View Full Version : Canada vs Finland (02/19)
The Insider
2-19-06, 12:19 PM
The boys will look to rebound today after yesterday's setback. It has been confirmed the Roberto Luongo has the green light and will suit up tonight and Joe Sakic will play with a full face shield.
Game time starts at 3:00PM for all of us in the EST.
Leafs_Fa_Life
2-19-06, 1:23 PM
After the loss against the Swiss, the boys better come out fired up and play a full 60 minute game. Also, I hope Luongo has a solid game and is left to be our starter for the rest of the tournament.
After the loss against the Swiss, the boys better come out fired up and play a full 60 minute game. Also, I hope Luongo has a solid game and is left to be our starter for the rest of the tournament.
Couldn't agree more.
It's game time.. Go Canada Go.
Prediction is Luongo plays the game of his life.
The Insider
2-19-06, 3:46 PM
The guys seriously need to wake up, cause this is getting ridiculous. I mean when guys like Koivu and Jokinen are outworking and winning battles against guys like Pronger and Blake there seriously is a problem.
The defense is playing horrible. Did Pronger kick the puck right to Koivu in the battle that led to the first goal? It sure looked like it. The only pairing that hasn't sucked it up thus far IMO has been Redden - Foote, who seemed to settle down towards the end. Thankfully Wade's giveaway at the 2 minute mark (the one Hrudy just showed) didn't cost us.
I want to blame the forwards for lack of production, and I will to a degree, but it's hard to score when you're either:
a) killing a penalty
b) getting pinned in your zone because none of the d-men can handle the agressive Fin forecheck
I feel bad for Luongo, getting little support and looking good early. He may have had that first goal - almost did but for it bouncing off his glove and in - but I think he's shown enough to be the starter.
Andy, blame the forwards for lack of production; specifically the centers. The defenseman have looked bad, no doubt, but if you want a reason as to why, look no further than the fact they're getting NO support from their centers. Both Finnish goals were scored as a result of the center standing around doing nothing (Richards, Thornton). This'll have to change if we want any chance..
I can't watch any more. It is driving me crazy.
Much better period, but nothing to show for it.
The forwards picked it up 10-fold.
The defense still looks quite poor. That Redden - Foote pairing I liked the best out of a slew of underachievers in the 1st suffered a drop in their defensive coverage IMO. Wade brought it offensively in the 2nd for sure but I saw his man skate right by him too many times. That Sen needs to pick it up. Heatley looked good that period but for that one mishap in the neutral zone.
PDO; the forwards admittedly didn't back-check nearly enough in the 1st, but the goals were still a result of our big horses losing battles along the boards uncontestedly. From that the Finns gained automatic, quality shots on net.
Pathetic..
Gee, I wonder if the guy who's 3rd in league scoring could help this team put one in the net :rolleyes:
Luongo was easily the best Canadian today.. the worst? Depends if you base it on what you expect or not, but Iginla has been terrible by his standards.
Andy, our horses are losing battles no doubt. I'd say a large part of that you can thank to no depth (McCabe, whoo!). Pronger intentionally kicked that puck on the Koivu goal, he expected the center to be supporting the puck.
I hate european officials with a passion.
The Insider
2-19-06, 5:29 PM
Andy, our horses are losing battles no doubt. I'd say a large part of that you can thank to no depth (McCabe, whoo!). Pronger intentionally kicked that puck on the Koivu goal, he expected the center to be supporting the puck.
Let's think about this...Canada iced 7 defencemen tonight. That is 1 more then any NHL team is able to put out there on a regular basis unless they drop a forward. Are trying to tell me that Pronger and the rest of the group got outworked in the defensive zone because of no depth? Last time I checked Pronger does fine in the NHL with only 5 other defencemen, so what is McCabe hindering him out there somehow being #7? And you've also got 5 other defencemen all under-achieving themselves, this is hardly because McCabe is the #7 defencemen. Let's be honest here, the defence group here in Torino as a whole(not individually) but as a whole, have been disappointing and average at best. The Finns had the 1 big period in the 1st and put the game on cruise control the rest of the way. Canada has a ton of work they need to do to get better and if they don't they will not make it past the quarters.
Let's think about this...Canada iced 7 defencemen tonight. That is 1 more then any NHL team is able to put out there on a regular basis unless they drop a forward. Are trying to tell me that Pronger and the rest of the group got outworked in the defensive zone because of no depth? Last time I checked Pronger does fine in the NHL with only 5 other defencemen, so what is McCabe hindering him out there somehow being #7? And you've also got 5 other defencemen all under-achieving themselves, this is hardly because McCabe is the #7 defencemen. Let's be honest here, the defence group here in Torino as a whole(not individually) but as a whole, have been disappointing and average at best. The Finns had the 1 big period in the 1st and put the game on cruise control the rest of the way. Canada has a ton of work they need to do to get better and if they don't they will not make it past the quarters.
How many times do you play 4 games in 5 nights in the NHL? McCabe best illustrates the example, but sure.. Adam Foote belongs on the list as well, as he's been nothing short of atrocious. Fact is, our best defenseman (probably not tonight, though I don't think any defenseman was good tonight) has played 30 minutes a night. He's actually playing MORE minutes for Canada than he does for Edmonton. Sorry.. that's ridiculous. Robyn Regehr has been bad as well.
Pronger
Blake
Redden
Bouwmeester
Regehr
Foote
McCabe
There's the depth list right now for the Canadian defense - Phaneuf right now would be our #4 defenseman and could take a bit of pressure off of them. Maybe it's just because I'm an Oiler fan, but watching Pronger playing 30 minutes a night on a broken foot on a team that should be stacked is extremely aggravating.
TimmyTabasco
2-19-06, 5:38 PM
I can't watch any more. It is driving me crazy.
Time to switch to Team Czech Republic? :thumb:
TimmyTabasco
2-19-06, 5:40 PM
I hate european officials with a passion.
Hey now, I wouldn't say the officials were that bad
The Canadians just haven't played good enough. They haven't played as a team.
The Finns play a strong team game, and the Canadians should learn from this
Hey now, I wouldn't say the officials were that bad
The Canadians just haven't played good enough. They haven't played as a team.
The Finns play a strong team game, and the Canadians should learn from this
We didn't lose because of them - I just hate them. I hate seeing anything considered "rough" get called. I'm fully aware it will be called, but it doesn't mean I'll hate them any less :)
TimmyTabasco
2-19-06, 5:58 PM
We didn't lose because of them - I just hate them. I hate seeing anything considered "rough" get called. I'm fully aware it will be called, but it doesn't mean I'll hate them any less :)
Alright, glad I'm not a European ref :)
BTW, what do you think of the power forward situation..does canada have too many?
Doan
Bertuzzi
Thornton
Nash
Iginla
During the game, I was wondering if a Paul Kariya..Alex Tanguay..Marleau, or Staal..would have made a difference. Someone with great speed, and good hands. I'm not saying the powerforwards don't have this, but they play a different game.
Alright, glad I'm not a European ref :)
BTW, what do you think of the power forward situation..does canada have too many?
Doan
Bertuzzi
Thornton
Nash
Iginla
During the game, I was wondering if a Paul Kariya..Alex Tanguay..Marleau, or Staal..would have made a difference. Someone with great speed, and good hands. I'm not saying the powerforwards don't have this, but they play a different game.
Doan has no business being on this team, plain and simple. Nash-Thornton-Bertuzzi has looked to be fairly effective together when given the chance, and should be used more often. As I've stated many times, my team would've been...
Nash - Thornton - Bertuzzi
Smyth - Lecavalier - Heatley
Gagne - Sakic - Iginla
Kariya - Staal - Richards
Pronger - Phaneuf
Redden - Regehr
Blake - Hannan
I was never a fan of St. Louis, Draper or Doan being on the team, ditto for McCabe. I'll admit that Bouwmeester has been very good, and much better than I expected, and will credit team Canada where it's due - putting him on this team was the right decision. That said.. there were too many guys who were automatics on this team that shouldn't have been.
swflyers25
2-19-06, 8:31 PM
Way to go Frank, you shut out the Canadians! Hope Hitch watched this game good. Better start him when we start playing again.
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Newfie John
2-19-06, 9:38 PM
It's just like watching the Maple Leafs. Has Quinn lost it?
Leafs_Fa_Life
2-20-06, 12:38 AM
It's just like watching the Maple Leafs. Has Quinn lost it?
Penalty troubles, inability to finish, not playing an entire 60 minutes.
You might be on to something:thumb:
Round Robin is like training camp, have no fears as the lads will show up when it matters. They have done enough to get into the medal round and thats when we'll see a much improved game from the team.
Can somebody tell me why a team that has 4 players in the top 30 in goal scoring (including 3 in the top 13) in the NHL can't manage to score a goal in two games? But yet Eric Staal, who is 3rd in the league in points, and 4th in goals doesn't make the roster. By the way, Alex Tanguay is 9th in the NHL in points, Patrick Marleau is 13th, and Paul Kariya is 24th, and yet a grinder who is having a bad season on one of the top teams in the league (Draper), and power forward who has been inconsistent at best (Doan), and a player coming back down to earth after a ridiculous season (St. Louis) make the roster. Team Canada is going to have a hard time looking in the mirror if they fail to win a Gold this year.
Something else to throw out there, Jason Arnott, Brendan Shanahan, and Brenden Morrow all have more points right now than Lecavalier, St. Louis, Doan, or Draper. I'll bet that offense would have helped them score at least 1 goal the last two games.:thumb:
Max Power
2-20-06, 10:00 AM
Can somebody tell me why a team that has 4 players in the top 30 in goal scoring (including 3 in the top 13) in the NHL can't manage to score a goal in two games? But yet Eric Staal, who is 3rd in the league in points, and 4th in goals doesn't make the roster. By the way, Alex Tanguay is 9th in the NHL in points, Patrick Marleau is 13th, and Paul Kariya is 24th, and yet a grinder who is having a bad season on one of the top teams in the league (Draper), and power forward who has been inconsistent at best (Doan), and a player coming back down to earth after a ridiculous season (St. Louis) make the roster. Team Canada is going to have a hard time looking in the mirror if they fail to win a Gold this year.
Something else to throw out there, Jason Arnott, Brendan Shanahan, and Brenden Morrow all have more points right now than Lecavalier, St. Louis, Doan, or Draper. I'll bet that offense would have helped them score at least 1 goal the last two games.:thumb:
This will be the theme if Canada falls in the quarter final. Even here we?ve all question the picks over and over. There was too much loyalty for some players on the downward slide of their career. Either way it?s no were near over and Canada could easily find themselves in the semi or gold medal game. On the flip side team like the Slovaks or Russia could meat Canada in the quarter which is tough for them. Same goes with the US they could meet the Fins or Swiss and easily find themselves in the finals.
Madferret
2-20-06, 10:39 AM
How ironic that Nash again had the chance to cut the deficit to 2-1 and get us back in the game...only to shoot it right at Niitymawhateverhisnameiskii's jersey crest.
Way to go Rick!
There was too much loyalty for some players on the downward slide of their career.
Except one player and his name is Brendan Shanahan.Here's a guy who's having a better season than most players on this team and is the kind of guy we need out on our powerplay,you know the kind of guy that goes to the net hard and makes live miserable for the opponents defenceman.
But whats done is done and we have to live with the team we got and I'm confident they'll find a way to win.Its time some of Canada's fans(or should I say bandwagon fans) lay off the players and coaches and rally around them,support them intstead of ripping into them,its sickening to hear some of the crap thats being said(and posted on the forums) about Team Canada!:curse:
Go Team Canada Go!
Cheers
TimmyTabasco
2-21-06, 2:53 AM
Doan has no business being on this team, plain and simple. Nash-Thornton-Bertuzzi has looked to be fairly effective together when given the chance, and should be used more often. As I've stated many times, my team would've been...
Nash - Thornton - Bertuzzi
Smyth - Lecavalier - Heatley
Gagne - Sakic - Iginla
Kariya - Staal - Richards
Pronger - Phaneuf
Redden - Regehr
Blake - Hannan
I was never a fan of St. Louis, Draper or Doan being on the team, ditto for McCabe. I'll admit that Bouwmeester has been very good, and much better than I expected, and will credit team Canada where it's due - putting him on this team was the right decision. That said.. there were too many guys who were automatics on this team that shouldn't have been.
That lineup looks alot better. A good balance of skill, and grit.
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