View Full Version : Flyers accusing Crosby of diving
Not breaking news but this bugs me. I actually watched the Philly / Pit game preceding this one and Crosby was spitting out blood thanks to Hatcher's stick blade.
So Hitchcock and the Flyers decide to start a smear campaign against the kid for diving leading up to their next meeting a few days later. I don't know why but it really annoys me.
What's with Peter Forsberg leading the way. Peter's been alleged to be a diver himself I seem to remember. How soon they forget.
But what really gets my goat is that Ken Hitchcock started the whole thing. Maybe Ken should try and figure out how his team can kill a penalty, rather than running around smearing 18 year old kids. :no:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2232154
(Sid single handedly won that game when Hatcher sticked him... with no Lemieux and no Gonchar)
I saw the 2 plays in question and yes there was a spitting of blood, but also present on both plays was a throwing back of the head. A good acting job on both by Crosby. The played both on Coaches Corner if that means a hell of a lot. But I agree, Forsburg leading the charge is the pot calling the kettle black.
On the other hand, a coach should do whatever it takes to get an edge, and if that means whinning to the league then so be it. It's not the first time and it won't be the last time.
charlio lemieux
11-21-05, 5:55 PM
Crosby needs to tighten his helmut so his reations don't seem so dramatic. There was no way he dove on either of the Hatcher encounters. Although he did hold Derians stick the one time. I'm am surprised the Pens didn't send a tape of the free dental work Hatcher did for the kid.
The Pens are in serious need of a tough(er) guy. Ryan Malone for Laraque anyone?
Here's to Crosby's temper, may it catch Hatcher with his head down.
Max Power
11-21-05, 5:56 PM
For sure I remember Forsberg and few great dive performances...
Hitchcock is Quinn #2 so nothing he says can be taken too seriously? He likes to whine when things don?t go his way
Mel knows, that was Don Cheezy that started this bs, show me a guy that doesn't pull his head back when there's a stick shoved in it and I'll show you a guy that's either asleep or dead.
Incredible that anyone can blame the kid for Hatchet's stick being in his face. What a joke!
Max Power
11-21-05, 6:00 PM
The Pens are in serious need of a tough(er) guy. Ryan Malone for Laraque anyone?
Here's to Crosby's temper, may it catch Hatcher with his head down.
Isn't he playing on the top line with Lemieux right now? I picked him in one of my pools because he was supposed to be playing with Lemieux and he's promising but hasn't come through yet
charlio lemieux
11-21-05, 6:04 PM
Malone has been shuffled around. With a 20 + goal rookie season on a Lemieux-less team, he was very promising. But it appears none of the lines are written in stone, and he has been a casualty of the "big names" that where brought in.
Malone for Laraque? Sign me up!
Smyth - Torres - Malone - Moreau.. best LW in hockey.. and we LOSE Laraque? Wow!
As for the pulling the head back.. anyone here ever played without a visor? Just last week I took a stick in the face (just missed my eye), first thing you do is whip your head back, second is put your hand to it to make sure everythings okay. Anyone doing anything else is missing a few nerves.
Madferret
11-21-05, 6:25 PM
Hitchcock likes to target small players, then groan about it when they retaliate.
I remember him starting some nonsense smear campaign during an Ottawa/Philly playoff series only to say after the Flyers were eliminated that he 'made it up to try and get an edge'.
charlio lemieux
11-21-05, 6:39 PM
Malone for Laraque? Sign me up!
Smyth - Torres - Malone - Moreau.. best LW in hockey.. and we LOSE Laraque? Wow!
As for the pulling the head back.. anyone here ever played without a visor? Just last week I took a stick in the face (just missed my eye), first thing you do is whip your head back, second is put your hand to it to make sure everythings okay. Anyone doing anything else is missing a few nerves.
Totally lop-sided trade, but the Oilers need another second or third line player to go with the other 11 they have;) :razz2: , and the Pens need someone scary.
Laraque---Crosby ----Palffy
Ol' Georges doesn't even need a stick.
Whipping your head back is a natural reaction, but his loose helmut really makes it look like he is embelishing.
that was Don Cheezy that started this bs
IIRC didn't Don Cherry make some big deal over Crosby celebrating a goal too hard in a lopsided victory back in Juniors? Sorry Don, but we're not all born to act correctly in all situations from childhood. Tact and discretion are qualities developed through experience and maturity, not just in sports but in all of life. In other words, give the kid a break. Nobody acts the same as an adult the way they did as a teenager.
If he's still celebrating 5-on-3 goals in blowout games when he's a seasoned veteran, then we can talk.... he's obviously got a problem.
I don't get to see Cherry too often but when I do I find him entertaining. It just seems that he's got a bone to pick with Sidney Crosby for whatever reason.
RE: head snapping... I took one in the nose on a face off. Had I not snapped my head back in reflex, I probably would have had a splattered nose as opposed to just a cut.
IIRC didn't Don Cherry make some big deal over Crosby celebrating a goal too hard in a lopsided victory back in Juniors? Sorry Don, but we're not all born to act correctly in all situations from childhood. Tact and discretion are qualities developed through experience and maturity, not just in sports but in all of life. In other words, give the kid a break. Nobody acts the same as an adult the way they did as a teenager.
If he's still celebrating 5-on-3 goals in blowout games when he's a seasoned veteran, then we can talk.... he's obviously got a problem.
I don't get to see Cherry too often but when I do I find him entertaining. It just seems that he's got a bone to pick with Sidney Crosby for whatever reason.
RE: head snapping... I took one in the nose on a face off. Had I not snapped my head back in reflex, I probably would have had a splattered nose as opposed to just a cut.
Mel knows. except about Cheezy, I don't find him entertaining, only an embarrassment to hockey and Canadians in general.
Newfie John
11-21-05, 7:40 PM
If I'm getting highsticked, my head's gonna shoot back...
Flyers can talk about diving.. forsberg.
Iced Tea
11-21-05, 7:59 PM
I'm not saying Crosby did or didn't dive, this is just a general observation.
It's truly a shame that diving or allegations of diving ever have to talked about.
Back when I played hockey, diving involved a pool and no one would have pulled garbage like that to get a penalty.
It sickens me to think that this continues to be a means of getting an edge on the other team and who knows to what minor hockey level this has reached. Suspensions are needed to stamp out diving; make it hurt so that players smarten up and refs don't have to worry about making more stupid penalty calls.
Also, when real injuries or infractions occur, doesn't each of us think that maybe the player is faking?
As for taking a stick to the face, many have stated that the immediate reaction is to flip your head back. This is true these days but there was a time many years ago when players were walking around toothless because they would rather take a stick in the face then be a wuss. Times have changed, players want to look pretty for the camera.
Tact and discretion are qualities developed through experience and maturity, not just in sports but in all of life.
Except in the case of Don C. He exhibits neither of those qualities. lol
As for taking a stick to the face, many have stated that the immediate reaction is to flip your head back. This is true these days but there was a time many years ago when players were walking around toothless because they would rather take a stick in the face then be a wuss. Times have changed, players want to look pretty for the camera.
LOL :laughing:
Yeah I wanted to look pretty for the TV cameras while an 8-year-old peewee team skated circles around the New York buncha-drunken-losers.
:roll:
KB in Kelowna
11-22-05, 12:27 AM
Cherry criticized a 16 year old Crosby for hot dogging a goal in junior, noe if he had been wearing a Leaf or Bruin jersey or was from Kingston he would be full of praise.
Philadelphi the new home Floppa and Hatcher, nuff said.
swflyers25
11-22-05, 12:43 AM
On the two plays everyone made a big deal about, that was a high stick. Otherwise, the kid has been guilty of a few dives so far.
But what really gets my goat is that Ken Hitchcock started the whole thing.
No, he didn't. He said that people all around the league were diving. It wasn't just the Pitt game he was referring to. He didn't say anything about Crosby or the diving because he said he knew he would get fined. So he has said nothing.
There is an article on ESPN that talks about all the diving going on and Hitch is mentioned. However, it isn't about Crosby. It has happened in other games for us and for other teams as well.
On the other hand, a coach should do whatever it takes to get an edge, and if that means whinning to the league then so be it. It's not the first time and it won't be the last time.
We don't need to get an edge on a team like Pittsburgh. The reffing around the league has been very inconsistent. All anyone is asking is the refs to recognize that a lot of guys are doing this. They are also holding the opponent's stick to them and that player gets called for hooking.
Here's to Crosby's temper, may it catch Hatcher with his head down.
He can't do anything with his head up to Hatcher:
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20051120/capt.pagp10111200145.flyers_penguins_pagp101.jpg
Hitchcock is Quinn #2 so nothing he says can be taken too seriously? He likes to whine when things don?t go his way
He's a coach that doesn't win no matter what team he coaches? No, I don't think so. He won a Cup with Dallas and every year since he has been here the Flyers have advanced further each year.
Hitchcock likes to target small players, then groan about it when they retaliate.
He targets small players? Since when? Who has he targeted? Havlat? The rat deserves anything he gets. Very ironic coming from you, in the fight game between the Sens and Flyers, Brashear fights Rob Ray and then Chris Neil fights Radovan Somik of all people and doesn't stop punching while he is on the ice? :laughing:
Flyers can talk about diving.. forsberg.
I trust his judgement, no one knows better than him what dive is.;)
Philadelphi the new home Floppa and Hatcher, nuff said.
Offensive Leaders
POINTS
1. PETER FORSBERG 36
GOALS
1. SIMON GAGNE 20
ASSISTS
1. PETER FORSBERG 30
And he is settling right in at his new home.:nod:
Hatcher is a plus 6 in the new NHL, has 3 goals and 2 assists.
Not bad for someone who is supposed to suffer in the new NHL.
Iced Tea
11-22-05, 12:57 AM
Offensive Leaders
POINTS
1. PETER FORSBERG 36
GOALS
1. SIMON GAGNE 20
ASSISTS
1. PETER FORSBERG 30
And he is settling right in at his new home.:nod:
Hatcher is a plus 6 in the new NHL, has 3 goals and 2 assists.
Not bad for someone who is supposed to suffer in the new NHL.What does points totals have to do with this thread? The thread is about diving, which includes Forsberg being a gold medal winning diver and Hatcher's goonism on Crosby. Also being discussed is Hitchcock's unwillingness to look at his own team before calling out others for diving.
Max Power
11-22-05, 9:47 AM
Like Ice Tea said SWF no one is criticizing coaching or playing ability. You can be the best coach in the world but still have petty tactics.
bluemeanie
11-22-05, 10:08 AM
Like Ice Tea said SWF no one is criticizing coaching or playing ability. You can be the best coach in the world but still have petty tactics.
This is true, it's unfortunate that not every coach can be a Pat Quinn... god bless the man. :wicked:
Except in the case of Don C. He exhibits neither of those qualities. lolAnd its made him a wealthy man. :laughing: all the way to the bank Donald S Cherry is. :nod:
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