View Full Version : Darcy Tucker deserves at least a 5 game suspension
Iced Tea
12-26-05, 11:10 PM
At 11:16 of the second period of the Leafs/Devils game, Tucker pulled Cam Janssen's helmet off during their fight and hit Janssen in the head with it twice.
The helmet became a weapon and it was clearly intent to injure. Considering helmets are designed to protect the head from pucks, a helmet is very tough and can be a deadly weapon when used to hit someone.
I hope Campbell doesn't wuss out like many of his rulings lately, and throws the book at Tucker. I also hope Campbell considers Tucker's past activities.
MadDevil
12-26-05, 11:41 PM
Watching the fight between Tucker and Janssen I didn't even know Tucker had hit him in the head with his helmet until they showed the replay. I don't know if Tucker really intentionally meant to injure Janssen with the helmet, but he should have let it go rather than continuing to punch Janssen with it in his hand.
Whether or not it's worth 5 games, I don't know. The NHL has never been consistent in their punishment, so it wouldn't shock me to see him get suspended for 5 games, or get off entirely. The day the NHL is consistent on suspensions/fines will be a first though.:rolleyes:
I wouldn't mind seeing him get suspended for 5 games, but I also think he's a worthless piece of crap who doesn't know when to shut up, so I'm probably a bit biased.:D
Iced Tea
12-27-05, 12:43 AM
Watching the fight between Tucker and Janssen I didn't even know Tucker had hit him in the head with his helmet until they showed the replay. I don't know if Tucker really intentionally meant to injure Janssen with the helmet, but he should have let it go rather than continuing to punch Janssen with it in his hand.
Whether or not it's worth 5 games, I don't know. The NHL has never been consistent in their punishment, so it wouldn't shock me to see him get suspended for 5 games, or get off entirely. The day the NHL is consistent on suspensions/fines will be a first though.:rolleyes:
I wouldn't mind seeing him get suspended for 5 games, but I also think he's a worthless piece of crap who doesn't know when to shut up, so I'm probably a bit biased.:DShould Tucker's intent matter? High sticking penalties are accessed no matter if it was intentional or not. Plus if the player hit bleeds, an extra two minutes is given, no matter the intent.
A stick can be used as a weapon, just look at what McSorley did to Brashear. A helmet can be used as a weapon too. Should Tucker get off with nothing just because Janssen wasn't knocked out and Tucker didn't mean to dot it. :rolleyes:
Pucker continues to prove himself one of the most classles, chickensh!t thugs ever in the game, Somebody really should Moore that puke.
"Um , Mr. Janssen, please stop throwing your own punches for a second will you, while I remove your helmut that is stuck? Thanks, now lets have a cup of tea shall we and then continue?"
Janssen has his own reputation, 5 GP LIFETIME in the NHL. 95 GP in the AHL, 454 penalties and was suspended 6 games last year. His whole purpose in life is to beat and get beat, those who think this was intent are on smack.
charlio lemieux
12-27-05, 6:35 AM
I thought it was funny. He eventually dropped it. It wasn't like he really smashed him with the helmut.
Was it worth 5 games? I don't know. Don't really care either.
Should Tucker's intent matter? High sticking penalties are accessed no matter if it was intentional or not. Plus if the player hit bleeds, an extra two minutes is given, no matter the intent.
A stick can be used as a weapon, just look at what McSorley did to Brashear. A helmet can be used as a weapon too. Should Tucker get off with nothing just because Janssen wasn't knocked out and Tucker didn't mean to dot it. :rolleyes:Absolutly, considering he got a 5 minute match penalty and missed the rest of the game, and I bet that is how the NHL will consider it. What am I thinking, this is an organisation that allows Bertuzzi who showed clear and present intent not only during but way before the incident to play. :rolleyes:
Tucker is an idiot and deserves to get a suspension.
Newfie John
12-27-05, 10:57 AM
Tea, a deadly weapon? LOL.
Anyway though, Tucks should be suspended. I love his passion on the ice, he's the type of guy you love to have on your team, but hate to be against. I think he'll get a suspension in the 2-5 game range.
Then again, I wouldn't be surprised to let him go scott free. I mean Bertuzzi got a pretty easy treatment considering his manslaughter.
$2500.00, no time off. Appropriate. The NHL finally got it right.
Newfie John
12-27-05, 2:16 PM
I don't know if appropriate is the word, but all things considered I'm not surprised. Janssen had no ill feelings toward Tucker afterward saying that it was just a spare of the moment type of thing and that he wasn't mad at Tucker for what he did. Actually he didn't even realize he was doing it until he seen the replay.
Still though, I thought he might get a game or two. Instead he got one of those "dont do it again" type of suspensions.
For a repeat offender who has a history of disregard for his opponents health and well being, this punishment is a joke. But as usual the result is what's punished, not the act. Bashing somebody over the head repeatedly with a slung helmet has a much higher likelihood of doing serious damage than punching somebody in the head, but when you punish the result and not the offense, everything goes out of whack.
I mean Bertuzzi got a pretty easy treatment considering his manslaughter."Manslaughter?" :conspire:
manslaughter (n.) - The unlawful killing of one human by another without express or implied intent to do injury.
Appropriate. The NHL finally got it right. :rollover2
Using a piece of hockey equipment as a weapon is what Marty McSorley did in 2000 and it's what Darcy Tucker did last night. The NHL is insane to let him off without a suspension. They're such a bunch of pussies down at head office.
And of course the Bertuzzi comparisons come in and people who've never worn a pair of skates make ridiculous claims :rolleyes:
Tucker deserved a couple games.. in all honesty, I doubt he even realized he had the helmet at first. Honest mistake - but one that still deserves a suspension.
And remember, I hate Tucker.
Iced Tea
12-27-05, 11:29 PM
Tea, a deadly weapon? LOL.
Anyway though, Tucks should be suspended. I love his passion on the ice, he's the type of guy you love to have on your team, but hate to be against. I think he'll get a suspension in the 2-5 game range.
Then again, I wouldn't be surprised to let him go scott free. I mean Bertuzzi got a pretty easy treatment considering his manslaughter.Newfie John, I'll stop taking my medication for a couple weeks, then come over to your house and hit you on the side of your head with a helmet a couple times. Then you'll know whether a helmet is a deadly weapon.
You laugh at what you deem an exaggeration by me yet you are guilty of an even worse claim. If Bertuzzi commited manslaughter, he'd be in jail or playing for the Senators.
From TSN,
"We did not feel it was Tucker's intent to hurt Janssen with the helmet," Campbell said Tuesday. "He was trying to get the helmet off and I don't think he was trying to use it as a weapon."Link (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=148372&hubname=)
Campbell is a moron. The second Tucker hit Janssen in the head with the helmet, the helmet became a weapon. Campbell must be a good lawyer if he can make up this garbage.
With Tucker's dirty play over the years, he should have received a suspension. Giving him a fine is a slap on the wrist and will do nothing to stop him or other players from beating someone with a helmet.
Good to see that Campbell is consistent with his rulings. What a total crock. :rolleyes:
If it was Janssen who hit Tucker with a helmet, Janssen would be suspended for 10 games and Leafs fans would be calling for his head. What a joke.
Newfie John, I'll stop taking my medication for a couple weeks, then come over to your house and hit you on the side of your head with a helmet a couple times. Then you'll know whether a helmet is a deadly weapon.
You laugh at what you deem an exaggeration by me yet you are guilty of an even worse claim. If Bertuzzi commited manslaughter, he'd be in jail or playing for the Senators.
From TSN,
Link (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=148372&hubname=)
Campbell is a moron. The second Tucker hit Janssen in the head with the helmet, the helmet became a weapon. Campbell must be a good lawyer if he can make up this garbage.
With Tucker's dirty play over the years, he should have received a suspension. Giving him a fine is a slap on the wrist and will do nothing to stop him or other players from beating someone with a helmet.
Good to see that Campbell is consistent with his rulings. What a total crock. :rolleyes:
If it was Janssen who hit Tucker with a helmet, Janssen would be suspended for 10 games and Leafs fans would be calling for his head. What a joke.I think what was missing in Tuckers actions was intent, sure he intended to hurt Janssen with his fists, it was a fight, but the helmut was a result of the fight not a result of Tucker picking up the helmut and hitting Janssen with it. What was Tucker to do? Allow Janssen to throw punches, which he did with his own furry and shake the helmut off his hand? Even Janssen himself said that he holds no ill will towards Tucker. It was one of those things that happen. They key words are Intent to injure and other then the fists, there was non of that here. You say that a highstick to the face that draws blood, even un-intentional deserves a 4 minute penalty. The same applies here, Tucker got a 5 minute match penalty and because of that a game misconduct. Not only did Tucks miss 5 and a game, but another player for the leafs, I believe it was Czerzneski (long since given up on this spelling) had to serve Tuckers 5 minutes. The punishment fits the crime.
What was Tucker to do?
Uh how'bout letting go of the helmet instead of repeatedly beating somebody over the head with it... :rolleyes:
Newfie John
12-28-05, 8:44 AM
Teabag, you make this helmet hitting thing a common occurence, like its some sort of epidemic. It isn't. Tucker was in a fight, a spirited one at that. He was trying to get Janssens helmet off, in the process getting his head punched off. With all that adrenaline running through him, everything happening so quickly, his stimulus reaction is to fight back and unfortunately the helmet was still in his hands. It's like the kind of reaction you get when you put your hand on a hot stove. "Wow, thats hot, I should take my hand off of this now". Obviously thats not what happens. A similar instinct reaction happened here. It took two hits for Tucker to realize he had the thing in his hands. Neither Tucker or Janssen knew about the helmet thing until they seen the replays.
Upon further review, being kicked out of the game was suspension enough, and the fine was fitting afterward.
Oh, and the day I see a murderer come after anyone with a helmet(other then you), then I'll say you're right.
So... if he did nothing wrong, then why is the major and fine allright???
BS Pucker didn't know the helmet was there until he saw the replays, what a farce, why did he let go of it after bashing the guy with it a few times?
Newfie John
12-28-05, 11:39 AM
So... if he did nothing wrong, then why is the major and fine allright???
BS Pucker didn't know the helmet was there until he saw the replays, what a farce, why did he let go of it after bashing the guy with it a few times?
I never said he did nothing wrong. You can believe what you want but what I said is very plausible and probably happened.
So what did he do wrong then?
Darsehole Tucker
12-28-05, 12:17 PM
I think all the comparisons to Bertuzzi are way off, but a comparison to Havlat should be drawn here. Both Tucker and Havlat have "reputations", both Hal Gill and Janssen were uninjured in each incident but Havlat gets 5 games and Tucker gets nothing (a fine is nothing). If we are allowing Tuckers excuse that "it was in the heat of the moment" and he didn't have the intent....did Campbell think that Havlat went out on his shift thinking he was going to kick Gill? That's horse^&*. Havlat takes one swipe at the guy with a weak weak kick, Tucker wails on his guy with a helmet multiple times. Appropriate? The NHL got it right? WTF? Garbage. If we wash away of the comparisons to Havlat and Bertuzzi and just say what he did: He took a guy's helmet off and started beating him with it. The league gives no suspension. What message is that sending?
Max Power
12-28-05, 12:20 PM
The NHL got it right? lol yeah really
First off isn't this the second time Tucker has done this? I seem to remember a Sens game where he did the exact same thing. I can't remember the exact incident so I could be wrong on the player.
Again some leafers judgment and opinions are based on double standards. A player who reacts without judgment on the leafs is passionate but on any other team and particularly the Sens he's a dirty swine. A clearing attempt with a stick swing is worthy of an NHL ban while using a helmet to smash someone?s head is worthy of a lite fine?
What's even more amusing is Tucker himself and his stage performance saying "I didn't know I was hitting him with his helmet". Although I can understand why some leaf fans might live in delusion and believe this after watching Sportsnet but the reality is he would have known exactly what he was doing and anybody who's ever been in a fight will tell you so.
Oh BTW you don't need to pause a fight to open and close your palm. This can be simply done on recoil when punching. The concept is very simple.
As far as my true opinion goes I don?t care about the incident and don?t think any different of Tucker or any other player who has or would do the same. It?s a tough competitive sport where emotions run high and players make judgment mistakes. Do all these players deserve equal punishment for the crime? Yes obviously! Should all players who have done stupid things like Tucker, Domi, Havlat, Hatcher, Bertuzi?ect be judged the rest of their career? No they should not! The only people who continue to judge are the petty fans
Newfie John
12-28-05, 1:25 PM
So what did he do wrong then?
Take a guess. He got a match penalty for it and a 2500 dollar fine.
Take a guess. He got a match penalty for it and a 2500 dollar fine.
Nice cop-out. :rolleyes:
Newfie John
12-28-05, 1:45 PM
Nice cop-out. :rolleyes:
What cop-out? I'm being honest here. I'm sorry I didn't tell you what you wanted to hear though.
Honest? You didn't even answer the question.
Newfie John
12-28-05, 1:54 PM
Honest? You didn't even answer the question.
You asked what was wrong. I told you to take a guess, since its what this thread is all about, I didn't think it would be that difficult to get a grasp of.
You asked what was wrong. I told you to take a guess, since its what this thread is all about, I didn't think it would be that difficult to get a grasp of.
Like I said, nice cop-out.
charlio lemieux
12-28-05, 4:23 PM
$2500 fine.
:roll: :roll: :rollover2 :rollover2 :rollover2 :rollover2 :rollover2
Newfie John
12-28-05, 4:34 PM
Like I said, nice cop-out.
Ah, I get it now. This is what you say when theres nothing else you can say.
BS Pucker didn't know the helmet was there until he saw the replays, what a farce, why did he let go of it after bashing the guy with it a few times?
This is beginning to remind me of the famous excuse: "Doh, I didn't know the gun was loaded."
How can you forget you have a helmet in your hand when you just took it off somebody's head?? :no:
Once again I shake my head at the stupidity of the NHL's punative measures.
Newfie John
12-28-05, 5:05 PM
Guys, I don't know about you but how many times I've been looking for my keys only to find them in my hands. Same logic happens here. When you're in a fight and all that adrenaline is pumping through you(you'd have to experience it to know what its like) you don't know sh!t, all you know is that you want to knock this guys block off.
Ah, I get it now. This is what you say when theres nothing else you can say.
Yeah... that's it...
(nice cop-out btw)
Guys, I don't know about you but how many times I've been looking for my keys only to find them in my hands.
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Newfie John
12-28-05, 6:09 PM
Yeah... that's it...
(nice cop-out btw)
Keep chirping. It's kind of funny because its you who's the one copping out.
Yeah, I'm the one refusing to answer the question... :rolleyes: :laugh:
I'll just smash my head into the wall.
Enough.
This thread is being re-opened by request, as some people wish to continue discussing this topic.
If you have nothing useful to lend to the discussion, then please move along and don't ruin it for everyone else.
Thanks for your cooperation. - Mel
Anybody find video of this?
Here's the question, If a helmet is "tangled up in your hands", or even if you're holding on to it by making a fist over the strap, but you're not trying to hit somebody over the head with it but rather are trying to punch them in the face, are the motions to do either the same, and if you're trying to do the latter, will you connect with the helmet?
Max Power
12-29-05, 1:39 PM
Question for Leaf fans or anybody for that matter. Do you think Colin Campbell?s decision process can be flawed or influenced by the fact that his office is in the Air Canada centre. The guy lives and breaths right in the middle of the self declared hockey universe where all hockey revolves around to those who bleed blue. I don?t know how the guy can?t be influenced by working right next to the leaf brass and listening to none stop leaf media. I don?t care how unbiased you try to be it would still be literally impossible.
I?ve had this discussion last season when something similar happened but I can?t remember the incident. Colin Campbell should not be making any final decision. It should be sent to a third party in a none hockey environment whose explicit job is to review tapes and pass the penalties. Using equipment as a weapon should not have two standards. If you do it you get a penalty and everyone gets the same.
Guys, I don't know about you but how many times I've been looking for my keys only to find them in my hands. Same logic happens here. When you're in a fight and all that adrenaline is pumping through you(you'd have to experience it to know what its like) you don't know sh!t, all you know is that you want to knock this guys block off.
I?d be perfectly content with agreeing with you NJ that it is a ?heat of the moment? kind of thing but in no way could Tucker not have known what he was doing. Not only that but Tucker is a self confessed media liar so how can he be really trusted?
Either way I don?t care, these things happen? Now all I?d like you to admit is if Tucker can make stupid mistakes in the heat of the moment then other players can too including you?re hated Havlat. Hopefully you can realize your hatred is purely based on rivalries and not on logic as you would be defending the repeat offender Havlat if he was a leaf just like you?re defending the repeat offender Tucker
Newfie John
12-29-05, 1:43 PM
I can admit Tucker made a stupid mistake. I'm not denying that, he makes many of them. I just don't think what he did warrants a 5 game suspension and all of the defending I did for Tucker was for the reason that people were calling for his head, when it's really not that big of a deal.
Question for Leaf fans or anybody for that matter. Do you think Colin Campbell’s decision process can be flawed or influenced by the fact that his office is in the Air Canada centre. The guy lives and breaths right in the middle of the self declared hockey universe where all hockey revolves around to those who bleed blue. I don’t know how the guy can’t be influenced by working right next to the leaf brass and listening to none stop leaf media. I don’t care how unbiased you try to be it would still be literally impossible.
I'd say that's the only explaination for such a blatantly biased non-suspension for a guy with a long history of this sort of thuggery.
slapshot™
12-29-05, 2:13 PM
I'd say that's the only explaination for such a blatantly biased non-suspension for a guy with a long history of this sort of thuggery.
I like the word, thuggery. Same goes for brouhaha and melee.
They are such good hockey words. You never hear those words in bowling, golf or curling.
I'd say that's the only explaination for such a blatantly biased non-suspension for a guy with a long history of this sort of thuggery.So now its a conspiracy....I love it!! :laughing:
I can't wait to hear what Cherry has to say about this one. I really am disappointed with Campbell. If anybody can stop cheap shots and stupidity it is him, yet he is rarely consistant with his punative measures.
Tucker SEEMS to get away with far too much. His "mistakes" occur far too often to ignore.
So now its a conspiracy....I love it!! :laughing:
Who said anything about conspiracy?:conspire: We were talking about bias... :no:
swflyers25
12-29-05, 6:44 PM
Anybody find video of this?
Ask and you shall receive.
http://rapidshare.de/files/9942820/C.Janssen_vs_D.Tucker.mpg.html
Ask and you shall receive.
http://rapidshare.de/files/9942820/C.Janssen_vs_D.Tucker.mpg.html
Excellent, thank-you.
So, what I see from that is that it was not the strap that Pucker had a hold of, but rather the side of the helmet, and he was clearly not trying to punch with the helmet somehow "tangled up" in his hand, he was clearly refusing to let go of the helmet, instead holding on to the side of it and using it to smash Jansen in the head repeatedly.
The guy is a piece of garbage, has been from day 1, this is just 1 more example out of many.
charlio lemieux
12-29-05, 7:00 PM
I’ve had this discussion last season when something similar happened but I can’t remember the incident. Colin Campbell should not be making any final decision. It should be sent to a third party in a none hockey environment whose explicit job is to review tapes and pass the penalties. Using equipment as a weapon should not have two standards. If you do it you get a penalty and everyone gets the same.
You mean this incident?
Mar 22, 2004 The NHL has suspended Wade Belak for eight games - six regular season games and two playoff games - for striking Ossi Vaananen with his stick Saturday night.
Campbell must have been somewhere else when he handed that one down. Why? See below.
Do you think Colin Campbell’s decision process can be flawed or influenced by the fact that his office is in the Air Canada centre?
Of course. He knows good and well that should he leverage discipline on the head of any Maple Leaf he will be tossed out of his cushy office, right onto the street. Only after he has been forced to run a gaunlet of enraged Maple Leafs staff and players with their broken composite sticks in hand, while he is wearing a Cappy Alfie #11 Sens jersey. :D
If his integrity is that low, he should not be in his position. Still, only $2500 for hitting a goon with his own head gear, is one of the better jokes I've heard lately. I guess if I was not a Leafs fan I would be upset too. But since I am a Leafer; Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Who said anything about conspiracy?:conspire: We were talking about bias... :no:Yes and there really is a Santa Claus ;)
Yes and there really is a Santa Claus ;)
Well then I suggest you ask if he'll bring you a clue next xmas.
Well then I suggest you ask if he'll bring you a clue next xmas.Tucker scores again, the dirty leaf bastid!
Newfie John
12-30-05, 8:46 AM
Tucker leads the team in goals now with 16. Atta boy Tucks. Call em what you want, dirty or whatever. He's a good hockey player.
Darsehole Tucker
12-30-05, 11:23 AM
I just don't think what he did warrants a 5 game suspension
What?
Anyway though, Tucks should be suspended. ... I think he'll get a suspension in the 2-5 game range.
ADD:
Anyways, the league dropped the ball on this issue. To once again quote my favorite newfie (found here (http://www.hockeystation.com/showthread.php?t=1805) "This sh!t isn't part of the game and we have to show it's frowned upon"
Anyways, the league dropped the ball on this issue. To once again quote my favorite newfie (found here (http://www.hockeystation.com/showthread.php?t=1805) "This sh!t isn't part of the game and we have to show it's frowned upon"
Oh come on now, beating somebody over the head with a helmet is just "oldtime hockey" and you know it. :rolleyes:
Newfie John
12-30-05, 11:44 AM
Guys if you think this is as bad as a kick all I can do is laugh at you.
Max Power
12-30-05, 12:06 PM
I find it funny that after making a valid argument the rebuttal is nothing more then a sarcastic remark and a stupid emoticon. I guess this is the way some of you get valid topics locked that you don?t want to deal with.
Charlio that incident is not the one... It was a similar incident as this one. I agree with your point that you'd hope the man has more integrity then that but it's still not my point. The fact is that he works in the same building as leaf management so developing friendships is inevitable and does conflict with his job. Also considering that TO is probably the biggest media hot bed for hockey how in the world can he be immune from the propaganda so to say.
Guys if you think this is as bad as a kick all I can do is laugh at you.
The point is NJ is that all leaf fans participating in this discussion are tap-dancing around the issue and blatantly spinning anything they can too support the NHL's decision. Stick, helmet or skate I don't care what it is its still using equipment as a weapon and should be a mandatory suspension. I agree there are different severities but that's not the point. The point is a suspension should have occurred. A one day at minimum would have sent the appropriate message but now we have a case of complete inconsistency.
I find it funny that after making a valid argument the rebuttal is nothing more then a sarcastic remark and a stupid emoticon. I guess this is the way some of you get valid topics locked that you don?t want to deal with.
Charlio that incident is not the one... It was a similar incident as this one. I agree with your point that you'd hope the man has more integrity then that but it's still not my point. The fact is that he works in the same building as leaf management so developing friendships is inevitable and does conflict with his job. Also considering that TO is probably the biggest media hot bed for hockey how in the world can he be immune from the propaganda so to say.
The point is NJ is that all leaf fans participating in this discussion are tap-dancing around the issue and blatantly spinning anything they can too support the NHL's decision. Stick, helmet or skate I don't care what it is its still using equipment as a weapon and should be a mandatory suspension. I agree there are different severities but that's not the point. The point is a suspension should have occurred. A one day at minimum would have sent the appropriate message but now we have a case of complete inconsistency.
MP knows.
charlio lemieux
12-30-05, 2:02 PM
I'm a leafs fan and I am not tapdancing. I think it is Funny as hell that he got away with a $2500 fine. As I said before if I were on the other side I am sure I would be pissed. But I am not.
He has never been a favorite of mine and I couldn't care less if he were traded, but for now he is a Leaf. So, Go Tucker, you stupid F*cker!
Newfie John
12-30-05, 2:07 PM
Hey Max, if it were Havlat that had done this, you could bet your bottom dollar I'd be on the other side of the fence on this one, and so would you. I'll be honest, I love arguing. One of the things I love the most. It also stands the reason why I post so damn much. I know I'm being hypocritical, you can sue me if you like, but Tucker probably did deserve a suspension. Defending him in this matter makes for a good arguement(or debate, whatever you like to call it). I thought Tucker would get one for sure, when I seen he didn't I had to laugh and get on here to get under the skin of you guys. All in good fun I'd say, I enjoy it. As I'm sure many of you do. I know Man U and I used to always get into arguements just like this, and say how much we enjoyed it afterward.
The fact remains though, Havlat is a dirty little bugger and he's a cheapshot artist. I'd hate to see him on the Toronto Maple Leafs. Tucker has pulled his cheapshots, but nothing Taboo. No where close to a kick, or planning before a game to hurt someone, and then go out and break their neck. People hate Tucker mainly because he's a Maple Leaf, but also because of his supposed low hit on Peca(an illegal body check) or this heat of the moment incident. I know how things can happen in the heat of the moment, thats what happened here with Tucker. Should he have been suspended? Probably(i know what I said, sue me..lol). But he isn't as bad as Havlat, Bertuzzi or yes, Tie Domi.
As for the apparent conspiracy theory with Campbell in the ACC, I don't know about that one. Couldn't see Campbell doing that, and if he were in an environment like that I'd think he'd take himself out of it. I know he didn't come down on easy for Domi(rightfully so).
go_leafs_go02
12-30-05, 2:08 PM
With that event..tucker dropped quickly from my list of favourite leafs players. He SHOULD HAVE been suspended at least 2-5 games. He hit him with a helmet..i caught it the first time around..and I said immediately "oh tucker will be gone for a game or two" and especially seeing his antics after the fight disturbed me. I felt sorry for Janssens..however, I also though his gesturing to the officiating crew was that he wanted out of the fight, but instead it was telling the refs to keep out of it for now.
I guess Janssens' comments should reduce the suspension a little bit, (think Heatley/Snyder for example) But yet, 2500 bucks is laughable at best. He hit him with the helmet, accident or not, he still used the helmet on his head.
Tucker isn't even near the top of my list of favourite players (McCabe, Wellwood, and Sundin are, and to a lesser extent Kaberle)...but last year..he most definately was #1 in my books following the departure of Sergei Berezin. (funny I know..but true!)
Tucker has pulled his cheapshots, but nothing Taboo. No where close to a kick, or planning before a game to hurt someone, and then go out and break their neck.
Oh my.
Pucker's DELIBERATE, and PREMEDITATED career-threatening submarining of Peca is one of the very worst and most dispicable acts I have ever seen in the game of hockey. It was disgusting and brutal and another example of Pucker not receiving what he deserves, which is a long suspension from the NHL.
Newfie John
12-30-05, 2:42 PM
Could you prove to me it was deliberate? Could you do the same to say it was premeditated? Come on. You talk about bias. He was finishing his check, and he hit him low. It happens. Did he mean to? Chances are? Did he plan it pre game? Definately not. Once again, a heat of the moment type of thing. A dirty body check is something which is quite common. It's actually quite borderline dirty. Nothing to the magnitude of Tuzzi's or Havlat's actions.
It was widely reported that Pucker threatened to "kill" Peca, to "hurt" him, to "get" him, and that's just what he did.
If you can't see that that "hit" was so ridiculously late, low and deliberately so then I would suggest that your experience with hockey is rather limited.
Darsehole Tucker
12-30-05, 4:21 PM
The fact remains though, Havlat is a dirty little bugger and he's a cheapshot artist.
Call em what you want, dirty or whatever. He's a good hockey player.
Call Havlat whatever you want, he's a great hockey player.
Darsehole Tucker
12-30-05, 4:48 PM
I'll be honest, I love arguing. One of the things I love the most. It also stands the reason why I post so damn much. I know I'm being hypocritical
Way to stand behind your argument. You almost still have credibility on this topic. You've basically admitted that you like arguing for the sake of arguing.
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John I don't hate Tucker because he is a leaf. I hate him because his the king of cheap shots. IMO he is a classless goon that gives hockey a bad name.
Newfie John
12-30-05, 7:01 PM
Call Havlat whatever you want, he's a great hockey player.
Hey, I can admit that. He has good skills and can score goals. It's a sin because that talent is being wasted in such a bad person.
I like arguing, but liking arguing and being a troll are two different things. I don't come into forums looking for a fight. I'm just talking about a good healthy arguement. Sometimes its hard to do that when you come to personal attacks.
Yoata, I'm not familiar with Tuckers comments saying he wanted to kill Peca. If you could show those to me then my opinions may change.
If Tucker never played for the Leafs and was still in Tampa this would never have been a topic in the first place. Lets all admit that first. 2nd, I too was surpirsed he didn't get a suspension, but not for this event, for his past history. I still stand by that this was not a deliberate act, and that the NHL got it right this time. It wasn't deliberate, he got a 5 min match and missed the game. Appropriate.
Come on people, admit it, there are players in this league we can't stand but would love them on our team. Marchment, Avery and yes Tucker. I can't stand Havlat, Alfredson and few others in the league but I'd be their #1 fan in they played for the Blue and White.
Darsehole Tucker
12-30-05, 7:48 PM
If Tucker never played for the Leafs and was still in Tampa this would never have been a topic in the first place.
Incorrect. If Tucker still played for Tampa and had done this in a game against any Canadian team this would still have been a hot topic, and had he done this to Wade Belak or Tie Domi, NJ would have joined Quinn in the campaign to have Tucker permanently banned from the NHL.
Hey, I can admit that. He has good skills and can score goals. It's a sin because that talent is being wasted in such a bad person.
I like arguing, but liking arguing and being a troll are two different things. I don't come into forums looking for a fight. I'm just talking about a good healthy arguement. Sometimes its hard to do that when you come to personal attacks.
Yoata, I'm not familiar with Tuckers comments saying he wanted to kill Peca. If you could show those to me then my opinions may change.
Mindboggling that the same person who calls Havlat " a bad person ", defends a piece of garbage like Pucker.
As I said, it was widely reported.
If Tucker never played for the Leafs and was still in Tampa this would never have been a topic in the first place. Lets all admit that first. 2nd, I too was surpirsed he didn't get a suspension, but not for this event, for his past history. I still stand by that this was not a deliberate act, and that the NHL got it right this time. It wasn't deliberate, he got a 5 min match and missed the game. Appropriate.
Come on people, admit it, there are players in this league we can't stand but would love them on our team. Marchment, Avery and yes Tucker. I can't stand Havlat, Alfredson and few others in the league but I'd be their #1 fan in they played for the Blue and White.
That's called bias, glad you can finally admit it.
I would never want a scumbag like Pucker on the Nucks, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve to wear the winged wheel, same goes for Maimement and Apery.
Again, how can a guy holding on to the side of a helmet and bashing a guy repeatedly over the head with it, instead of simply dropping it after pulling it off a guy's head not be called deliberate???:confused:
I like arguing, but liking arguing and being a troll are two different things. I don't come into forums looking for a fight.:conspire: I thought Tucker would get one for sure, when I seen he didn't I had to laugh and get on here to get under the skin of you guys.So you deliberately come on HockeyStation.com to infuriate other members? :rolleyes:
Newfie John
12-30-05, 10:37 PM
Mindboggling that the same person who calls Havlat " a bad person ", defends a piece of garbage like Pucker.
As I said, it was widely reported.
Could you prove it? I can't remember this widely reported story. If you can't its just more bias on your part.
And JR, not to infuriate members. It's all in good fun. As I said, Man U and I used to have a grand laugh at it, the Ferret too(where's he been lately?). If you get infuriated at my posts I suggest you step away from your computer.
charlio lemieux
12-30-05, 11:21 PM
he got a 5 min match and missed the game. Appropriate.
He also took an extended beating, when Janssens kept waving the linesmen away. That was funny too. :D They where going to stop the fight a couple of times, but backed off.
That's called bias, glad you can finally admit it.
I would never want a scumbag like Pucker on the Nucks, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve to wear the winged wheel, same goes for Maimement and Apery.
Again, how can a guy holding on to the side of a helmet and bashing a guy repeatedly over the head with it, instead of simply dropping it after pulling it off a guy's head not be called deliberate???:confused:And what this is is denial. How you can honestly sit there and say you wouldn't want Tucker, Avery or a younger Marchment on your team is incredible.
Guys if you think this is as bad as a kick all I can do is laugh at you.
One weak kick to an area that has protection OR multiple punches with a solid object to a very sensitive area of the body lacking protection? I would take the single kick from someone falling away from me. And I was under the assumption that the NHL was trying to crack down on any shots to the head, yet they basically ignore this issue.
I would take the single kick from someone falling away from me.I can understand this answer in your case JR, having it lopped off is probably better then suffering from blue balls ;) :laughing:
charlio lemieux
12-31-05, 12:27 AM
I can understand this answer in your case JR, having it lopped off is probably better then suffering from blue balls ;) :laughing:
Blue Balls Bad, Very very Bad.:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Leafs_Fa_Life
12-31-05, 12:38 AM
LMAO!!!!
Could you prove it? I can't remember this widely reported story. If you can't its just more bias on your part.
Bias on my part... :roll: :roll: :roll:
And what this is is denial. How you can honestly sit there and say you wouldn't want Tucker, Avery or a younger Marchment on your team is incredible.
Hardly.
I like CLASSY players on my teams, not guys who endanger other players and get their teammates hurt because of their BS.
Those guys don't even belong in the league, and remember Apery was a Wing, don't think his antics aren't part of the reason he was dealt, and I'm very definitely glad he was.
Despite his having helped them win a cup, I wish Chelios had never become a Wing, he doesn't derseve it, although he's not nearly the diry player he once was, I will always hate him.
Newfie John
12-31-05, 9:35 AM
Bias on my part... :roll: :roll: :roll:
Yeah, imagine that. Still waiting on that source.
Yeah, imagine that. Still waiting on that source.
Yeah, I'm the leafer...
I'm sure even you are capable of finding it...
Newfie John
12-31-05, 3:46 PM
Yeah, I'm the leafer...
I'm sure even you are capable of finding it...
Actually I tried. I can't find it. Verify your source.
Actually I tried. I can't find it. Verify your source.
You should try this new search engine out, it's called google...
Leafs_Fa_Life
12-31-05, 4:47 PM
It was widely reported that Pucker threatened to "kill" Peca, to "hurt" him, to "get" him, and that's just what he did.
It was widely reported, but the only person to say Tucker threatened to "kill" Peca was Peca himself. No other player on the ice can back that claim. Also, even if Tucker did say that, you can't be naive enough to think stuff like that doesn't get said on the ice all the time. Hockey's a physical and intense sport, and sh*t like that probably gets said more often that you think. I highly doubt there's any correlation between the this reported incident, and the Tucker hit later in the series. Tucker saw Peca admiring his pass, and went in for the kill shot. I doubt he passes up on that hit, regardless of what was supposedly said earlier in the series, and there's nothing wrong with going for that hit IMO. Yes, the hit was dirty, but it wasn't illegal. No penalty was given out on the play, or suspension after it was reviewed by the league.
It was widely reported, but the only person to say Tucker threatened to "kill" Peca was Peca himself. No other player on the ice can back that claim. Also, even if Tucker did say that, you can't be naive enough to think stuff like that doesn't get said on the ice all the time. Hockey's a physical and intense sport, and sh*t like that probably gets said more often that you think. I highly doubt there's any correlation between the this reported incident, and the Tucker hit later in the series. Tucker saw Peca admiring his pass, and went in for the kill shot. I doubt he passes up on that hit, regardless of what was supposedly said earlier in the series, and there's nothing wrong with going for that hit IMO. Yes, the hit was dirty, but it wasn't illegal. No penalty was given out on the play, or suspension after it was reviewed by the league.
BS, if it was such an ordinary occurrence, why would it have been brought up at all?
"Kill shot"is appropriate, and who gives a rat's ass if it was ''legal'', it was dirty as hell and that's the point.
charlio lemieux
1-01-06, 1:31 AM
Whoa. No date tonight Tea?
:D :laughing:
Couldn't help it. Sorry.
Can somebody please lock this thread before i lose it with a certain member who is really going over board.
STOP it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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