View Full Version : Why is Bertuzzi booed everywhere he goes?
Iced Tea
12-15-05, 10:54 PM
Serious question.
Yes, Bertuzzi did an extreme stupid and sick thing by punching Steve Moore in the head. So I can understand if the rotten Avs fans boo him. I can understand when the Rangers fans booed because Steve's brother plays for the Rangers. I can understand when the Wild's fans boo him because Bertuzzi made some comments about the Canucks easily beating the Wild during the playoffs several years ago (The Canucks lost the series). I can understand when the Oilers or Flames fans boo him.
But why do the Flyers fans boo him? Why do other Western teams' fans boo him?
Is it really about Bertuzzi injuring Moore? Do many of the fans really care about that anymore and it's just a technique to get Bertuzzi off his game? Or are there just a bunch of drunken idiots who like to boo Bertuzzi just for the fun of it.
Like I said, this is a serious question so no stupid comments please.
wildboy26
12-15-05, 11:06 PM
I honestly think what he did still genuinely bothers many people, and the fact many feel the punishment does not fit the crime. Keep in mind it does not take a majority of a crowd to create that atmosphere, 30% would be enough, as long as the rest are not too boisterous the other way. I do believe alot of people feel it is not right that he has not even had to go to civil court yet and the first attempt at one was thrown out, that the criminal case was dismissed so easily without even a trial or Moore getting a chance to state his facts, and that missed the end of one NHL season(although many would point out the World Champs. and World Cup he likely missed due to the incident).
Canucklehead
12-15-05, 11:12 PM
You've got to keep in mind that most of the fans who attend sporting events such as hockey games aren't necessarily the most knowlegeable sports fans, just the richest socialites in the city. IMO, most of the fans who boo Bert are going along with it becasue it's the cool thing to do.
I think a lot of people are experiencing difficulty forgetting what Bert did and are letting him know it.
Canucklehead
12-15-05, 11:23 PM
I honestly think what he did still genuinely bothers many people, and the fact many feel the punishment does not fit the crime.
Yet they don't boo others who have commited cheap shots. It's only Bert because Bert's cheap shot got so massively overexposed. Keep in mind it does not take a majority of a crowd to create that atmosphere, 30% would be enough, as long as the rest are not too boisterous the other way.
Very true. I do believe alot of people feel it is not right that he has not even had to go to civil court yet and the first attempt at one was thrown out,
With all due respect to all the knowledgable fans that attend games, I'd be willing to bet that over half the people who boo Bert at games aren't even aware of that.
Iced Tea
12-15-05, 11:36 PM
This is to no one in particular, really for future reference.
Let's keep this thread from reliving the Bertuzzi argument. You can mention that people are unhappy with the Bertuzzi situation but let's stay away from discussing whether or not Bertuzzi got what he deserved. I don't want to have to close this thread because it has turned into another screaming match about Bertuzzi and Moore.
wildboy26
12-15-05, 11:40 PM
Yet they don't boo others who have commited cheap shots. It's only Bert because Bert's cheap shot got so massively overexposed.
That is true, but also because the end result was so enormous, alot of which was just very bad luck for both parties.
With all due respect to all the knowledgable fans that attend games, I'd be willing to bet that over half the people who boo Bert at games aren't even aware of that.
Perhaps you are right. I am probably overcrediting some fans who go to the games on how much they would keep up on that type of news.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
12-15-05, 11:43 PM
IT, do you really think that Philly fans need a reason to boo a certain player, or throw things at him, or harass him while he is in the penaly box and fall in???
Iced Tea
12-16-05, 12:02 AM
IT, do you really think that Philly fans need a reason to boo a certain player, or throw things at him, or harass him while he is in the penaly box and fall in???He was the only one booed from what I saw. Why not boo the Canucks' offensive leaders, Naslund and the Sedins, or the pains in the butt, Cooke and Ruutu?
MadDevil
12-16-05, 12:08 AM
The question I have is who cares? Players are booed all over the place for no particular reason other than a group of the fans decide to. Devils fans yell "Rangers Suck!" just about every game, even if they're not playing the Rangers. It doesn't shock me that people still boo Bertuzzi, what he did crossed that thin line of what's a hockey play, and what's a cheapshot, and the fans won't let him forget for awhile.
Besides, it's Philadelphia fans we're talking about. No disrespect intended to the Flyers fans here, but Philly fans are known for being loud and obnoxious. They don't need a reason to boo a player, they just do it.:D
There is no need to change posts that don't contravene the coc, I don't see any screaming match?
(Fixed. There is no need to make inflammatory comments in a thread I already said will not deteriorate into a Bertuzzi/Moore screaming match. Iced Tea)
Besides, Relax, it was a joke.
Iced Tea
12-16-05, 12:17 AM
It just seems like Bertuzzi is booed at every away game he's in. I just wondered why non rival teams' fans boo him and only him. I thank you for your comments. :)
charlio lemieux
12-16-05, 12:18 AM
Because he broke Steve Moore's neck, didn't you hear?
Broke someone's neck? Where the hell was I? I never heard this! I've been booing him because he looks funny.:D
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
12-16-05, 12:20 AM
Besides, it's Philadelphia fans we're talking about. No disrespect intended to the Flyers fans here, but Philly fans are known for being loud and obnoxious. They don't need a reason to boo a player,they just do it.:D
That's is exactly what I was saying. We don't care we just don't like you if you are wearing the colors for another team. Just ask Destiny's Child from the 2001 NBA Finals what it's like to wear another team's colors in Philadelphia.:laughing:
wildboy26
12-16-05, 12:21 AM
He was the only one booed from what I saw. Why not boo the Canucks' offensive leaders, Naslund and the Sedins, or the pains in the butt, Cooke and Ruutu?
I want to clear up I was no not trying to turn this into a Moore-Bertuzzi debate with my initial statement. I was just trying to suggest that maybe a large enough proportion of fans, enough of the attended crowd to establish the general atmosphere, are either not yet willing to forget or forgive what Bertuzzi did, or do not feel he was sufficiently punished. I was not meaning to imply that as my opinion(although it might be that, but is aside the point), or start any debate on the issue, just trying to rational why he could be facing this in places other than the obvious ones.
wildboy26
12-16-05, 12:26 AM
I would also add Bertuzzi often was not popular outside Vancouver, with people in crowds in other arenas that is, even before the incident. I recall him being mocked and taunted on the bench more than Naslund or Morrison for example, even before the incident. I think it is because he played a style that was a bit over the edge to begin with , obviously it would be unfair to call him a goon since he was one of the elite players in the game, and highly skilled, but he also had a more borderline way about him too, and dealt more "cheap" shots or "dirty" plays than some others to begin with, but that is part of the way he played, and it was his makeup.
I do believe he was popular with hockey fans, atleast in Canada, just not as popular with crowds who attended games, especially in the U.S.
TimmyTabasco
12-16-05, 12:52 AM
The Oilers faithful were the first to "boo" bertuzzi. Since then all the other fans have jumped on the wagon
Most of them probably don't even know who Bertuzzi is. They just think its fun to boo a player
Well hey, no worries. Bertuzzi seems to be getting better due to the booing. So, thanks! :thumb:
Canadian26
12-16-05, 2:48 AM
I dont even think it has anything to do with the incident. I think Bert gets booed because of the type of player he is. He is very hard to contain when hes on his game, every time hes on the ice theres a scoring chance. So fans will boo because they dont like that. I happens with alot of players, even pronger gets booed when he plays the puck.
When you have a player that is such a dominate force on the ice, you see that happening. Hes the type of player that you would love to have on your team, but hate him when hes on any other team.
Iced Tea
12-16-05, 3:30 AM
When you have a player that is such a dominate force on the ice, you see that happening. Hes the type of player that you would love to have on your team, but hate him when he's on any other team.So what you're saying is my nightly praying for Forsberg to die is the same thing every other NHL fan does?
Same with my voodoo doll of Forsberg, my altar to the Dark Lord, my hiding under the couch during the game and screaming when Forsberg touches the puck, my use of black magic, my attempts to hire a hitman, my sneaking into the stick factory and tampering with Forsberg's sticks, my sacrificing a chicken, my hooking jumper cable to my ears and zapping myself when Forsberg scores on the Canucks, and my crying therapy when the Canucks lose? Everyone does it? That's a relief, I though I was strange. :D
Bertuzzi is definitely jeered because of the Moore thing. There's no need to search for deeper reasons... his name is still mud right now.
This is the first and only time this season that these east coast crowds will get a chance to show him what they think. Also the MSG crowd was very cognizant of the Moore / Bertuzzi matchup Tuesday so that added fuel to the fire.
But it will fade away. Especially if Bert gets traded, which I think he will eventually.
Booing is over-rated anyway... it's not so bad.
Pittsburgh boos Jagr every time he touches the puck... and all he did was help bring 2 Stanley Cups there..... oh... and he won the Hart trophy and five Art Ross trophies... the bastard! :conspire:
butterfly_style
12-16-05, 9:35 AM
That's a relief, I though I was strange. :D
Umm . . .dude . . .you are !!
But, you know, in a loveable sort of way.
Man.Utd
12-16-05, 10:15 AM
You would have expected more from a guy who is not only one of the game's premier players, but can also certainly hold his own in a fight.
Having said that, I agree it's silly that he's still booed every night. It's time to let go and move on.
(Edited by Iced Tea)
Pittsburgh boos Jagr every time he touches the puck... and all he did was help bring 2 Stanley Cups there..... oh... and he won the Hart trophy and five Art Ross trophies... the bastard! :conspire:
He also flaked out big time and quit on the team. Don't be surprised if he does the same in NYR and gets the same treatment.
Fixed.
(Fixed again. I thought I already mentioned that I wouldn't allow inflammatory comments which will lead to the close of this thread. Iced Tea)
The question was why is Bertuzzi getting booed around the league, and I believe we all know the answer.
I'll keep the discussion open for now, but if this degrades into a full blown argument of the Moore/Bertuzzi nightmare... we'll close it.
I think we've all been there done that, and it never ends well.
All right? thank you.
THE HACK
12-16-05, 1:13 PM
I dont even think it has anything to do with the incident. I think Bert gets booed because of the type of player he is. He is very hard to contain when hes on his game, every time hes on the ice theres a scoring chance. So fans will boo because they dont like that. I happens with alot of players, even pronger gets booed when he plays the puck.
When you have a player that is such a dominate force on the ice, you see that happening. Hes the type of player that you would love to have on your team, but hate him when hes on any other team.
I pretty much agree with everything you're saying but the Bert/Moore incident gives the fans a legitimate reason to boo him and lay this guilt trip on him in hopes of throwing Bertuzzi off his game and getting him to take bad penalties.Bertuzzi is also bad to the media(and should be because the media sucks)so most media people take shots at Bertuzzi relentlessly and fans being the sheep that they are follow suit.Fans get so hyped up over this crap that they can't wait to go to the game and boo Bertuzzi.And when these fanatics start booing Bertuzzi then others at the game follow suit and with alcohol mixed into the factor it becomes an all out boo-fest and the fans begin buzzing,in more ways then one!
Cheers
Newfie John
12-16-05, 1:19 PM
I'm a leaf fan. I'd boo him simply because of what he did. If a murder happened in my town I wouldn't ignore it because it doesn't effect me directly. Same logic applies here. I have no real link to the Canucks, but I'd boo Tuzzi just because of what he did.
KB in Kelowna
12-16-05, 1:24 PM
In Philly they boo anybody, even hometown players, ask Mike Schmidt.
However does Willie Mitchell get as rough a ride, did Gary Suter? or Dale Hunter? Not whining as a Canuck fan. It just seems that given the media attention of the incident they boo a little more loudly for ( or against) Todd this year.
Max Power
12-16-05, 1:30 PM
I think it?s stupid but fans are fickle and flaky. What Bert did has been done by many players e.g. Domi or Hatcher. But unfortunately and unluckily the injury to Moore was very serious. It?s very childish and hypocritical when fans boo one player for an incident while the team they support has players who have done the exact same thing. True lack of logic.
Newfie John
12-16-05, 1:33 PM
I think it?s stupid but fans are fickle and flaky. What Bert did has been done by many players e.g. Domi or Hatcher. But unfortunately and unluckily the injury to Moore was very serious. It?s very childish and hypocritical when fans boo one player for an incident while the team they support has players who have done the exact same thing. True lack of logic.
That may or may not have been slightly aimed at me..
But I hate Domi for what he did. On the ice, he has no class whatsoever.
Max Power
12-16-05, 2:15 PM
That may or may not have been slightly aimed at me..
But I hate Domi for what he did. On the ice, he has no class whatsoever.
I'd never fart and not take the blame for it NJ =]
Not just you bud... I just never understood how fans can involve themselves so much to hate with a passion. Booing is part of the game and every fans right but in this case I find it ridicules
Newfie John
12-16-05, 2:45 PM
I'm proud of my farts. Better out then in.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
12-16-05, 4:14 PM
Don't worry IT, Philadelphia seems to have been booing everyone last night. There was a goodbye celebration for Howard Stern with a bunch of comics that are on his show and it was hosted by one of the "Stern Boys". But the show was pretty much cut i half because a lot of the comics got booed offstage. Philly fans just have a screw loose, everyone should know that by know.
They booed Santa Claus during an Eagles game. :laughing:
They booed Santa Claus during an Eagles game. :laughing:
Excellent.
Santa sucks.
The Oilers faithful were the first to "boo" bertuzzi. Since then all the other fans have jumped on the wagon:nod:
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swflyers25
12-16-05, 9:06 PM
They booed Santa Claus during an Eagles game.
Santa was drunk and he scared a little kid. That's why people booed the idiot.
People booed Bertuzzi because he did a crappy thing. Flyer and Philly fans are all for fighting, being the home of the "Bullies." However, what Bertuzzi did, is way opposite of what our guys did. You fought face to face, not when a guy wasn't looking. That's why we boo him.
slapshot™
12-16-05, 9:20 PM
You've got to keep in mind that most of the fans who attend sporting events such as hockey games aren't necessarily the most knowlegeable sports fans, just the richest socialites in the city.
Not in the Heartland of Hockey. The MAJORITY of season ticket holders are average joes who shell out hard earned bucks to watch their team play (not suits scoring free company tix). It is commonly known that those same fans are some of the most knowlegable in the league.
IMO, most of the fans who boo Bert are going along with it becasue it's the cool thing to do.
I would boo him simply because 1.) the crime didn't fit the punishment (even though that was a League decision, not his) 2.) to get him off his game
No different than when Comrie comes to Edmonton.
Canucklehead
12-16-05, 10:52 PM
Not in the Heartland of Hockey. The MAJORITY of season ticket holders are average joes who shell out hard earned bucks to watch their team play (not suits scoring free company tix). It is commonly known that those same fans are some of the most knowlegable in the league.
Well, if that is true than kudos to the Edmonton fans.
I would boo him simply because 1.) the crime didn't fit the punishment (even though that was a League decision, not his) 2.) to get him off his game
No different than when Comrie comes to Edmonton.
Alright, but does you?re consideration as to why you boo him really reflect those of the people who do it all around the league? Surely, if these knowledgeable fans felt such outrage for cheap shots they would also boo Brad May, Tie Domi, Todd Fedourk, Owen Nolan, you get the idea.
Canadian26
12-17-05, 1:36 AM
Alright, but does you?re consideration as to why you boo him really reflect those of the people who do it all around the league? Surely, if these knowledgeable fans felt such outrage for cheap shots they would also boo Brad May, Tie Domi, Todd Fedourk, Owen Nolan, you get the idea.
I think thats where the media bais comes in. Bert has such a big name for himself, his incident had alot of media hype compared to the others. Ppl just hear about this incident more... I bet many ppl who are at the game dont even know WHY ppl are booing bert, and just do so because everyone else is doing it (you know crowds are very influental). It might not be the knowledgeable fans that start booing the player, it may be those extreme fans that just want to get players of their game, and thus everyone else just joins in because of the atmosphere. I bet we could randomly ask a bunch of ppl after hockey games (depending on the city of course) and maybe 1 in 10 will know the reason for booing during the game.
Santa was corrupt and he spoiled the little kids. That's why people booed the idiot.
People booed Bertuzzi because Moore did a crappy thing. However, what Bertuzzi did, is way opposite of what Moore did. You hit a player, you hit him clean, you don't launch yourself at his head when he's down and in a vulnerable position. That's why we hate him.
Fixed.
swflyers25
12-17-05, 1:24 PM
Santa was corrupt and he spoiled the little kids. That's why people booed the idiot.
People booed Bertuzzi because Moore did a crappy thing. However, what Bertuzzi did, is way opposite of what Moore did. You hit a player, you hit him clean, you don't launch yourself at his head when he's down and in a vulnerable position. That's why we hate him.
Please excuse Yoata's weirdness here, he lost his head a little longer than usual today. Or he went off his meds. :laughing:
Newfie John
12-17-05, 1:37 PM
Fixed.
Clean hit by Moore. Dirty play for the ages by Bertuzzi. Case closed.
swflyers25
12-17-05, 2:27 PM
Clean hit by Moore. Dirty play for the ages by Bertuzzi. Case closed.
Oh my god, has hell froze over? Me and NJ agree on something.
:laughing:
;)
slapshot™
12-17-05, 3:56 PM
Alright, but does you?re consideration as to why you boo him really reflect those of the people who do it all around the league? Surely, if these knowledgeable fans felt such outrage for cheap shots they would also boo Brad May, Tie Domi, Todd Fedourk, Owen Nolan, you get the idea.
I'm sure there is a degree of crowd mentality and people just join in with the chorus of boos because everyone else is doing it.
On the flip-side of the coin crowds cheer for an opposing player eg: Gretz or Mess whenever they made a return to the barn in Edmonton. They could do no wrong - even when playing for the other team.
Unfortunately for Bert...(in many fans eyes) he can do no right.
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