Trade Mccabe?

[Newfie John]

I hate the thought of this because I love the guy but JFJ has to consider it. Man I hate thinking about this..

Anyway, Mccabe is currently leading the league in points by defencemen. He has won both the offensive and defensive players of the week so far this season. He's been amazing in the offensive aspect and good in the defensive zone aswell. If he keeps playing this way, without doubt he'll be a candidate for the Norris trophy.

Mccabe can become a free agent this year, WHICH SUCKS. We should have locked him up longterm last offseason.. oh well. Anyway, this offseason he could ask for Gonchar type of money(5 million), and if he wins the Norris that brings him up to 6 million at least.

The leaf's cap situation isn't desirable to say the least. Right now he's a bargain at 3.5 million. At the trade deadline, should we trade this guy to get a younger good defencemen and some picks possibly? What kind of trade could we get? His salary would be mostly paid so he could fit under virtually anyone's salary cap.

If we keep him, we're going to have to pay all this money. Which would mean someone would have to ship out.

Is this where the Allison trade comes in, for picks primarily? Or do we think bigger. Do we trade Mats Sundin? He's getting older, his value is still VERY high and I think we could get a young roster player, a top prospect and a first rounder for Sundin. Along with that, we'd clear 6 million off the books to help resign Sundin and then another 3 million(could be more, depending on other personnel) to get some type of replacement for him.

I know we're winning and we don't want to think about this, but we're going to have to face it sometime. What are we going to do?

[Madferret]

John one thing you have to remember is that the players you mention stand to suck alot of Cap space whereever they go, Sundin's 6M + contract is allot to take on for any team.
McCabe as you say stands to make big $$$ this offseason and he's held out on the Leafs how many times already? Is that someone you trade for, and if it is do you give up allot for a guy who will probably just end up going to the highest bidder? Think about it.

[Man.Utd]

McCabe would have to be signed and traded ala Hossa for anything close to a respectable return given the whole league knows his contract situation, not just Toronto. It was just Ottawa's luck that Heatley was available due to the circumstances surrounding him in Atlanta. It worked out good for both teams in the sense that they both got much more than they should have on the open market; Hossa because of the $$$ and Heatley because of the whole Snyder incedent and doubts about whether he could return to form.

Sundin has a no trade clause (IIRC), a big contract, and despite still being a bonafide #1 center is going to start to decline soon if not already. He doesn't hold much more value than Fedorov did and look what he fecthed. Toronto could likely expect a similar package for Sundin, only with a few other things thrown in aswell. I'm not sure it'd be even worthwhile - not to mention pretty classless to trade a man who should retire a Leaf - for Toronto to explore their options with the Big Swede.

Again to that no trade clause, the only teams that could give up some young prospects and high picks for him (and none would) would be basement dwellers. I doubt Sundin would wave it to go there.

[KB in Kelowna]

There a lot of quality Dmen who are Free Agents next season. There is an article somewhere that mentions all of them, but Rob Blake, Ed Jovanoski, Zdeno Chara and Bryan McCabe are some of the big names. I have been advocating that the Nucks move Jovo while they can in that if you don't watch him play you think he is good, hence he has strong trade value and he will probably want $5 million a season. Too rich for my thinking. Throw McCabe in the mix at those or better numbers and they could price themselves out of the market.

[Newfie John]

Guys, at the trade deadline "rent a player" acquisitions happen all the time. Virtually every team can afford Mccabe at the deadline. In the past the Sharks got a young player, a top prospect and a pick for Nolan. Same happened with Leetch. Same happened with Bourque(though Bourque stayed in Colarado). Same happened with many others.

It's also possible that the leafs could allow some teams to have contract extension negotiations while the trade is being ironed out.

[Amoroq]

The Leafs have a ton of cap space next year to play with, I wouldn't trade him.

[bluemeanie]

Befour's money will be gone next year and probably Allison's as well. Let's see what JFJ has up his sleeve - and what he get's Sundin and McCabe to agree to. I'm not the biggest McCabe fan, but I have to admit that his play so far this season has impressed me, and if this McCabe is here to stay... then stay here he should. I think, that was Yoda who said that. I'd like to get at least a few years out of having a Top d-man in TO.

[charlio lemieux]

Befour's money will be gone next year and probably Allison's as well. Let's see what JFJ has up his sleeve - and what he get's Sundin and McCabe to agree to. I'm not the biggest McCabe fan, but I have to admit that his play so far this season has impressed me, and if this McCabe is here to stay... then stay here he should. I think, that was Yoda who said that. I'd like to get at least a few years out of having a Top d-man in TO.

These are the guys we should be talking about trading. Right now Allison is healthy and on a point a game pace, and will never demand more in return than right now.

Belfour's been getting better, but I've only seen thr real "Eddie" for about..um..well one period I can remember. And that was after he let in some real stinkers, and coughed it up beside the net. But after that he hung a "NO ENTRY" sign on the goal, and looked about ten years younger to be honest. But as soon as his game comes back he should be dealt to a contender.

Which brings me to the biggest obstacle to any trade. As long as the Leafs are contending for a playoff spot, and a shot at the cup, these guys will never be traded.

I would send Eddie to Vancouver, except for the cap:curse: , and Allison to either Calgary or Edmonton, but thats just because I want to see Canadian teams do good.:thumb:

[Max Power]

Yah I can't see McCabe going anywhere as a rent a player since the leafs are going to be contenders this year and McCabe is a factor in that. there would be an uproar
Like man u said the only way I see him traded is a la Hossa

[Mel]

Look at all McCabe brings to the table, and consider the fact that he is very much still in his prime. (30)

For one thing, no team is going to shell out anything of great value for a player who is not retainable, even as a playoff rental. As Man said, any sensible, fair trade involving McCabe would have to be orchestrated with his cooperation (ala Hossa).

Secondly, who's going to fill his shoes on Toronto's blue line? Don't underestimate his impact, and what losing him would mean to the team.

He makes what 3 and change now? So he'll be in a position to command 5-6 after this season? A few million dollar raise for a norris caliber d-man in his prime... Pay him and keep him.

[Madferret]

Befour's money will be gone next year and probably Allison's as well. Let's see what JFJ has up his sleeve - and what he get's Sundin and McCabe to agree to. I'm not the biggest McCabe fan, but I have to admit that his play so far this season has impressed me, and if this McCabe is here to stay... then stay here he should. I think, that was Yoda who said that. I'd like to get at least a few years out of having a Top d-man in TO.

I think Eddie has a player option to stay or leave in his contract Blue.
From what I can recall I don't think the Leafs are going to have much cap space next year, IIRC Kaberle is due to become a UFA also is he not?

[bluemeanie]

I think Eddie has a player option to stay or leave in his contract Blue.
From what I can recall I don't think the Leafs are going to have much cap space next year, IIRC Kaberle is due to become a UFA also is he not?

It's a club option for Belfour. Everyone on the team has their contract end this summer with the exception of Mats, O'Neill, Domi, Steen, Poni and Belak. (two of which I can see potentially being traded). That's just under $11 mill in dedicated salary. Finding a goalie and tying up one or both of Kaberle and McCabe will cost, but they definately will have room to play.

[Max Power]

It's a club option for Belfour. Everyone on the team has their contract end this summer with the exception of Mats, O'Neill, Domi, Steen, Poni and Belak. (two of which I can see potentially being traded). That's just under $11 mill in dedicated salary. Finding a goalie and tying up one or both of Kaberle and McCabe will cost, but they definately will have room to play.

If I were in Furgies shoes I?d make sure I had lots of cap space for when luango becomes a free agent. One bad season would be worth locking him up for long term. I?d say Ottawa should do the same but with all our free agents we want to hold on to it would be wishful thinking

[Iced Tea]

There is no way McCabe is worth $6 million in the new NHL, $4 million possibly $5 million tops but only if Mike Milbury goes nuts again and screws up his team's budget.

If McCabe wins the Norris and carries the Leafs deep into the playoffs, then he has a shot at big money. McCabe would have to bribe some voters to win the Norris and the Leafs would have to bribe other teams to make it to the conference finals this season so the chances of McCabe hitting the jackpot are slim.

[Newfie John]

There is no way McCabe is worth $6 million in the new NHL, $4 million possibly $5 million tops but only if Mike Milbury goes nuts again and screws up his team's budget.

If McCabe wins the Norris and carries the Leafs deep into the playoffs, then he has a shot at big money. McCabe would have to bribe some voters to win the Norris and the Leafs would have to bribe other teams to make it to the conference finals this season so the chances of McCabe hitting the jackpot are slim.

Nice trolling Mr. Mod.. excuse the backseat.:no:

Mccabe is playing like a Norris guy right now, why would he have to bribe anyone? To say that the leafs will have to bribe someone to make it to the conference finals is just ignorant aswell. I think I'll take a stroll to the Nuck forum and echo the things you just said..

no wait, that'd be childish.:coffee:

[charlio lemieux]

Because I didn't want to highjack the Ottawa thread, I moved this here.


Originally Posted by charlio lemieux
Actually if we don't sign McCabe(my fingers are crossed we don't) We have some good young D-men I would like to see get a chance, rather than bring in another high-price vet.

originally posted by WB26
I agree with you there. It would actually be nice if they could even re-sign McCabe at a reasonable price, then trade him away while his value is the highest after his career best(it will remain his career best IMO)year last year.

Yes, do what Ottawa did with Hossa. That is another alternative, but what if McCabe wants to test the waters so to speak?
Then, the Leafs get nothing, except cap space. Oh well perhaps extra cap room is what the Leafs need most. That way they can sign a real winger for Mats to play with.

[Newfie John]

Sign and trade deal involving Mccabe for a winger for Sundin. Then we have enough cap space to sign a few D-men(Kubina, Mckee), then leave everything the way it is. Try to keep some cap space in case Telly or Aubin go down the pipes, and you have a team with a shot to make the playoffs. Not to mention all the youngsters will be another year advanced.

Steen- Sundin- Winger
Tucker - Wellwood- Kilger
Poni - Stajan - Antropov
Domi - Ondrus - Pohl

Kubina - Kaberle
Mckee- Colaiocovo
Richardson - White
Harrison

Telly
Aubin

[THE HACK]

Apparently McCabe wants a no-trade clause and somewhere between 4-5 mil to stay with the Leafs,just a rumour but beleivable!

If this is true I think the Leafs should let him walk and go after someone like Jovo.I'm not a big fan of the no-trade clause.

Cheers

[Newfie John]

I'd give him a no trade for the first 2 years of the deal but no more.