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Uh.. wow.
Nash just scored.. it's not gonna count, but he definitely scored (on a beauty pass from Pronger ;) ).
Anyone else watching right now?
The Insider
2-18-06, 11:14 AM
This is going to be very tough to comeback from, 2 to tie, 3 to win and we need to spend the entire period inside of Switzerland's zone. I cannot believe that this Swiss team is leading after 2, but that's hockey I guess and now we've got to pull it together.
On a positive note, it'll show what this team is made of when trailing after 2.
The Insider
2-18-06, 12:06 PM
OUCH :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
First things first:
Congratulations to Switzerland.
Secondly.. a lot of things went wrong this game that shouldn't have.. the in the crease rule is terrible, Nash definitely scored.
Thirdly.. here's the rant.
Who would've thought that Canada would've lost due to poor coaching and being out-tended? Certainly I wouldn't have ever said that! :no:
Brodeur didn't play bad - but he wasn't even close to being as good as the guy at the other end of the ice. You can say we lost for a lot of reasons, but the easiest answer is often the correct one; Canada lost today because Martin Gerber played out of his mind and Martin Brodeur didn't. Sorry, we outshot them by what.. a 2-1 ratio? That goes on goaltending, regardless of how poor of a start we had.
That said.. Pat Quinn, why the hell are you here? What systems is our team using? I don't think anyone knows; including you! Have you motivated your team? Obviously not, given that first period. Is it that hard to understand you can't keep coming back to using the same players over and over again who are playing TERRIBLE when you're on a team that has 11 players who are considered first liners? Why did Iginla keep getting ice time when it was obvious to everyone but you that he had no business being on the ice? You actually did something smart.. you had three shifts (!) in a row where you did what I've been bitching about all along! First you send out Nash-Thornton-Bertuzzi.. and they score. It's disallowed, but they score. Then you actually give Ryan Smyth a chance to prove his worth, and he tips a point shot and is robbed by Gerber. Then you send out (and this is the real shocker!) the best line from 02 in Gagne - Sakic - Iginla and Iginla actually looks like a hockey player!
So what do you do after that? Why, you go back to the same old ****! GREAT THINKING! How you can continue to give Draper ice time when he's been absolutey terrible this entire tournament and we're down by 2 goals in the third period is just.. stunning.
Finally.. Gretzky. Think we could've used a guy by the name of Eric Staal today? What about Dion Phaneuf? Pronger looked liek he played 30 minutes today and there were several times where he looked down at his foot and you could see the kind of pain this guy is playing through. But nope! That'd make too much sense.. we need Bryan freaking McCabe to warm the bench, your captain to do a whole bunch of nothing and of course Kris Draper!
I'm not surprised we lost this game. Too much loyalty and an idiot behind the bench is a disaster waiting to happen.
Almost forgot to add.. Millen is still an idiot. Pronger takes a slapshot to clear the puck out of the zone on a PK and a Swiss player knocks it out of the air with his stick.. but it's a bad attempt by Pronger, not a great one-in-a-million play by the Swiss player :rolleyes:
KB in Kelowna
2-18-06, 1:44 PM
Pat Quinn, why the hell are you here? What systems is our team using? I don't think anyone knows; including you! Have you motivated your team? Obviously not, given that first period. Is it that hard to understand you can't keep coming back to using the same players over and over again who are playing TERRIBLE when you're on a team that has 11 players who are considered first liners? Why did Iginla keep getting ice time when it was obvious to everyone but you that he had no business being on the ice? You actually did something smart.. you had three shifts (!) in a row where you did what I've been bitching about all along! First you send out Nash-Thornton-Bertuzzi.. and they score. It's disallowed, but they score. Then you actually give Ryan Smyth a chance to prove his worth, and he tips a point shot and is robbed by Gerber. Then you send out (and this is the real shocker!) the best line from 02 in Gagne - Sakic - Iginla and Iginla actually looks like a hockey player!
So what do you do after that? Why, you go back to the same old ****! GREAT THINKING! How you can continue to give Draper ice time when he's been absolutey terrible this entire tournament and we're down by 2 goals in the third period is just.. stunning.
:rolleyes:
If I close my eyes I swear I am reading a rant in a Leaf forum after they play another bad game! These Olympics had better be Quinn's last hurrah coaching Team Canada, his coaching style wore out its welcome for me years ago.
This is a time for the veteran leadership on this team to speak up in the dressing room aand demand a solid 60 minutes in every game from here on in.
I'm not surprised we lost this game. Too much loyalty and an idiot behind the bench is a disaster waiting to happen.
This is the same idiot who coached the last 2 Canada teams and has won but sure blame him for this loss:confused: .It doesn't matter who's out there,this team should still win with these players,its that simple.Blame the likes of Pronger and the others that took stupid penalties after stupid penalties or even our powerplay which was awful! Coaching isn't why we lost,its the play of some of our players as to why we lost.How many times did we have a powerplay only to have it negated shortly after by taking a dumb penalty?Don't remember but it surely wasn't the coaches fault I'll tell you that!And where was the hitting???The players let a bunch of midgets skate around without even touching them,thats just unacceptable!
Anyways this is the wake up call this team needed so lets see how they respond next game.
Cheers
This is the same idiot who coached the last 2 Canada teams and has won but sure blame him for this loss:confused: .It doesn't matter who's out there,this team should still win with these players,its that simple.Blame the likes of Pronger and the others that took stupid penalties after stupid penalties or even our powerplay which was awful! Coaching isn't why we lost,its the play of some of our players as to why we lost.How many times did we have a powerplay only to have it negated shortly after by taking a dumb penalty?Don't remember but it surely wasn't the coaches fault I'll tell you that!And where was the hitting???The players let a bunch of midgets skate around without even touching them,thats just unacceptable!
Anyways this is the wake up call this team needed so lets see how they respond next game.
Cheers
I'd hardly say Pronger took stupid penalties. I've never seen a one handed slash until today, and a small cross check on a 5 on 3 is something that's NEVER called. The reffing was brutal on both sides of the puck today, all day, and I wouldn't hold anything against either team as far as penalties go.
Bertuzzi was hitting, but generally on the Olympic sized ice it's simply unreasonable to expect a lot of hitting.. simply too much room and a lot more time for the players to get ouf of the way of a big hit.
Finally.. you're defending Quinn, yet saying that the guys cmae out uninspired and that the powerplay sucked! That's coaching! The PP looks terrible because QUinn in all his genius has 4 PP QB's on the ice at the same time. He needs more Ryan Smyth's and Shane Doan's on the PP and less Thorntons and Nash's.. there's not enough puck movement because all teh guys he puts out (specifically forwards) are used to running the PP. Did Quinn win at the WC and last Olypics? Yes, but I felt it was inspite of him, not because of him.
I'm not really defending Quinn as I know better than most that he's not a great coach but I'm just not going to blame him for this loss,I solely blame the players for this loss.
Cheers
Madferret
2-18-06, 3:41 PM
YUCK
Madferret
2-18-06, 5:09 PM
That was probably the worst reffed game of hockey I have ever seen in my life. Seriously. What was the ref Russian? I'm still in shock that they didn't call Nash's a goal. WTF is that??
Gerber was solid and I'll give the Swiss credit for beating a lazy Canadian team but it's really hard to get back into a game when a ref is constantly taking momentum away. As soon as they disallowed that goal the game was over. Unbelievable.
KB in Kelowna
2-18-06, 5:35 PM
That was probably the worst reffed game of hockey I have ever seen in my life. Seriously. What was the ref Russian? I'm still in shock that they didn't call Nash's a goal. WTF is that??
Gerber was solid and I'll give the Swiss credit for beating a lazy Canadian team but it's really hard to get back into a game when a ref is constantly taking momentum away. As soon as they disallowed that goal the game was over. Unbelievable.
Did you catch where he stopped the game because of the rink glass?
The Insider
2-18-06, 5:40 PM
Tough loss for sure, but let's all remember that it is only one game which could very well end up being meaningless when it comes down to it.
Say what you will about the coaching, the officiating, and any other outside factors that you want to throw out there, but this game was won and lost because the Swiss team got spectacular goaltending and a few lucky bounces. First of all when you throw 49 shots on a guy in regulation and not get a goal, clearly the he has stole the game from you. And it's not as if the shots were all low percentage, a lot of them were in close and no matter what we threw at him, Gerber was outstanding. The ones that were disallowed though hurt the most, but as much as we may hate the rules, and trust me I think it is just as stupid as everyone else, the play stops when someone is in the crease and unfortunately the only time we beat Gerber clean we got caught so you can't really argue that point. Although as I said before, it is a stupid rule, but that's international hockey. The 2nd disallowed goal was just an amazing save that should've been a gimme especially for a Rocket Richard winner like Rick Nash. He gets that puck up half a foot higher and we aren't even discussing this, instead Gerber flashed the glove and they couldn't get any conclusive evidence that showed it was in, which might have looked clearly in from our view, but apparently(and take it for what it is worth) the goal judge didn't not have the magnified pictures that showed the puck in the net and that's why they called it no goal. You know those are the breaks sometimes, hell in the third period the puck got by Gerber and sat perfectly on the goal line for a couple seconds and was cleared away. It just wasn't our way tonight.
And trust me, this loss is embarassing, but maybe in the grand scheme of things it wasn't all that bad, I mean this team has been on an incredible winning streak, we swept the World Cup 2 years ago and after a loss to Sweden, a tie was the only other setback in the last Olympics, so maybe this is the wake up call that we needed since so far it has looked like this team has shown flashes of brilliance, but hasn't looked extremely dominant. This loss now lets the players know that if they don't bring it every minute of every period of every game that even a major underdog like the Swiss can pull a major upset.
Tommorow we've got Finland, a team who is 3-0 and has only allowed 2 goals all tournament. And not to sound too over confident, but after a team gets embarassed(unless they're located in Toronto :rolleyes: ) they come back the next game firing on all cylinders and show that it was just a bump in the road, which I expect this team to do. The vacation's over now, and hopefully this loss wakes up Canada and gets them rolling cause if this team is on, I doubt there is anyone that can stop us and at the end of the games, we may actually be thanking this Swiss team for giving us the kick in the ass that we needed :thumb:
Until then keep the faith my fellow Canucks :D
charlio lemieux
2-18-06, 7:49 PM
What a trap infested piece of garbage, highlighted with some dumb penalties and poor play from Canada, all mixed together with some of the worst refereeing I've seen. Yes he was Russian.
Personally I have already said in another thread I would rather watch NHL players playing NHL games than see them in the Olympics. Todays snoozefest only solidified that viewpoint. I can't wait for the NHL to start up again. I won't be going out of my way to watch anymore of these craptastic, trap filled sedatives, the IOC calls a hockey game.
Get the NHL out of the Olympics!
TimmyTabasco
2-18-06, 9:58 PM
What a trap infested piece of garbage, highlighted with some dumb penalties and poor play from Canada, all mixed together with some of the worst refereeing I've seen. Yes he was Russian.
Personally I have already said in another thread I would rather watch NHL players playing NHL games than see them in the Olympics. Todays snoozefest only solidified that viewpoint. I can't wait for the NHL to start up again. I won't be going out of my way to watch anymore of these craptastic, trap filled sedatives, the IOC calls a hockey game.
Get the NHL out of the Olympics!
Well, I must say..I really do miss the NHL :D
However, not all the games are trap infested games. I watched the Finland/Czech game..and it was quite entertaining. Those pesky Finns are looking VERY good.
The USA/Slovak game also had its moments. But, it seemed the Slovaks played more of a Minnesota Wild game.
Newfie John
2-19-06, 3:10 PM
Reading this I asked the question to myself, why isn't PDO coaching this team? :rolleyes:
Max Power
2-20-06, 10:50 AM
All I have to say is both goals should have counted. The second one was clearly in. From the side view I swear you could see the puck going behind the bar. I even paused it and zoomed in since the dumb asses at CBC wouldn?t.
Either way great game by Gerber and I can?t wait to face him in the playoffs
Move on and we?ll take it to the Fins? Uhh never mind
Finally.. you're defending Quinn, yet saying that the guys cmae out uninspired and that the powerplay sucked! That's coaching! The PP looks terrible because QUinn in all his genius has 4 PP QB's on the ice at the same time. He needs more Ryan Smyth's and Shane Doan's on the PP and less Thorntons and Nash's.. there's not enough puck movement because all teh guys he puts out (specifically forwards) are used to running the PP. Did Quinn win at the WC and last Olypics? Yes, but I felt it was inspite of him, not because of him.
To be honest, should the coaching staff really have to "inspire" a team full of NHL all-stars? A team with multiple Stanley Cup winners (Sakic, Blake, Foote, Brodeur, Lecavalier, Richards, St. Louis, Draper), three NHL captains (Sakic, Iginla, Foote), and plenty of experience? If a team like that can't "inspire" themselves, then the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the players.
As for the PP, how many players on the Canadian team play on the PP in the NHL? Practically all of them, and if they can't get their act together to score a PP goal, is that really the coaching staff's fault? No, it's the players for not executing.
Sure, the coaching staff needs to take some of the blame, but I think the people who put the team together (Gretzky & Co.), and the players themselves should take the brunt of it if Canada fails to win Gold.
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