PDA

View Full Version : Roenick still unhappy with new CBA


Iced Tea
10-18-05, 6:08 PM
LA Times.com (http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/kings/la-sp-kings18oct18,1,403827.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nhl-kings&ctrack=1&cset=true) says

Roenick No Fan of New Deal
King forward doesn't hold back in his criticism of the NHL's labor agreement, which he says is an imbalanced partnership with the owners.

By Chris Foster, Times Staff Writer

The Kings' Jeremy Roenick on Monday ripped the new collective bargaining agreement reached in July, saying it allows NHL owners to use the players' salary concessions to subsidize the intense efforts to try to win back fans.

"The owners can sit there and do giveaways and lower ticket prices to get the fans back to the game knowing that what they are really doing is taking it out of our pockets," Roenick said. "It's important to get people back into the arenas to watch hockey, but it is a lot easier to do when [the owners] know they still get money back because they are taking it out of our paycheck. In essence, the players are paying for all the giveaways and free stuff that the owners are doing. Which is all well and good, but you don't hear about it."

The NHL Players' Assn. agreed to a 24% across-the-board rollback in player salaries ? a painful part of the labor agreement after the 2004-05 season was canceled after a lockout. Within that deal was an escrow provision, also agreed to, whereby players could lose more of their salaries should league-wide revenues not reach projected estimates. Player salaries cannot exceed 54% of league revenues.

Revenues have not reached estimates so far. Players' salaries have been reduced by another 12% as a result, a figure based on projected revenues for the season of $1.8 billion. That money has been put into an escrow account.

If revenues eventually hit $1.9 billion this season, the escrow payment drops to 6.9%. If revenues reach $2 billion, the escrow payment would only be 1.7%. If the total goes up to $2.05 billion, then players would receive back more money at the end of the season than they put into escrow.

Revenues were $2.1 billion during the 2003-04 season.

The NHL and players' association agreed to recalculate the escrow percentage four times during the season, with the next one coming in late November. That has players seeing a bigger picture, beyond the uniform they wear.

"When we watch hockey games and see 8,000 fans in [Washington] D.C., you cringe as a player," Roenick said. "Those cities that aren't pulling their weight in terms of drawing fans and revenue are hurting everybody as a whole, not just that city."

Attendance appears to be less than hoped for in a number of arenas this season. The Washington Capitals, who averaged 14,720 during the 2003-04 season, had an announced attendance of 10,968 on Oct. 12 at the 18,277-seat MCI Arena but with several thousand empty seats according to published reports. Attendance for the home opener was 3,304 under capacity.

Moreover, Nielsen ratings for NHL telecasts on OLN have been negligible, worsening the long-term revenue outlook. The first three games averaged fewer than 200,000 viewers.

Roenick has repeatedly used a mocking tone and his fingers to punch the air to signify quotation marks when talking about the "partnership" between the owners and players. NHL leaders ? from Commissioner Gary Bettman on down ? have touted that partnership as a key element in helping the league to move forward.

But, Roenick said, it leaves the players merely junior partners.

"I think the owners got a deal very favorable to them," Roenick said. "It gives them leeway to do more than they should be able to do with our salaries."

An example: For Sunday's game, the Kings gave away a free ticket good for ages 14 and under with every ticket purchased.

"We made the mistake of not signing the deal in February and now we're paying for it in more ways than one," Roenick said, referring to the last-minute negotiations before the season was canceled. "Yeah, we're still making money, but we gave back 24%, then the salary cap and now we give back a percentage of each check because the 'revenue' streams going around the league.

"A partnership is supposed to be us working together to bring fans back," he added. "We have to live with it, but that doesn't mean we have to like it."

The players have not been happy about the escrow account tied to the revenues. But the union leadership has said it was left with little choice but to make a deal, fearing the loss of another season.

"When they saw that 12% out of the paycheck, the guys on our team were [griping] and moaning and complaining about it," Roenick said. "This is after we already had given back 24% and taken a [$39-million] salary cap."I guess because Roenick was so deeply involved in the CBA discussions, he has a right to complain. OH WAIT, Roenick did nothing but b!tch and moan the entire time and never did anything to get the process completed. If he really cared so much, why wasn't he asking to be in on the discussions so he could voice his opinion. Why didn't he try to sway the membership to his way of thinking instead of talking to the media all the time. Because he's just a complainer who never takes action.

If players thought revenues would be the same or better than the previously played season, they're nuts. Casual fans aren't like the diehards, the casual fans need to be enticed back and that takes time even with free tickets and other giveaways.

If Roenick hates it so much, he can go play in Europe.

Newfie John
10-18-05, 6:17 PM
Must be running out of things to complain about while he's laid up.

a4l
10-18-05, 6:39 PM
Jeremy is so entertaining on ice or off. You've got to love the guy.

leaferfan87
10-18-05, 7:10 PM
JR mentions that he's unhappy that the owners are taking money out of "his pocket" to win back fans. Well firstly JR, you have a vested interest in seeing that fans come back as a player and secondly what's done is done. Stop complaining and get on with life.

KB in Kelowna
10-18-05, 8:48 PM
As someone who made out very well under the old system, and won't need any fund raising diners at the end of his contract under this new system, JR should just shut the heck up! If he does his job he will earn his money, same with the rest of them.

PDO
10-18-05, 8:52 PM
I love Roenick.. but is he ever happy?

Yoata
10-18-05, 9:14 PM
Wow, what a surprise, Roenick spouting off with his usual ignorant, whiney, pathetic "poor me" complaints yet again.

It's like he's in some sort of "who can be the most classless" competition with his new teammate Avery, they must get along great, couple of nauseting mouthpieces.

Mel
10-18-05, 9:35 PM
To be fair, Roenick has somewhat of a legit gripe here. Bob Goodenow led the PA on a suicide mission and for the most part they followed along, not wanting to get "out of line". It was discussed as nauseam, to the point where I can't stand remembering the lockout.

Roenick was actually one of a few outspoken individuals who refused to toe the union line when crunch time came (February).

Frankly, I don't like the guy. I find him very annoying and will gladly accept any excuse to bash him... but he's right. The players got completely screwed... way more than necessary. Had they made a real attempt to negotiate in the summer of 04, they could be much better off right now. But they let it go to a point where they were at the owners' mercy. They brought that on themselves... thanks to a profound lack of foresight from their leadership.

I understand why Goodenow was out like yesterday's trash... but I'm not quite sure why Saskin is still floating around. I was mainly against the players through most of the lockout... but in retrospect I can sure as hell see why they aren't happy... and I can easily see why they are protesting the fat $ contract of Ted Saskin. I would too.

a4l
10-18-05, 9:45 PM
What is missing here is the other side of the story. Are the owners footing some of the bill for free tickets & discounts? If the league makes more than a certain amount then the players get back more than thye put in the escrow account which means the owners are giving them a "bonus" which comes out of their profits.

Amoroq
10-19-05, 1:09 AM
I think everyone sees his name and dismiss everything he has to say but when you do that you miss some key information.

"It's important to get people back into the arenas to watch hockey, but it is a lot easier to do when [the owners] know they still get money back because they are taking it out of our paycheck. In essence, the players are paying for all the giveaways and free stuff that the owners are doing. Which is all well and good, but you don't hear about it."

Yoata
10-19-05, 11:39 AM
I think everyone sees his name and dismiss everything he has to say but when you do that you miss some key information.

Come on, you really think this guy really believes in any of that bs he's spewing just to hear himself talk? The same guy who said the fans who pay that big fat salary of his could all "kiss my ass, they can all just KISS... MY... ASS".

Yeah, ears should be wide open to hear what that idiot jackwipe has to say. :rolleyes:

macca
10-19-05, 12:44 PM
What is missing here is the other side of the story. Are the owners footing some of the bill for free tickets & discounts? If the league makes more than a certain amount then the players get back more than thye put in the escrow account which means the owners are giving them a "bonus" which comes out of their profits.

If the owners are discounting tickets usually that means they can't sell them at their current price, doesn't it? The owners have to do everything they can to try and get fans back in the seats, and if they have to discount some tickets or have other promos to accomplish this then I can't see why there is a problem. And besides, if the NHLPA have any issues concerning discounted tickets or other irregularities, then they should get their own auditors involved in the process for once, have their auditors work and ask questions, and be responsible for something for a change. Sitting back and whining doesn't do anyone any good, but I'm sure that won't stop Roenick and a few others from doing it.

KB in Kelowna
10-19-05, 3:26 PM
if discounted tickets help bring fans to the arena then there is a chance they might come back. If they come back they might purchase memorabillia and other merchandise which enhace revenue streams which will create a lareger salary pool. I realize that JR has suffered multiple concussions, but I didn't think it had impacted his crapse and comprehension of the fundementals of business/marketing and economics. My beef with the owners in the lockout was thier lack of a proven track record in managing,promoting and marketing the game in the past. If this truly is a new era, then the reults should be apperent by the end of the season and hopefully by then JR will have something different to whine about or better yet he is out of hockey.