Montoya should leave the Rangers!

[wildboy26]

It is very clear Chris Holt has surpassed him as I predicted months ago.
That is a slap in the face to Montoya. If I were him I would bolt from the Rangers to be honest. They are setting up a trade for Weekes I bet, and Holt is being set up to be the new backup goalie.

[Mel]

Oh brother, this again? Montoya's been out with a mild groin injury.

How is he supposed to just "bolt from the Rangers" anyway? Have you thought that through?

Montoya is an AHL all-star and owns the 5th best GAA in the AHL.

Holt has surpassed him only in your imagination.

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

This BS again :rolleyes:

Maybe Montoya and Rex Grossman can go golfing sometime because according to you both should just walk out on their pro careers.

[charlio lemieux]

Jeez, with Lundqvist around it's a wonder both of them bother to show up for practice. :D

[wildboy26]

I gaurantee Holt will be the Rangers backup once Weekes is traded. Gauranteed. Holt will be with the Rangers and Montoya with the farm. Come back to this when I am proven right since I will be. I will be then pointing out how I knew all along Holt would be a part of the Rangers team before Montoya, if Montoya ever is that is.

[wildboy26]

Interesting that I started a poll on another site and 7 of 10 who voted(including 1 vote by me)has Holt becoming the new backup starting next year or before the end of the year. 1 other starting the year after next. Obviously there are others that agree with me that Holt is clearly a goalie with the Rangers in the near future over Montoya:

http://chat.mapleleafs.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15480

[Madferret]

Prediction?

[wildboy26]

Prediction?

You mean the leaving the Rangers part, or the Holt becoming a NY Ranger and not Montoya part?

[Madferret]

You mean the leaving the Rangers part, or the Holt becoming a NY Ranger and not Montoya part?

Leaving the Rangers...you're an ace predictor, so predict when he'll leave.

[wildboy26]

Leaving the Rangers...you're an ace predictor, so predict when he'll leave.

He will leave the moment Holt is officialy raised to backup with the Rangers, with Weekes being either traded or demoted to the AHL, and do it quickly to not give the Rangers a chance to trade him and gain any benefit from him.

[Madferret]

I'm sorry I think you misunderstood me. Your thread is implying that he should just demand a trade and leave the organization, so predict when that's going to happen is what I meant.

[wildboy26]

I'm sorry I think you misunderstood me. Your thread is implying that he should just demand a trade and leave the organization, so predict when that's going to happen is what I meant.

Ok, this summer it will happen. Sometime in August.

[Leafs_Fa_Life]

I gaurantee Holt will be the Rangers backup once Weekes is traded. Gauranteed. Holt will be with the Rangers and Montoya with the farm. Come back to this when I am proven right since I will be. I will be then pointing out how I knew all along Holt would be a part of the Rangers team before Montoya, if Montoya ever is that is.

If Holt is the backup, it'll be because the Rangers don't project him as anything more than a backup. The organization wouldn't rush a young goalie like Montoya up to the big time before he's ready just to play second fiddle. He's better off getting lots of minutes in the minors, so he'll have the conditioning necessary for when he comes up to the big time.

This is a cap world we live in, and to have the kind of depth the Rangers have in net is a great thing. They can let Montoya take all the time in needs in the minors to develop, and two years from now when Lundqvist is up for a new contract they can ship him out of town for a big return and know that Montoya can step in and carry the torch on a rookie contract.

[Mel]

Thank you.

To add... wildboy you are reading way too much into this whole situation.

He will not simply leave the Rangers. If Lundqvist turns out to be the real deal and the Rangers make him undisputed #1, I could see Montoya/agent asking for a trade. Or maybe Lundqvist will get traded. Maybe Holt will get traded. Or maybe Weekes.

The Rangers like Holt obviously or they wouldn't have him in the organization. But this Holt > Montoya crusade of yours is a silly waste of time.

[wildboy26]

If Holt is the backup, it'll be because the Rangers don't project him as anything more than a backup. The organization wouldn't rush a young goalie like Montoya up to the big time before he's ready just to play second fiddle. He's better off getting lots of minutes in the minors, so he'll have the conditioning necessary for when he comes up to the big time.

This is a cap world we live in, and to have the kind of depth the Rangers have in net is a great thing. They can let Montoya take all the time in needs in the minors to develop, and two years from now when Lundqvist is up for a new contract they can ship him out of town for a big return and know that Montoya can step in and carry the torch on a rookie contract.

That is totaly wrong! No team ever has a goalie brought up as an NHL backup over another goalie they prefer for cap reasons or to give the goalie they prefer more time to play in the AHL. It never happens. Can you come up with a single example of this on any team recently? If you come up with an example of this happening on another team. I might believe you.

The reason Holt will be brought up over Montoya is not because of your reasoning, but because they clearly prefer Holt and think he is the much better goalie. You just know I am right so are coming up for an explanation to why I end up right. :nod:

[wildboy26]

I would add to all that they should trade Montoya as soon as possable if they are smart. Once they trade away Weekes and bring Holt in as backup Montoya will have ZERO trade value, no team will give anything meaningful for a goalie who is below the younger Holt on his own team, once that becomes apparent to other teams Montoya will be useless in a trade. So they should trade him as soon as possable, before upgrading Holt to Rangers backup, since once they do that they will get nothing in a trade for Holt, except maybe with teams with an idiot GM likes the NY Islanders if they are lucky.

[charlio lemieux]

Of the top of my head there is
Bochenski in Ottawa was staying in the minors unless he could get 1st or 2nd line Ice time.
Spezza was kept in the minors for an extra season so he could be "put in a leadership role".
Jiri Hudler from Detroit is another young player who would be wasted getting third or fourth line minutes. So he sits 3rd overall in AHL scoring, because Detroit is too deep through the top lines.


A couple of Goalies I thought of.
Telqvist was better than Trevor Kid but they wanted him to get everyday playing time in the minors.
Marc Andre Fleury was kept in the minors, while less skilled goalies where cycled through the linup in Pittsburg.

[wildboy26]

A couple of Goalies I thought of.
Telqvist was better than Trevor Kid but they wanted him to get everyday playing time in the minors.
Marc Andre Fleury was kept in the minors, while less skilled goalies where cycled through the linup in Pittsburg.

Actually I read many times Pat Quinn saying at that period of time he believed Kidd was better than Telqvist around then. Remember Kidd was once a reasonably good NHL goalie, and Quinn is slow to recognize how far players are past their primes(god knows all Toronto fans should know that).

Also Fleury was considered below Thibault and about even with Caron coming out of training camp according to the now-fired Pittsburg coach at the time.
He said since the latter two were about even out of camp he was sending Fleury to the minors to play more, but would have kept him as backup if he was noticeably superior to Caron in training camp.

Also the cases you are giving an example of the younger goalie was kept in minors. Montoya is older than Holt, albeit slightly. It would not be the same message or situation at all.

[wildboy26]

I hope now that Montoya and Holt are both up with the Rangers that both are there Thursday, and that Holt is the backup to Weekes, and depending how much rest Henrick needs, maybe more than one game with Holts as backup and Montoya as #3 goalie. That would further prove my point of the organization clearly thinking more highly of Holt. It is a great chance for my theory to gain more validation, regardless if anybody acknowledges it or not.

[Mel]

I hope now that Montoya and Holt are both up with the Rangers that both are there Thursday, and that Holt is the backup to Weekes, and depending how much rest Henrick needs, maybe more than one game with Holts as backup and Montoya as #3 goalie. That would further prove my point of the organization clearly thinking more highly of Holt. It is a great chance for my theory to gain more validation, regardless if anybody acknowledges it or not.

Well well well... I see now that you post the exact same posts (word for word) on other forums, and you are already well-known on other boards to be obsessively bent on bad-mouthing Al Montoya. :wave:

I also see I'm not alone in finding you wrong ;)

[wildboy26]

Well well well... I see now that you post the exact same posts (word for word) on other forums, and you are already well-known on other boards to be obsessively bent on bad-mouthing Al Montoya. :wave:

I also see I'm not alone in finding you wrong ;)

Yes I copy some of my phrases to the two different forums I am on. What is wrong with that, it is time consuming enough to type paragraphs of thoughts, if it the same topic easier to transfer them then re-type basicaly saying the same thing in different words.

Like I said what will you say Thursday when Holt is backing up Weekes? :D

[Mel]

Yes I copy some of my phrases to the two different forums I am on. What is wrong with that, it is time consuming enough to type paragraphs of thoughts, if it the same topic easier to transfer them then re-type basicaly saying the same thing in different words.

Like I said what will you say Thursday when Holt is backing up Weekes? :D

It doesn't matter who backs up Weekes. If the Rangers wanted to make a trade right now, Montoya would fetch far more than Holt. Everybody knows it. Montoya is an all-star and one of the top goalies in the AHL.

Hockey's future has Montoya ranked as the 4th top Rangers prospect (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/team/new_york_rangers) while your buddy Holt is not even in the top 20. The only non-NHL prospect ranked higher than Montoya is Marc Staal.

Holt's AHL numbers are crap.
Holt's ECHL numbers are crap.

Hartford Wolfpack season to date....

Montoya 28 games = 2.53
Gherson 22 games = 2.77
Bruckler 6 games = 3.76
Holt 8 games = 4.39

Yet you keep insisting that you can speak for the Rangers brass and announce that Holt is higher up the team's depth chart, for stupid reasons like Holt played NHL minutes before Montoya, or Holt is going to back up Weekes. Neither of those necessitates the conclusion that you draw. And frankly since Lundqvist is starting to look like the Rangers undisputed #1 for years to come, it doesn't really matter how they rank the others. They'll be traded or more likely in Holt's case stuck in the minors.

Now that I'm realizing this seems to be some sort of childish game you play everywhere you go, this is probably the last time I'll pay it any mind.

[charlio lemieux]

Actually I read many times Pat Quinn saying at that period of time he believed Kidd was better than Telqvist around then. Remember Kidd was once a reasonably good NHL goalie, and Quinn is slow to recognize how far players are past their primes(god knows all Toronto fans should know that).

Also Fleury was considered below Thibault and about even with Caron coming out of training camp according to the now-fired Pittsburg coach at the time.
He said since the latter two were about even out of camp he was sending Fleury to the minors to play more, but would have kept him as backup if he was noticeably superior to Caron in training camp.

Also the cases you are giving an example of the younger goalie was kept in minors. Montoya is older than Holt, albeit slightly. It would not be the same message or situation at all.

Of course Quinn is going to say that! With a goalies confidence such a huge part of his game, you can't go around saying "He sucks, but we're using him as a back up because we want the young guy to get more playing time in the minors."

NAME: Al Montoya
POSITION: Goaltender
HEIGHT: 6-1
WEIGHT:200
BIRTHDATE: February 13, 1985
HOMETOWN: Glenview, Illinois
04-05 CLUB: Univ. of Michigan
NAME: Chris Holt
POSITION: Goaltender
HEIGHT: 6-3
WEIGHT:230
BIRTHDATE: June 5, 1985
HOMETOWN: South Surrey, British Columbia
04-05 CLUB: Univ. of Nebraska - Omaha


First off five months is no longer an age difference after puberty. So forget your age difference crusade. The fact is, a better talent was kept in the minors.
Second, you really don't know what you are talking about. Hartford is in 4th place in their conference. Montoya is a big reason they are there, going 18-5-1 in 28 games. You don't submarine your farm team's playoff chances without serious injuries. All Holt is going to do is sit on the bench, and there is no point in taking Montoya away from Hartford to do that.

05-06 Hartford Al Montoya 28gp 2so 2.53gaa 0.911s% 18-5-1

05-06 Charlotte: Holt, Chris 17gp 3.69gaa 0.899s% 6-7-1
05-06 Hartford: Chris Holt 8gp 4.39gaa 0.874s% 2-2-1

I don't know where you get the idea that Holt is a better goalie than Montoya. :shrug: All I know is it can't be from watching the games or looking at their stats. :coffee: :sign:

[wildboy26]

It doesn't matter who backs up Weekes. If the Rangers wanted to make a trade right now, Montoya would fetch far more than Holt. Everybody knows it. Montoya is an all-star and one of the top goalies in the AHL.

That is why they should trade him as soon as possable, once they bring Holt up to the be the Rangers backup Montoya will have ZERO trade value since people will see he is even below Holt in his own organizations eyes.


Yet you keep insisting that you can speak for the Rangers brass and announce that Holt is higher up the team's depth chart, for stupid reasons like Holt played NHL minutes before Montoya, or Holt is going to back up Weekes. Neither of those necessitates the conclusion that you draw.

If Holt and Montoya are both up with the NHL for a few games while Lundqvist gets rested and Holt is dressed as the backup this would prove just that! It cant be used as reasoning that it has to do with wanting Montoya to get more playing time in the AHL, he isnt even with the AHL at that time if he is up with the Rangers along with Holt. Keep in mind I said under the cirumstances both are up with the big team for a few games until Lundvist is rested, and Holt dresses as the backup during that time. Indeed that would be a message, since Montoya would not be playing with the AHL at that time.

[wildboy26]

Second, you really don't know what you are talking about. Hartford is in 4th place in their conference. Montoya is a big reason they are there, going 18-5-1 in 28 games. You don't submarine your farm team's playoff chances without serious injuries. All Holt is going to do is sit on the bench, and there is no point in taking Montoya away from Hartford to do that.

Actually there are many examples of teams submarining their farm teams playoff chances for their own gain. Their own wants come first in many cases.

[charlio lemieux]

Actually there are many examples of teams submarining their farm teams playoff chances for their own gain. Their own wants come first in many cases.

What are these examples?

[Mel]

If Holt and Montoya are both up with the NHL for a few games while Lundqvist gets rested and Holt is dressed as the backup this would prove just that! It cant be used as reasoning that it has to do with wanting Montoya to get more playing time in the AHL, he isnt even with the AHL at that time if he is up with the Rangers along with Holt. Keep in mind I said under the cirumstances both are up with the big team for a few games until Lundvist is rested, and Holt dresses as the backup during that time. Indeed that would be a message, since Montoya would not be playing with the AHL at that time.

Holt and Montoya are not both up.

Holt got bounced yesterday - not to Hartford - but all the way back to Charlotte.

The reason I didn't know is because I was looking at AHL transactions, not ECHL.

So... is Holt still going to back up Weekes on Thursday, proving your theory?

[Madferret]

I'd like to see a battle royal between Holt / Montoya / Sather & Weekes personally.

http://www.bsww.de/specials03/mfinal/mfpic4.jpg

[wildboy26]

Holt and Montoya are not both up.

Holt got bounced yesterday - not to Hartford - but all the way back to Charlotte.

The reason I didn't know is because I was looking at AHL transactions, not ECHL.

So... is Holt still going to back up Weekes on Thursday, proving your theory?

I guess Holt was not due to get his chance yet. :no: