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Now that we're rolling into the final month of the season... we are better informed to make award picks, so I'm going to post some polls.
Here I took the top 10 GAA with a minimum of 30 games played as of March 3 from ESPN's web site.
Who will take home the Vezina?
I'm going with my fan bias and took Lundqvist.
But you can make a pretty good argument for most of those guys. This is a tough call.
charlio lemieux
3-03-06, 1:35 PM
I took Lundqvist too.
Legace just hasn't faced enough shots or I would have taken him.
Wouldn't that be something if he won the Vezina but not the Calder.
Max Power
3-03-06, 1:40 PM
I'm putting my bias shoes on too
If Hasek comes back soon from injury and stays healthy
if not
Hasek for playoff MVP
Either way I'm just in denial about his injury =]
leaferfan87
3-03-06, 1:41 PM
I pressed Fernandez by mistake. I meant Kiprusoff because as I looked through the Flames list of players there appears to be no standout offensively meanings that Kipper has had to do alot of work to keep the Flames in first.
In terms of Hasek it's going to come down to how long he's out for?
wildboy26
3-03-06, 3:40 PM
I doubt they will give it to Henrick. He will not end the year playing enough games. Remember Turco a few years back and Kiprusoff last year?
It should probably not be Brodeur but it will be, the leagues bias to him is so enormous, the Vezina two years back over Luongo was a total farce. If he is within 3% SV and 1.25 GAA of the best he wins.
Lundqvist or Kipper... I lean to Lundqvist, but both deserve it.
If Brodeur gets a single vote for the Vezina I'll probably be ill.
wildboy26
3-03-06, 3:51 PM
Lundqvist or Kipper... I lean to Lundqvist, but both deserve it.
If Brodeur gets a single vote for the Vezina I'll probably be ill.
Then prepare to be ill. He is a great goalie and deserves some of his accolades but some others are huge gifts. He will have to have a SV% below 89% and a GAA above 3.25 to lose the Vezina. He just has to be semi-decent to win every award, he does not have to earn them like others as his farce Vezina over Luongo and Kiprusoff last time shows.
swflyers25
3-03-06, 8:29 PM
Dom or Manny.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
3-03-06, 11:11 PM
I voted Kiprusoff, but if Martin Brodeur continues to play the way he has been, he'll win.
I went with Kiprusoff, but I agree about Brodeur deserving consideration. Marty has been great in his last 30 or so games after a slow start to the season, and is showing now why he's still the best in the league. Ultimately though I think his slow start will hamper his chances at 3 straight Vezinas.
I went with Kiprusoff, but I agree about Brodeur deserving consideration. Marty has been great in his last 30 or so games after a slow start to the season, and is showing now why he's still the best in the league. Ultimately though I think his slow start will hamper his chances at 3 straight Vezinas.
So if Brodeur plays great for half a season he deserves the Vezina, but last year he deserved it because Kipprusoff wasn't great for enough games? :rolleyes:
So if Brodeur plays great for half a season he deserves the Vezina, but last year he deserved it because Kipprusoff wasn't great for enough games? :rolleyes:
Didn't I just say that his slow start would probably cost him the Vezina?
Oh, I forgot, you're a Brodeur-hater.:rolleyes:
Didn't I just say that his slow start would probably cost him the Vezina?
Oh, I forgot, you're a Brodeur-hater.:rolleyes:
The guy gets more double standards thrown his way than the average parent has about their son having sex versus their daughter having sex. I don't hate him by any means; I just say it how it is. He's an average starter in the NHL who played behind an elite defense and was given a lot of credit that he didn't deserve. Yes I'm aware he can "make the big save". So can every other great goalie in the NHL who also makes a lot more saves while winning a larger percent of their games.
Even in the past month - all he's done is play at the level Lundqvist and Kipper have all year... yet everyone's getting giddy because it's Brodeur doing it! Sigh...
(edit: Hope you didn't see the original pantie's comment.. WHOOPS.. :laughing: )
I guess it all goes back to how you judge a goaltender's true worth. You can throw the save percentage stat at me all day, but one stat doesn't tell the whole truth about goaltenders. I find it interesting that for the most part the anti-Brodeur people out there (or at least the ones who contend he's overated), are the same people who don't watch him play that much. Most of the people that I've talked to that watch Brodeur regularly have pretty much all said that he's the best goalie in the league.
Say what you want to about the team in front of him, but I think a goaltender who's averaged playing 80 games a season (regular season + playoffs) over the last 11 years, has 30+ wins in all but 2 of those years, has won 3 Stanley Cups, 2 Vezinas, and has multiple All-Star appearances deserves at least a little credit for his accomplishments.
There have only been 3 goaltenders who have truly been able to "get in a shooters head" the last decade or so IMO: Roy, Hasek, and Brodeur. There aren't many players, coaches, or GMs out there who don't think he's the best goaltender in the league. Now, the opinions of those who actually take the ice with him may not mean much to you, but they mean at least something to me.;)
There isn't a goalie in the league I'd trust more than Brodeur with the game on the line. If I'm heading into the playoffs (where I think a player's true quality shines the most), I'm taking Marty Brodeur over any other goalie out there right now (although Hasek is a close second).
Anyway, it's never dull when the words "Martin Brodeur" get mentioned around here.:laughing: :D
Okay.. simple question then.
Is Grant Fuhr one of, if not the best goalie of all time? He won 5 cups. His teammates did nothing but praise him. He always made the big save. He allowed 5 goals a game, but when the game was on the line, he always made the big save! Anyone who ever watched him a lot thought he was the best clutch goalie of all time!
Okay.. simple question then.
Is Grant Fuhr one of, if not the best goalie of all time? He won 5 cups. His teammates did nothing but praise him. He always made the big save. He allowed 5 goals a game, but when the game was on the line, he always made the big save! Anyone who ever watched him a lot thought he was the best clutch goalie of all time!
I can't really answer that one, I never watched him play.:D
I see what you're saying though, and like I said it all depends on how you judge goaltenders. I think it's obvious we look at them differently, which is probably what leads to this discussion every time. From what I've seen of Brodeur, I know there isn't a goalie in the league I'd take over him, but I'm probably incredibly biased in that view. Let's just say that I'll defend him like you defend Pronger.;)
More directly on topic, I'm not saying Brodeur should win the Vezina this year, in fact I think that Kiprusoff, Lundqvist, and maybe even Fernandez are more deserving. But I think he should at least be in the discussion, especially if he continues playing like he has the last 30 or so games.
Anywho, it'll be an interesting race to keep an eye on...
Simply put, Kipper. He is the reason why the flames win more so then anyone else. Hasek is a great goaltender, but he isn't the sole reason the sens win on a regular business, they simply put more in the net then their opponents score. If he was still putting up these numbers in his days in Buffalo, then he wins this hands down. Brodeur, had a bad first half, but so did the whole team. Its freeky to think what one man (Ellias) could have meant to the devils had he been around all season, and for this reason and this reason alone Brodeur doesn't win.
charlio lemieux
3-04-06, 9:04 AM
Okay.. simple question then.
Is Grant Fuhr one of, if not the best goalie of all time? He won 5 cups. His teammates did nothing but praise him. He always made the big save. He allowed 5 goals a game, but when the game was on the line, he always made the big save! Anyone who ever watched him a lot thought he was the best clutch goalie of all time!
When Fuhr was a Leaf, I watched him in the old rapid fire part of the skills competition. I have never seen a goalie who could go down to knees to make a save and get back up so quick. His GAA went down as the style of game in front of him became more defensive.
As for being the best clutch goalie of all time. Well just from 1980 until now he would have to contend with Smith, Belfour, Roy, Hasek and Brodeur. I don't know if he would even come close to winning that. So I wouldn't even get into dragging guys like Dryden, Bower, Sawchuk, Esposito, Plante, Hall, Durnam, Thompson or Broda into it.
I know he was the back up Goalie for the 1990 cup run, and he platooned a couple of times with Moog. So he didn't win 5 cups as the undisputed #1 starter. Plus the team he was on was so stacked it was silly. Yes Fuhr was a very good goalie but he wouldn't make it into the top three since 1980, nevermind all-time.
wildboy26
3-04-06, 2:04 PM
So if Brodeur plays great for half a season he deserves the Vezina, but last year he deserved it because Kipprusoff wasn't great for enough games? :rolleyes:
Brodeur DID NOT deserve the Vezina last year, it was one of the biggest crimes in history of the award. Luongo had a SV% over 93% playing on a team facing over 40 shots a game, it was a total crime Brodeur had about 2% lower a SV% for the year on a great defensive team and still won. Kiprusoff was also far superior statisticaly, but they used the excuse he did not play enough. It was the kind of sham that proves my point, Brodeur just has to have a SV% over 89%, and a GAA lower than 3.25 and he wins the award every time.
TimmyTabasco
3-06-06, 2:25 PM
The crooked finn, Mr. Kipper
Lundquist or Kiprusoff should get it.
TimmyTabasco
3-07-06, 7:51 PM
BTW, where is Gerber on this list?
30-9
2.67 GAA
910 SP
3 Shutouts
1194 shots faced
leaferfan87
3-07-06, 10:23 PM
BTW, where is Gerber on this list?
30-9
2.67 GAA
910 SP
3 Shutouts
1194 shots faced
You are correct. Gerber should be at least an option in this poll.
Not that this really means anything, but it's interesting how similar Kiprusoff and Brodeur's numbers are this year...
Kiprusoff
55GP, 31W - 16L - 7OT, 2.17 GAA, .917 Save %, 7 SO
Brodeur
54GP, 30W - 18L - 6OT, 2.44 GAA, .914 Save %, 5 SO
Like Amo said though, Brodeur's slow start will ultimately cost him the Vezina this year. If he had played that well all season, I don't think there'd be any doubt he'd be a leading candidate.:nod:
Tomas Vokoun also has some sneaky stats in this race. 30 Wins, 2.60 GAA, .921 Save %...
Gerber missed the cut as his GAA was not in the top 10. But fear not I've added him to the poll (Stats as of today from ESPN.com)
wildboy26
3-08-06, 3:05 PM
Vokoun should win it if neither Lundquist(because of not playing enough), Hasek(same thing)win it. He should win it over both Brodeur and Kiprusoff right now. Hopefully his lack of hype does not work against him.
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