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swflyers25
11-28-05, 1:35 PM
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Q and A with R.J. Umberger
By Russ Cohen | NHL.com correspondent
Nov. 28, 2005

R.J. Umberger is a 23-year-old forward with an interesting entry into the world of professional hockey

A power forward, Umberger was a standout at Ohio State University, a member of Team USA at the 2001 World Junior Championships, and was drafted 16th overall by the Vancouver Canucks in the 2001 Entry Draft.

Umberger and the Canucks never could agree on a contract. After a short stint with the New York Rangers, he found a home in Philadelphia where he set the rookie points record (65) for the AHL's Philadelphia Phantoms during their 2005 Calder Cup Championship season.

NHL.com caught up with this budding Flyers star to talk about his hockey career and a whole lot more.

NHL.com: What's the difference in your game from when you played in college to now?

RJ: The biggest thing is being more consistent playing with a little edge out there, being intense, using my size, protecting the puck and taking it to the net.

NHL.com: Seeing how far you have come was the holdout worthwhile up to this point?

RJ: It was a long process; it wasn't a fun process. I stuck by my beliefs. I knew in the long run that it would work out and I would be OK.

NHL.com: In Vancouver and New York why do you think it didn't work out?

RJ: Vancouver didn't work out because different things were wanted by both sides. I think by the time it got down to New York I was real close to becoming a free agent. They wanted me to play on a trial contract and the risk was more than worth it because I was going to be a free agent and to get hurt or something, after sitting out all year, just wouldn't have been worth it.

NHL.com: Why do you think the Flyers stepped up to get you?

RJ: There were a lot of teams that stepped up. I think we knew that the whole time. That's why we did it. They showed confidence in me and knew my background and the type of person I am. --They showed faith in me.

NHL.com: Looking back at the lockout did that really help you? You played in the AHL, won a championship there, did that help your confidence?

RJ: Yeah absolutely. I needed that year no matter what. The lockout was great for me because all of the young skilled players were down in the American League. That American League was incredible and the team that we had that won the Calder Cup gave me the experience and added winning to my resume and that's hard to come by.

NHL.com: Is it comfortable to be on the same line as some of those guys in the NHL?

RJ: I played a lot with those guys last year so we were familiar with each other. We're all pretty good friends and when you win a championship, that's a special bond that you never forget and something you always remember. It's something special so I think anytime you are playing with these young guys they compete hard and play for each other.

NHL.com: What's the difference between John Stevens as a coach and Ken Hitchcock?

RJ: I think they are both pretty similar. They are both very defensive style coaches. They want you to protect the puck and hold onto it. Really worrying about defense and turning the puck over. I think maybe John has to do a little more one-on-one teaching because you are still developing younger guys down there in the American League.

NHL.com: I have noticed with a little extra space on the ice you are really trying to power past defenseman on the right side and make a move around the defenseman to get to the net. Do you think it's a little easier to do that now as opposed to a couple years ago when there may have been more clutching and grabbing?

RJ: Yeah absolutely. If you get a step on these defenseman and you have speed, besides if somebody puts a stick on you it's probably a penalty, so there is an advantage to drive wide and take the puck to the net. And that's what they really want me to do here. Show tenacity going to the net. And that's what I have been working on and what I love to do and it has been working well.

NHL.com: What's your off-season training regimen like?

RJ: Pretty intense. I have a strength coach out of Minnesota. I'm either in contact with him everyday through e-mail or phone or I actually go into Minnesota in August and do stuff. He has me going six days a week, pretty intense, both cardio and lifting. I take that stuff seriously in the off-season.

NHL.com: What sports did you used to play when you were growing up?

RJ: Football and baseball a lot. Once I got to the point where I was in juniors I knew I was going to play hockey for the rest of my life, I had to give them up.

NHL.com: At any point when you were at Ohio State did you wonder why you weren't playing on the football team?

RJ: No I wanted to play hockey. I think every time it was springtime I wanted to play baseball. I really itched for baseball, but I made a decision and I love hockey more than anything.

NHL.com: What position did you play in baseball?

RJ: I was a shortstop.

NHL.com: What's your favorite song that you like to hear in pre-game warm-ups?

RJ: I'm really pretty easy going about what I listen to. If there is one thing that I am going to listen to it's a lot of Eminem. It's something that gets me fired up.

NHL.com: Are you still superstitious and do you still have to eat your mother's spaghetti sauce before a game.

RJ: Oh yes.

NHL.com: Do you still have a supply?

RJ: Right now it's running low actually I need to get some more of that. I have to get her out to see a game and make some. I'm pretty superstitious with my equipment and how I put it on. And my pre-game routine.

NHL.com: How long does it take?

RJ: It's a two-hour process.

NHL.com: Did you think you would get called up this early?

RJ: I was hoping to make the team out of training camp and I was aware of the forwards we have. The injuries are part of the game. I have to take advantage of it. Hopefully I will be up here for the long haul.

NHL.com: What is your long-term goal for your NHL career?

RJ: I want to be a dominant player in this league. I wanna be a 10-plus year player. I want to be a force out there, a power forward. That's my goal.

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Iced Tea
11-28-05, 6:34 PM
RJ: Vancouver didn't work out because different things were wanted by both sides.Umberger wanted the big money first and then he'd try to prove he was good. The Canucks offered a low salary and performance bonuses.

At the time, the Canucks didn't have the budget to be stupid with unproven talent. Frankly it was a smart move by the Canucks to trade away his rights rather than be saddled with another headache player.

swflyers25
11-29-05, 2:09 PM
No headache for us, just a hard working player. I like him.

Yoata
11-29-05, 3:36 PM
Teabag knows.

This goof's a legend in his own mind, he's never been a dominant player at any level, even as a senior in College and a 23 year old in the minors, but somehow he's going to be one in the NHL? :rolleyes:

swflyers25
11-29-05, 11:24 PM
1999-00 US Jr. National Team USHL 57 33 35 68
2000-01 Ohio State University NCAA 32 14 23 37
2001-02 Ohio State University NCAA 37 18 21 39
2002-03 Ohio State University NCAA 43 26 27 53
2004-05 Philadelphia Phantoms AHL 80 21 44 65
2005-06 Philadelphia Phantoms* AHL 8 3 7 10
2005-06 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 13 3 4 7

Over his three seasons with Ohio State, Umberger recorded 58 goals and 71 assists for 129 points and 65 penalty minutes in 112 games…Following the 2002-03 season, the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania native was named to the NCCA West Second All-American Team and to the Central Collegiate Hockey Association (CCHA) First All-Star Team and was a finalist for the Hobey Baker Memorial Award, which is given to the top player in Division I collegiate hockey in the United States…Led Ohio State in assists and points in each of his three seasons with the Buckeyes and led them in goals in his final two seasons.

http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/team/roster/RosterDetail.asp?PlayerID=128

2004-05: Named the Phantoms’ Rookie of the Year after leading the club in points (65) and assists (44). … Ranked first among AHL rookies in assists, third in points and plus/minus (+19) and fifth in goals (21). … Set Phantoms rookie records for goals and points. … One of two Phantoms to appear in all 80 games. … Named the Toyota Phantoms Player of the Month for February. … Named the AHL Rookie of the Month for November.


(http://www.phantomshockey.com/lockerroom/RosterDetail.asp?PlayerID=229)

Sure he is, a legend in his own mind. Those stats and everything else definitely says that. :nod:

Him being a finalist for the Hobey is him being a legend in his own mind.

Yoata
11-30-05, 12:00 AM
From by far his best season in College (his senior year):

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/leaders/ncaa19502003.html

From his year in the AHL (as a 23 year old):

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/leaders/ahl19412005.html

Again, there's nothing "dominant" about his stats once put into context, even as a mature player in those leagues he wasn't "dominant".

Hobey Baker "finalist" as a senior? (how many finalists are there I wonder)

Here's a list of Hobey Baker WINNERS for you:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/awards/awarddetail.php3?award_id=126

Only dominant player in the bunch is Paul Kariya and he won it as an 18 year old freshman:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/leaders/ncaa19501993.html

That's what dominance looks like, dominance is not being an NCAA West 2nd All-star team as a senior.

But you go ahead and enjoy him, just don't be surprised when he doesn't turn out to be dominant or anything close to it, or if he suddenly starts blaming his role or his icetime or some other bs because he isn't living up to his own hype, or if he does happen to have a decent season expect him to sit out thinking he should be paid like a "dominant" player.

swflyers25
11-30-05, 1:54 PM
Thanks Yoata. Your comments mean absolutely nothing to me, always have and always will. You might as well not bother to post, because you have shown in the past how deluded your thinking is.

Thanks.

Yoata
11-30-05, 2:02 PM
Thanks Yoata. Your comments mean absolutely nothing to me, always have and always will. You might as well not bother to post, because you have shown in the past how deluded your thinking is.

Thanks.

That's interesting, I wonder why you put such effort into failing to refute them then. :rolleyes:

Unless you're Umberger you really should try not to take it so personally.

On your last comment, please don't tell me what to do or not do, this is a free and open forum remember? And secondly, if you're going to tell me I'm "deluded" I would hope that you would have some sort of justification for it other than your own defensiveness at being proved wrong, because otherwise you and Umberger are the only deluded ones on this subject.

KB in Kelowna
11-30-05, 5:16 PM
Please no personal attacks here. People are entitled to express thier opinions in a respectful manner, wether or not you agree with them.

swflyers25
11-30-05, 10:17 PM
That's interesting, I wonder why you put such effort into failing to refute them then. :rolleyes:

Unless you're Umberger you really should try not to take it so personally.

On your last comment, please don't tell me what to do or not do, this is a free and open forum remember? And secondly, if you're going to tell me I'm "deluded" I would hope that you would have some sort of justification for it other than your own defensiveness at being proved wrong, because otherwise you and Umberger are the only deluded ones on this subject.

I don't need to refute them any further. The stats and accomplishments do that for me. Good day.

Yoata
11-30-05, 10:58 PM
I don't need to refute them any further. The stats and accomplishments do that for me. Good day.

I think maybe you need to reread my post and check the links this time, still see nothing dominant about Hohumberger's career.

swflyers25
11-30-05, 11:37 PM
I think maybe you need to reread my post and check the links this time, still see nothing dominant about Hohumberger's career.

1999-00 US Jr. National Team USHL 57 33 35 68
2000-01 Ohio State University NCAA 32 14 23 37
2001-02 Ohio State University NCAA 37 18 21 39
2002-03 Ohio State University NCAA 43 26 27 53
2004-05 Philadelphia Phantoms AHL 80 21 44 65

37 pts in 32 games
39 points in 37 games
53 points in 43 games
65 points in 80 games

Won the scoring title for the Phantoms

You are just using your hatred to cloud your view of what is right in front of you. Oh well.

Yoata
11-30-05, 11:54 PM
1999-00 US Jr. National Team USHL 57 33 35 68
2000-01 Ohio State University NCAA 32 14 23 37
2001-02 Ohio State University NCAA 37 18 21 39
2002-03 Ohio State University NCAA 43 26 27 53
2004-05 Philadelphia Phantoms AHL 80 21 44 65

37 pts in 32 games
39 points in 37 games
53 points in 43 games
65 points in 80 games

Won the scoring title for the Phantoms

You are just using your hatred to cloud your view of what is right in front of you. Oh well.

Hatred? :laughing:

I don't care enough about Hohumberger to hate him, and still you've shown me absolutely nothing that displays that he dominated anything, as I showed you, put into the context of comparison with the real dominant players of those leagues he doesn't even show up on the lists.

65 points in 80 games is "dominant"? :laughing:

swflyers25
12-01-05, 1:55 PM
I keep forget that you have no real reasoning skills. Darn it. Moving on.

Yoata
12-01-05, 2:01 PM
I keep forget that you have no real reasoning skills. Darn it. Moving on.

Now now, no need for personal insults, tsk tsk.

TimmyTabasco
12-01-05, 2:22 PM
Umberger wanted the big money first and then he'd try to prove he was good. The Canucks offered a low salary and performance bonuses.

At the time, the Canucks didn't have the budget to be stupid with unproven talent. Frankly it was a smart move by the Canucks to trade away his rights rather than be saddled with another headache player.

Well said teabag

If he was holding out at his age..before he even played..then most likely he would again..down the road