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charlio lemieux
1-26-06, 3:49 PM
TSN.ca Staff

1/26/2006 2:26:30 PM

The Toronto Raptors have fired general manager Rob Babcock, saying he was the wrong choice for the job when he was hired 18 months ago. Wayne Embry will serve as interim general manager while a search for a full-time replacement gets underway.

The announcement was made at a Thursday afternoon news conference by Richard Peddie, the president and chief executive officer of Maple Leafs Sports and Entertainment.

The move comes the day after Toronto's record dropped to 14-29 following a 104-88 loss to visiting Chicago.

"This was a tough decision, but one that we feel is in our best long-term interests," Peddie said. "We recognize Rob's efforts to clear cap space and bring in young talent, but it's time to bring in someone with proven experience as an NBA general manager to take us to the next level.

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"In fairness to Rob, once we knew a change was necessary, we didn't think it was right to have him continue. And from a team perspective, making this move today better positions us as we look toward the trade deadline and then the draft this spring."





When pressed, Peddie admitted that hiring Babcock may have been a mistake, and he took the blame for the decision.

"I thought he was the right choice but after working with Rob for a year and a half now, I went to the board and recommended that we relieve him because I'm not convinced he's the one that we need long-term," said Peddie.

"I'm disappointed that Rob was the wrong choice for us. In hindsight (I) should have got someone who was more proven."

Peddie said he was happy to have a man like Embry available to pick up the ball - even if it's only temporary.

"Wayne has the leadership qualities and league-wide credibility that we need to get to the next level," Peddie said. "He has the full powers of a general manager. Included within his mandate to manage our team roster and player development, and to further develop Sam, Wayne's advice will be sought in the hiring of the next general manager."

Babcock was was hired on June 7, 2004. His reign got off to a rocky start when he selected centre Rafael Araujo with the 8th overall pick in the 2004 NBA Draft. The pick was widely panned and Araujo has been a bust to this point.

Then he signed volatile point guard Rafer Alston to a $30-million-US, six-year deal in July, 2004. Alston had skills, but was a major headache for the team.

On December 17, 2004, Babcock traded disgruntled superstar Vince Carter to the New Jersey Nets in exchange for Alonzo Mourning, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams and two first round draft picks. The trade earned Babcock the wrath of Raptors' fans and may have ultimately sealed his fate, especially when the Raptors ate $10 million just to get rid of Mourning.

It didn't help when Babcock told local media over the summer that he didn't expect the team to play very well this year.

"There will be growing pains, no doubt about it," Babcock said. "Whether we win or lose more games than last year, I think if you look at us on paper, we probably will not win as many games as last year."

His 2005 draft class was also criticized, but to be fair, has shown promise. Babcock also earned praise before the season for trading to Houston in exchange for solid pro Mike James, but the Raptors got off to a terrible 1-15 start.

It was reported that Babcock took to wearing earplugs at the games to drown out the criticsm from fans.

"As with a coach, a general manager is evaluated in large part by the results of his decisions," Peddie said. "Unfortunately, while some progress has been made recently, those results have not met our expectations. We have plans in place that we believe will lead us into the playoffs in the near future, and enable us to compete for an NBA championship down the road. We will begin our search for a general manager, perhaps one who has the experience to serve as team president, who has the skills to build that winning team and deliver the results we expect."

Peddie noted that Embry's appointment would be beneficial for coach Sam Mitchell, who had clashed with Babcock.

"We also feel that in moving Wayne into the role of general manager on an interim basis we will be better able to develop Sam Mitchell's growth toward being a very good NBA coach during the second half of the season," Peddie said.

Peddie also admitted, however, that the new GM might want a new coach.

It is not simply a new GM but a whole new attitude is needed.
The trading history of the Toronto Raptors is like something out of a horror story. They traded One of the best defensive forwards in the game in Camby. They traded Two of the best point guards in the league, in Carter and McGrady. Although it should be pointed out T-Mac can play forward. And they wonder why they aren't winning. It's a good thing MLSE bought the team. A trade history like this, is status quo for them.:wicked:
This Could be our line-up: Carter G, Rose G, McGrady F, Bosh F, Camby C
Wow. I doubt we would be 14-29 with these guys.

Who is the best candidate for the vacant GM job that is available?

Leafs_Fa_Life
1-26-06, 3:50 PM
Carter and McGrady were wing players, not PGs.

I think they should fire Peddie next.

charlio lemieux
1-26-06, 3:57 PM
NJ Carter, Vince (G )
HOU McGrady, Tracy (G/F )
TSN.ca says they are both Point Guards.

Leafs_Fa_Life
1-26-06, 4:05 PM
TSN.ca says they are both Point Guards.

G means guard, not point guard. Both play shooting guard and small forward, which makes them wing players. Do you even watch bball?

Madferret
1-26-06, 4:06 PM
They should trade Sundin next!

:stir:

Newfie John
1-26-06, 4:08 PM
Carter and T-Mac playing the point.:laughing: :laughing: Field goal percentages would be great I bet.:laughing:

I have no optimism regarding this firing. I just don't see a difference yet.

charlio lemieux
1-26-06, 4:34 PM
Point Guard/ Shooting guard
Who the F cares. The Point is they are gone.

Newfie John
1-26-06, 4:42 PM
Point Guard/ Shooting guard
Who the F cares. The Point is they are gone.

Nice pun.

Yes, Babcock's tenure was certainly a nightmare. But I don't think this firing is turning over a new leaf. For some reason I still expect more of the same.

Leafs_Fa_Life
1-26-06, 4:44 PM
Point Guard/ Shooting guard
Who the F cares. The Point is they are gone.

Somebody who isn't a casual fan and knows there's a HUGE difference between the two positions.

charlio lemieux
1-26-06, 6:55 PM
So I'm a casual fan? :shrug:
Did I ruin your day when I made a mistake?:doh:
Did my lack of BasketBall knowledge insult you?:curse:
I am so sorry. I am punishing myself now for my ignorance. :box:

The whole point is that Toronto can't seem to hold onto their star players. Toronto is not a desirable place to play for some, possibly most, NBA players. You look at the players that have been let go by the Raptors and you have an excellent starting 5. The NY Islanders of the NBA.

Leafs_Fa_Life
1-26-06, 7:55 PM
So I'm a casual fan? :shrug:
Did I ruin your day when I made a mistake?:doh:
Did my lack of BasketBall knowledge insult you?:curse:
I am so sorry. I am punishing myself now for my ignorance. :box:

It didn't ruin my day, but even people who don't watch bball could tell you he doesn't play the point. But whatever...

The whole point is that Toronto can't seem to hold onto their star players. Toronto is not a desirable place to play for some, possibly most, NBA players. You look at the players that have been let go by the Raptors and you have an excellent starting 5. The NY Islanders of the NBA.

I won't dispute this. The organization is a joke from top to bottom. The front office is bad and the player personnel is horrible. I'm willing to give the coaching staff some time since I like Sam Mitchell. As for players not wanting to play here, the solution is simple, win! They never had a problem getting talent when VC was on the top of his game and this was a playoff team. Carter, Davis, JYD, A. Williams and Hakeem all signed multi-year contracts with the Raps to play in Toronto. As for T-Mac, he left Toronto because he didn't wanna play in VC's shadow. Nothing they could've done to change T-Mac's mind.

Newfie John
1-26-06, 10:53 PM
Nothing they could've done to change T-Mac's mind.

Sure there was, trade Carter. Imagine the return then. This is all in hindsight though.

Amoroq
1-26-06, 11:41 PM
Carter and McGrady were wing players, not PGs.

I think they should fire Peddie next.As far as I know McGrady wasn't traded. As far as I know.

J.R.
1-27-06, 12:02 AM
As far as I know McGrady wasn't traded. As far as I know.
He left Toronto as a free agent, signed with Magic, then traded to Rockets.

I think LFL was clear writing:As for T-Mac, he left Toronto because he didn't wanna play in VC's shadow.

Leafs_Fa_Life
1-27-06, 12:03 AM
Sure there was, trade Carter. Imagine the return then. This is all in hindsight though.

Carter was GOD at the time.

Leafs_Fa_Life
1-27-06, 12:08 AM
Well technically T-Mac was traded to Orlando for a draft pick, but I think that had more to do with Orlando trying to get around the CBA since the team that owns a player's rights can offer him a bigger contract than a team on the free market. It allowed the Raps to get some compensation for McGrady when they knew he was on his way out.

Amoroq
1-27-06, 1:08 AM
He left Toronto as a free agent, signed with Magic, then traded to Rockets.

I think LFL was clear writing:Yea, I meant to quote Charlie, my bad.

Amoroq
1-27-06, 1:26 AM
IMO the firing of Babcock is a mistake. He wasn't and isn't the problem. The draft picks he got in return are paying dividends when everyone said he did a piss poor job drafting CV5, then signing Calderone as FA. Remember the Raptors still have 2 first round picks in the upcomming draft, one their own and one courtesy of VC. Babcock if you remember is one of the key ingredients in Keven Garnett ending up with the TWolves and Babcock hired Mitchell who tutoured Garnett as coach. Chris Bosh who is looking more and more like KG everyday, and the rooks and the players they now have at times this season look on the verge of something good. This team needed to stay the course. This team needed to keep everything together for more then 2 years as there have been changes in coaches and managers it seems every year. Time is needed for a managment team to put things in place and I think Babcock and the Raptors were on the cusp of good times.

Now lets fast forward to the end of the year. Chris Bosh has said that if he see's progress he will stick around. The change or changes that are now comming will more then likely slow down the progress that Babcock started and its now leaving the door open a crack for CB4 to walk out.

Peddie has patience for the managment and coaching staff of the other sports franchise but shows nothing for a team that really does show a good future, ODD!