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Max Power
11-09-05, 10:27 AM
I usually post a Canadian war story each remembrance day. Last year was the Newfoundland regiment in WWI France, this year I figured I?d post a forgotten story of Canadian on the road to Rome in 1943 ? 44. I had a chance to watch a historical recap on the History channel last night and thought it was a good one to post. One of the biggest battles was in the city of Ortona. Compared by historians being a mini Stalingrad, the battle of Ortona left the city in ruins. I?ve included the story with what led up to it below.
http://www.junobeach.org/e/2/can-eve-rod-ita-e.htm

One interesting bit that was described in the documentary last night was the rivalry between American and Commonwealth Generals in Italy. Patton and General Montgomery both wanted their respective troops to enter Rome first. This rivalry actually caused the Allies to split and effectively weaken them. The Canadians arrived in Rome first after Ortona but the American General (don?t think it was Patton but can?t remember his name) threatened to shoot at the Canadian soldiers if they attempted to enter Rome. The Canadian cleared the road to Rome but were forced to sit outside as the American troops glorious entered Rome.
I?ve heard many stories of Canadian vets being bitter of the way history was written of WWII and I guess this is just one chapter of it

Note: I'm note sure where the British troops were at this time as the documentery only spoke of the Canadians.


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The Objectives

In the mind of Allied strategists and military leaders, the campaign of Italy was not the logical continuation of the invasion of Sicily. Actually, there was a major disagreement between US President Roosevelt, who opposed the idea of further military operations in the Mediterranean, and British Prime Minister Churchill, who was convinced of the need to keep on attacking the soft underbelly of the Nazi beast. It was only in May 1943, at the Trident Conference, that the two men did come to an agreement on limited military involvement in Italy. It was well understood, however, that the Italian campaign should in no way interfere with the preparation of what was to be the war's major operation, the massive invasion of Northwest Europe planned for the spring of 1944.


The detail of the Italian campaign were discussed and decided at the August 1943 Quebec Conference. Its initial goals were the capture of Naples and of the Foggia and Rome airfields. Actually the Allies' objective was not so much to conquer Italy as to force Germany to divert some of its forces to a southern front. By dividing Nazi forces between several separate fronts, the Allies would prevent Hitler from striking a deadly blow at the USSR or from concentrating an invincible army along the coast of Normandy.

The Allied landing started on the morning of September 3rd, 1943; on September 8th, the Italian government announced its surrender. This development had been foreseen by Berlin and the Fuehrer immediately ordered German troops to take control of the country. Hitler feared that the Allies may use Italian airfields as bases for bombing raids against Germany. As a result, he reinforced the Wehrmacht divisions already stationed in southern Italy with orders to defend Rome at all costs. A major struggle was in the making.


The Liberation of Southern Italy

The 1st Canadian Division landed near Reggio di Calabria on September 3rd, 1943, and met no opposition whatsoever. Italian garrisons deserted their positions and fled to the hills; the only German unit in the area, part of the 29th Panzer Grenadier Division had retreated in the mountains two days earlier. For a couple of days, Canadian soldiers slowly made their way through the rugged Aspromonte region, their progression often slowed down by the collapse of bridges the Germans had sabotaged as they withdrew.

On September 9th, an Anglo-American force under the Fifth US Army, landed in Salerno. It met strong resistance from the German division, which tried to drive it back before the Eighth Army could intervene. Violent fighting took place around Salerno until September 14th.


Further south, the 1st Canadian Division was moving at good speed along the coast towards the Gulf of Tarento; it then turned up north to make its junction with the Fifth Army. Under Lieutenant-Colonel M.P. Bogert of the West Nova Scotia Regiment, a special force was put together to capture Potenza. The operation was a real obstacle race among mines and blown up bridges, extremely demanding on the engineers. On September 20th, the "Boforce", as it had been nicknamed after its commanding officer, entered Potenza where enemy resistance collapsed immediately. On September 21st, the Fifth US army and the Eighth British Army formed an uninterrupted front line that reached all across the Italian peninsula, from Salerno in the west to Bari in the east.

In October, Canadian troops harassed the enemy throughout an area that stretched from north of Potenza to the Fortore and Biferno rivers, near the Adriatic Sea. Campobasso fell on October 14th. Enemy casualties were heavy and the Germans learned to respect the soldiers of the 1st Canadian Division.

Until then the progression of the Canadian army had been rather trouble-free; since September the German strategy was simply to delay that progression as much as possible. Their commanders had orders to retreat until they could take solid positions between the Bernhard Line that cut across the Italian Peninsula from Gaeta in the west to Ortona in the east. That line protected Rome and the Germans had clear orders: They shall not pass!

Towards Ortona

In mid-November, the Fifth Army and the Eighth Army got closer to the Bernhard Line. Under General Montgomery the British column moved on the right flank, along the Adriatic Sea with a view to reach Pescara before turning west along the Pescara-Rome road. Between November 28th and 30th, the Eighth Army took the ridge overlooking the Sangro River valley. The 1st Canadian Armoured Brigade supported the 8th Indian Division tasked with maintaining a steady base on the ridge. Two divisions were to move towards Pescara: the 2nd New Zealander Division along an inland route, and the 1st Canadian Division along the coast. The first obstacle was the Moro River, beyond which German troops were waiting.

The attack was launched on December 6th. The slopes were steep; heavy winter rains had swollen the river and turned the ground into thick mud that bogged down armoured vehicles. The enemy was well entrenched and each inch of ground had to be gained the hard way. Counter-attacks followed and the Canadians were forced to retreat. It took two days, December 8th and 9th, to capture San Leonardo. In spite of numerous obstacles, the Seaforth Highlanders, riding on the tanks of the Calgary Regiment, were able to get close to the village. On the narrow road, two tanks plunged down ten metres into the ravine after missing a sharp turn. Violent artillery and mortar fire hit the armoured column and the infantry as they were approaching the Moro River. On the other side, the lead tank struck a mine as it was climbing towards San Leonardo and was stalled, blocking the road and forcing the other vehicles to find their way through the olive groves. Only five tanks were left when the Canadians entered San Leonardo. The Seaforth Highlanders engaged the enemy and silenced their machine gun positions, killing or capturing many German soldiers. Twelve enemy tanks drove into town from the east but in spite of the difference in strength, the Calgarys held fast and destroyed or drove back the German tanks. On December 9th at 1740, the Canadians were solidly positioned in San Leonardo.

After San Leonardo, the Canadian Division faced what seemed to be a dead-end: a deep and narrow gully that tanks could not cross. In addition, the 90th Panzer Division was entrenched in it, with gunner foxholes dug into the steep slopes, out of the reach of shells. After several ill-fated attempts to cross the gully, the Canadians faced with heavy machine gun and mortar fire were forced to retreat.


In the morning of December 13th, the Royal 22e Regiment and the tanks of the Ontario Regiment launched an attack on the enemy's flank, towards the Casa Berardi. The resistance was formidable and the infantry found itself facing artillery fire; only 50 men survived. The sole remaining officer, Captain Paul Triquet told his men: "There are enemy in front of us, behind us and on our flanks. There is only one safe place-that is on the objective." Triquet captured Casa Berardi at the end of the afternoon but the situation was desperate: only 15 men were left of the Royal 22e and Squadron "C" of the Ontario Regiment was reduced to four tanks! Triquet told his troops "They shall not pass!". As the night fell, Company "B" of the Royal 22e provided some relief and the Canadians were able to hold the position. Paul Triquet was awarded the Victoria Cross.

This was the breach the Canadians needed to move on but several days of violent and costly fighting against enemy defence positions were to follow until, on December 19th, they took control of the strategic crossroad on the Ossogna to Ortona road. On December 20th, the troops reached Ortona; it took eight more days of desperate fighting before the city could be captured, as the Canadians moved in slowly, disputing every house and every street with an enemy determined to defend its positions.

Why would the Germans defend with inordinate fierceness - matched only by the determination of the Canadians - a small coastal town of little strategic value? Throughout the world, the showdown made the headlines?"
- The Capture of Ortona

The Capture of Ortona

Company "B" of the Seaforth Highlanders moving along a mined coastal path December 21st, 1943; Ortona can be seen in the distance.
Photo by Frederick G. Whitcombe. Department of National Defence / National Archives of Canada, PA-152749.

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Battle of Ortona

General Montgomery believed that the Germans would retreat north of Ortona, in an area where the terrain provided good natural defence positions; and that the coastal city would therefore be an easy prey. Things did not turn out that way? On December 20th, the 2nd Brigade arrived near Ortona; the following day the Loyal Edmonton Regiment got as far as Piazza Vittoria at the entrance of the town. In front of them, the corso Vittorio Emanuele leading to the Piazza Municipale, the heart of the city. Narrow side streets were blocked by barricades and rubble left by the Germans. The wide-open corso, the only street that tanks could use was booby-trapped. The Canadian infantry had to clear its way through houses on the side before moving forward, a dangerous and difficult task.

The Canadians were facing a unit from the 1st Parachute Division, well-rested, well-trained and well-equipped troops, and ideological fanatics. Fighting was fierce. The Germans had planted mines, time bombs, and other booby-traps throughout the abandoned houses and amid the rubble. Machine gun positions and antitank artillery were concealed behind walls and among the ruins. Canadian soldiers used their short-ranged 6-pounder guns to take down walls or roofs where paratroopers might be hiding. When shells could not pierce the thick stone walls, gunners aimed for the windows and the shells bouncing inside the houses caused terrible destruction.
Canadian infantrymen moved from house to house without ever showing up in the streets. Using pickaxes and explosives, they pierced the upstairs walls between buildings, dashing forward through smoke and dust, pouncing down on their opponents. Grenades thrown by the Germans would fall back on them before exploding. The tanks moved slowly along, providing ammunition and evacuating the wounded.

Why would the Germans defend with inordinate fierceness - matched only by the determination of the Canadians - a small coastal town of little strategic value? Throughout the world, the showdown made the headlines and Ortona became a household word: "This is Matthew Halton from the CBC, speaking from Italy? ". Canadian radio war correspondents made this bloody episode world-famous. Ortona became a symbol, as important as Rome. To capture the city or to keep it, it all became a matter of national prestige.

http://www.lermuseum.org/ler/cof/sacrifice/wwii/images/destroyedcity.jpg

Fighting raged for days. The Loyal Edmonton Regiment and the Seaforth Highlanders Regiment were relentless and suffered heavy casualties. At Christmas, against all expectation, the Seaforth Highlanders fusiliers were treated to a real holiday dinner in the Church of Santa Maria di Constandinopoli.
Meanwhile, shells and machine gun fire could be heard not far from the church. Through dust and the acrid smell of cordite, the Loyal Edmonton soldiers were involved in one of the fiercest battle so far. They were relieved in small

groups to go get some Christmas dinner. As to the Italians, for there were still civilians in town, mostly elderly people and children, the atmosphere was one of anxiety and fear.

On December 27th, the Princess Patricias were ordered to join in, together with a support squadron from the R?giment de Trois-Rivi?res. The battle for Ortona was already drawing to an end. German paratroopers could

not keep on fighting without relief and on December 28th, they abandoned the city to the Canadians. The victory was a costly one: the Loyal Edmonton Regiment had 172 casualties, including 63 killed; the Seaforth Highlanders 103, including 41 killed. Taking into account losses by support units, the total number of Allied casualties reached 650 officers and men of all ranks.

http://www.youthsource.ab.ca/hyl/images/ortona/ortona9.jpg


This image is actually from a video game but all are from the actual battle
http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10006/ortona02.jpg

Madferret
11-09-05, 10:47 AM
Great stuff Maxy.
I still think it's a disgrace that most stores and business's are open on Nov 11th. One day's reflection for everyone killed in duty is too much I guess.
My Gran's brother, a submarinist in the British Navy, was killed when he sub was sunk by a German U-Boat. Gives me goose bumps when I think of how dieing that way must have felt.

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Max Power
11-09-05, 11:11 AM
Great stuff Maxy.
I still think it's a disgrace that most stores and business's are open on Nov 11th. One day's reflection for everyone killed in duty is too much I guess.
My Gran's brother, a submarinist in the British Navy, was killed when he sub was sunk by a German U-Boat. Gives me goose bumps when I think of how dieing that way must have felt.

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Sinking to the bottom of the ocean in a sub to your death must be one of the worst and loneliest ways to die in a war. Very sad?
It?s a disgrace that the government won?t force a holiday to commemorate the hundreds of thousands of people who gave their lives for this country. What makes it even more of a disgrace is that government workers get it off but public sector does not. It just shows how much big business has influence on our government

a4l
11-09-05, 1:50 PM
I am shocked that Remberance day has turned into a nothing day. When I first moved over here we had the day off school and all businesses were closed until noon. We also had veterans visiting our schools with their stories and newsreels of various battles.
I will not get into the American behaviour during the war, as in the entrance to Rome. More than once they pulled the hero stunt. Let's just say it makes my blood boil.
I grew up in post war Britain and it was so far from the American experience that I laugh my head off at the stories of their homeland efforts.
I also laugh myself silly when the American's claim they won WWII.
Sorry to my American friends on here but your country wasn't bombed to bits and your citizens didn't have to live on starvation rations.

Every rememberance day I polish the plaque that my maternal Great grandmother a widow with 11 children to feed) received when her oldest son Herbert was killed at 21, during WWI. I also unfurl the old German flag that my paternal Grandad claimed during the same war. Then I polish his medals from both wars. Then last but not least I think of my father who, at the age of 15, lost his mom during WW II. Both his dad and older brother were "serving" (as were all of his male relatives who were of age) and couldn't help him with the funeral arrangemants or come home to look after him. Thank God he went to a Church (of England) School that took him in and helped him until he was old enough to graduate.

People wonder why I HATE war. LEST WE NOT FORGET means that war is Hell. It doesn't mean that we have to start further actions for the heck of it. People died and families suffered amazing hardships. I will refrain from getting into the politics of one country that hasn't had a war fought on their land since the civil war but I will say the population has no idea of what it is like. No idea of what it is like to be a child and grow up fearful that an invasion will happen at any time.

Rusty
11-09-05, 2:14 PM
This will be one of the most emotional Nov 11 ths I have been on in some time, seeing as it will be my last one in Uniform.

One of THE most emotional Rememberance days I ever had the pleasure of attending was at a War Cemetary in Northern Italy, we all formed up in the middle of the cemetary and paid our respects to those graves that surrounded us, it wasn't a real big cemetary but it was well kept and beautifully groomed.

At precisely 11 Am the bells in all the town churches started ringing and a flock of pigeons took off just outside the fence.

It will be a memory that I will hold until the day I die.

Max Power
11-09-05, 2:23 PM
I spent half my time when I was in France and Belgium visiting war memorials and in all honesty I can?t even describe the emotions and sense of realness when looking at the preserved remains of No Mans Land between trenches at a war memorial. One of the best preserved had to be Beaumont Hamel as everything was as it was 80 years ago. Vimy was also impressive but a large amount of money was put in to modernize it?s original trenches.

Rusty
11-09-05, 2:29 PM
Try going to a Concentration camp!

Every year we would load up the tanks and head to Bergen Hohne in Northern Germany for our gun camps, the town right nextdoor was a little hamlet named Bergen Belsen, anybody who knows their history will remember that this is the place where they first sent Anne Frank before they shipped her off to the grand daddy of them all Auschwitz.

It is truly an eye opening experience to walk by a mount of dirt and there is a plaque that states there are over 500 babies buried there.

Funny thing is as soon as you go through the gates all sounds stop, even though one of the biggest concentration of tanks is right nextdoor.

a4l
11-09-05, 2:49 PM
You had to mention concentration camps. Guesss what my father did when he was 20? His job was cleaning up one of the camps. He had nightmares for years after. We took a trip to the one where he worked and there is nothing like a first hand commentary of what it was like after the war. He told us about where the piles of clothing, shoes and hair were. It gave me a rude awakening but not as badly as what his dad could tell about the ways the navy corrected its personnel during WW I.

I feel sorry for all of the people who were in the services on both sides during those wars and during every war after that.

The only hope we have for humanity is that during WW I the troups took the day off at Christmas and actualy, in some cases sent greetings to the enemy. How civilised and how forgotten those moments are in this day and age.

Yoata
11-09-05, 3:43 PM
I?ve heard many stories of Canadian vets being bitter of the way history was written of WWII and I guess this is just one chapter of it


History books are one thing, but Canadians are revered and adored to this day in most of Europe for their selfless sacrifice for the sake of others in foreign lands.

They Americans might've (re)written the history books, but many of them also pretend to be Canadians when travelling in Europe, and that's more real than any book. :thumb:

Get your poppies and wear them proudly.

Max Power
11-09-05, 4:04 PM
The only hope we have for humanity is that during WW I the troups took the day off at Christmas and actualy, in some cases sent greetings to the enemy. How civilised and how forgotten those moments are in this day and age.

That reminds me of the story of Passchendaele Ypres one of the bloodiest battles in WWI and in History. At one point between the Germans and Canadians they all suddenly stopped fighting and allowed each other to go retrieve their injured and dead because the field was so littered. I believe that's where the Flanders field poem comes from and the Poppy?

When you watch or read many of these historical battles it's amazing at how incompetent some of the generals were. It really is sad that based on the fact that you had some royalty in you gave you the ability to command and send troops off to certain death.

Here's a snipit on it
"In the fall of 1917 the Great War was at a stalemate and Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig was convinced that the tiny Belgian town of Passchendaele was the key to victory on the Western Front. Growing desperate, Haig called on the Canadians to take over the offensive. Battling both the entrenched Germans and some of the worst conditions of war, the Canadians were able to break through and take Passchendaele, but at a massive cost. Over a quarter of a million Allied soldiers died fighting for Passchendaele, only to have it surrendered back to the Germans the following spring."

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Yoata
11-09-05, 4:11 PM
"Over a quarter of a million Allied soldiers died fighting for Passchendaele, only to have it surrendered back to the Germans the following spring."

That's one of those things that just makes you instantly sick to your stomache.

Max Power
11-09-05, 4:22 PM
"Over a quarter of a million Allied soldiers died fighting for Passchendaele, only to have it surrendered back to the Germans the following spring."

That's one of those things that just makes you instantly sick to your stomache.

Yup
All because one General thought it was an important battle to fight.
The battlefield was so bad when the Canadians got there that if you stepped off one of the planked paths during a line advancement you could sink to your waste. The troops were told to leave the soldier to die if they fell off because helping them would cut off troop flow on the narrow paths.

TimmyTabasco
11-09-05, 4:59 PM
My grandfather was an Irish man. He didn't have to join, since the Rep. of Ireland was neutral. However, he felt it was best..since he had children..and was raising them over in England.

He lasted a long time in the army. Then the British army sent all the Irish boys home, for the last time they would see Ireland..and their families. The army knew they would be killed in the next mission. The year was 1945

So, my grandad visited his family over in Ireland..and they begged him to not return. All the families of the soldiers did the same..But, my grandad said no..that he had to return and fight..since as I mentioned..he was raising his children in england.

Well, he did return to the war. Shortly after he was killed in germany. On the battlefield. Shot in the head. Got surgery, but there was no hope. Left 4 kids, at age 26. He is still buried there to this day

So to me I remember his courage, and pride..everyday of the year

leaferfan87
11-09-05, 5:17 PM
Here is an avatar that commemorates Remembrance Day if your interested. My great-grandfather served in the Irish Army in WWI. He took some shrapnel and my mother said that he walked with a limp for the rest of his life because of it.

My other grandfather also enlisted for Korea at the age of 15. Luckily they figured out how old he was when he got to Japan.

a4l
11-09-05, 7:19 PM
It is amazing to hear other stories of war and those who died for their countries or other countries to witch they were allied. I bet all of them would tell us that war is awful but their duty to their country was #1. I pay my respects for the ones who died for their beliefs but grieve more for the families that they left behind. Life was awful for the widows and children they left behind. Don't forget there was no or little social services for these people which is why my grandfather (maternal) was sent down the pits (worked in a coal mine) when he was 11 yr old. His dad was dead and so was his oldest brother. All the men in his family had to work to provide for the women folk.

Canadian26
11-11-05, 5:16 PM
It wasnt until recently, kids actually started getting the day of school. I member all through high school, we never had remembrance day off, we would have a big assembly for about an hr or and hr and half, our principle served in the army so remembrance day was a big deal for him.

a4l
11-11-05, 5:20 PM
Way back when the dinosaurs roamed the land in Ontario we go the day off school. For some odd reason they gave that up.

Amoroq
11-11-05, 6:05 PM
My Grandfather and his Son (My Dad) fought in the same mud. They were both enlisted men and fortunatly they both made it home. They are gone now but I remember one day there was a fireworks show near my Parents apartment and when they started my Dad covered his ears and bent over to cover himself. This was about 40 years after the war. I was shocked and up until that moment I had no idea what war could do to a man. They were both Legionaires and marched in the Remembrance Parade every year to honour their fallen Brothers In Arms. My Mother who was the President of the Ladies Auxillary at her branch was also a big part of the Poppy drive every year up to the year of her own passing.

All 3 were honoured with a traditional Legion/Military send off and I miss them more today then any other day of the year.

THE HACK
11-11-05, 6:52 PM
Don't know if anyone caught any ceremonies in their towns or city but these soldiers who fought for our freedoms are heroes!The sacrifices they and the ones that died made are something we can never be gratefull for enough in our lifetime and I thank them!God bless our Canadian troops!

Cheers