being the starter and would no longer take the bet, although you might have a few months ago if you are into that sort of thing, when you seemed to have the delusion the Bears were going to embarass themselves by using Rex as the starting QB for the year(and if they were they obviously came to their senses, thank goodness as a Bears fan).

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

I still think Rex will be the starter next year. However, I have no interest of betting on anything over the internet. I think it's just stupid, and I think your lying about all the bets you have made. If you have found people dumb enough to send a person they don't know 350 dollars on a bet that won't be know until the season is over, then tell them I got a used Eddie George jersey collecting dust in my closet...

[wildboy26]

I still think Rex will be the starter next year. However, I have no interest of betting on anything over the internet. I think it's just stupid, and I think your lying about all the bets you have made. If you have found people dumb enough to send a person they don't know 350 dollars on a bet that won't be know until the season is over, then tell them I got a used Eddie George jersey collecting dust in my closet...

If you would like I would be happy to give you the e-mails of the people who bet me the money or send you to the messsage board I go on and their usernames, and what mine is, and you can ask them yourselves about the bet. If you do so though please dont tell the two that are sending me my $350 as a concession to me winning the bet already(since they feel it is that obvious with all the new Griese information)that I had said here I would not be returning the money if somehow it changed by seasons end though, I want that to be kept a secret.

[wildboy26]

I would like to add another reason I dont like Rex, other than somebody who is not even good enough to have ever even been an NFL starting QB, even a terrable one, is given so much hype, I dont like his cockiness.

Can you believe that after his lame performance in his first and only playoff game last year he said afterwords he was going to come back so charged up next year and try to be THE BEST QB IN THE LEAGUE. I am not joking, he actually said those exact words. I can link to him saying that if anybody wants to see it. He had the nerve to suggest he thought he could become the best QB in the NFL next year, that is better than Manning, Brady, Roethlisburger, etc.....The nerve of him to even say something so audicious.

[LiAmTrAnSdEmOn]

I bet I could find quotes from just about every player in the league saying something like that. It doesn't mean anything. If at all, you should be excited that he is throwing that challenge out to himself to improve his game by that much.

[wildboy26]

I bet I could find quotes from just about every player in the league saying something like that. It doesn't mean anything. If at all, you should be excited that he is throwing that challenge out to himself to improve his game by that much.

Well I dont look for quotes on every player in the league so I cant answer that for sure. I do know in hockey and baseball, sports I follow more closely, that is not the case, there are only 5 or 6 goalies that seem to think they can even strive to be the top goalie in the league for example, although all want to be part of a winning team they know they dont neccessarily have to be the best for their team to win the big prize. In baseball there might be 12 or so pitchers who say they feel they can be the best starting pitcher in the league. As well as other positions. So maybe football is a different attitude.

I just find it strange to read somebody who has still never been a starting QB in the NFL when there are some awful starting QBs in the NFL the last few years, saying he is determined to become the best QB in the NFL. For him to be a solid middle-of-the-pack starting QB in the NFL would be a huge achievment for him next year IMO, and in fact if he is even a middle-of-the-league starting QB next year he will probably the Bears starter for the next 3 to 5 years, since that is all they are looking for anyway IMO.

[THE HACK]

I still think Rex will be the starter next year. However, I have no interest of betting on anything over the internet. I think it's just stupid, and I think your lying about all the bets you have made. If you have found people dumb enough to send a person they don't know 350 dollars on a bet that won't be know until the season is over, then tell them I got a used Eddie George jersey collecting dust in my closet...

As far fetched as his story might be it could be true,there are people even dumber then he's betting with.Just look at the German guy who posted on the internet that he'd like to kill someone and eat them and actually had over 300 applicants who wanted to be his lunch.He actually found one he liked out of all the applicants,killed the person and ate them.After this story I'll beleive just about anything and it proves there are people dumb enough to make stupid bets.Just look on E-bay and the things people will overpay for,its ridicoulous but there are plenty of suckers out there.

I think Rex Grossman will be the starter too but as usual he'll get injured and Griese will step in and lead the team.

Cheers

[wildboy26]

I have only recently started making online bets about sports. I made some bets about the Canadian goalkeeper Lars Hirschfeld and won money, since I was right in my best 18 months ago that he would be demoted to Canada`s 3rd string, and given no chance to do anything about it by the coach; and also that he would make no starts in the last 12 months from the start of March last year, which he has not. I also made a bet on a tennis player and won the bet with the few people I bet with. One of the reasons I make these harmless gaurantees on certain athletes though is to test whether I have just been very lucky so far, and would be wise to get out of this friendly betting on sports future occurences online, or whether I really have a knack for it. Lately I have been wrong on a few more of my gaurantees, not bets, just harmless gaurantees, so I am starting to wonder if I just got lucky on the first few athletes and should stop making these online bets while I am a bit ahead, since I wont continue to get lucky. How the Rex things turns out would impact my feelings, but that is still over another 6 months away. I will probably wait and see how that pans out before making anymore.

[wildboy26]

I cant believe I did not even include Griese in my poll. The options earlier should have been:

Culpepper
Brees
Pennington
Griese
McGown
Kitna
Collins
Brooks
Young(I am hearing he might go shockingly low in the draft)
Cutler
Orton

[Savior 61]

Grossman is a good QB, yes I said it. He is a good QB. He'll be starting.

[wildboy26]

Grossman is a good QB, yes I said it. He is a good QB. He'll be starting.

No he isnt, and no he wont.

[Savior 61]

No he isnt, and no he wont.
You keep thinking that.

And hes obviously better than you :)

[wildboy26]

You keep thinking that.

And hes obviously better than you :)

You as well, so what is your point? Griese, the real starting QB of Chicago is also better than you. :D

[Savior 61]

You as well, so what is your point? Griese, the real starting QB of Chicago is also better than you. :D
Im not the one hating on Grossman now am I? I like Grossman, and he can be a very good quarterback and hes has great leadership for a kid considered by veterans. He can turn this franchise around with a little help, such as Yzerman did with the help of the Russians?

I just dont like it when people hate on Quarterbacks that are actually good, such as Grossman and Harrington, but they havent proved themselves yet. Grossman this year will be a career year if he stays healthy, and I can promise you that.

As for Harrington, he had no offensive coordinator, they get the best offensive coordinator in the whole NFL in Martz and they fire him and hire McCown and Kitna, that was beyond retarded.

Im a Rams fan and always have been, im used to have this west coast offense and I know exactly what type of QB Grossman is, trust me, this kid will be fine. And when this happens, dont think I wont shove it in your face if you want to continue and argue about it.

[wildboy26]

Im not the one hating on Grossman now am I? I like Grossman, and he can be a very good quarterback and hes has great leadership for a kid considered by veterans. He can turn this franchise around with a little help, such as Yzerman did with the help of the Russians?

I just dont like it when people hate on Quarterbacks that are actually good, such as Grossman and Harrington, but they havent proved themselves yet. Grossman this year will be a career year if he stays healthy, and I can promise you that.

As for Harrington, he had no offensive coordinator, they get the best offensive coordinator in the whole NFL in Martz and they fire him and hire McCown and Kitna, that was beyond retarded.

Im a Rams fan and always have been, im used to have this west coast offense and I know exactly what type of QB Grossman is, trust me, this kid will be fine. And when this happens, dont think I wont shove it in your face if you want to continue and argue about it.

You are backing Harrington and coming to Harrington's defence now. I think that pretty much says it all. :laughing:

[Savior 61]

You are backing Harrington and coming to Harrington's defence now. I think that pretty much says it all. :laughing:
I dont get it..

[wildboy26]

I dont get it..

Harrington sucks, that is why he was dumped by the Lions, even the GM who drafted him has recently said he probably made a mistake using their first round draft choice on him in hindsight, he will have a hard time finding a backup job somewhere else in the league, he probably will, but he will have to look around alot to get it. If you really think Harrington is any good then it pretty much says it all, thats all. :D

[THE HACK]

Harrington sucks, that is why he was dumped by the Lions, even the GM who drafted him has recently said he probably made a mistake using their first round draft choice on him in hindsight, he will have a hard time finding a backup job somewhere else in the league, he probably will, but he will have to look around alot to get it. If you really think Harrington is any good then it pretty much says it all, thats all. :D

Harrington won't have to look hard as there's around 5 teams that want him right now.With the right tutoring Harrington will be a decent QB!

Cheers

[Savior 61]

Harrington sucks, that is why he was dumped by the Lions, even the GM who drafted him has recently said he probably made a mistake using their first round draft choice on him in hindsight, he will have a hard time finding a backup job somewhere else in the league, he probably will, but he will have to look around alot to get it. If you really think Harrington is any good then it pretty much says it all, thats all. :D
Your one of those people who know everything, so im not even going to continue.

[KB in Kelowna]

Lets keep the personal insults out of the forums please.