View Full Version : Colaiocovo and Kronwall sent down.
Newfie John
10-03-05, 6:14 AM
Quinn and Fergy are nothing short of retarded. Coli has done everything they've asked of him and still he doesn't make the team. This is just a shot to the heart to Coli, and I don't know if he'll be able to recover.
Give the kid a chance for god sakes. Wozniewski made the team over Coli.. the second coming of Aki Berg. Wozniewski is a big(literally) dumbass. He turns the puck over at will.
Way to go leaf management. :rolleyes:
Iced Tea
10-03-05, 6:22 AM
Quinn will continually go with a veteran laden team until the players retire and then he'll find some other veteran or call up the rookies when they are 25 years or older. The Leafs have the players to build from within but they are being held back by continual signings or resignings of duds and players past their prime.
I believe that the rookies stand a better chance if they are traded to a different team.
This could turn into a great discussion, but I can't find anything on this anywhere.
Iced Tea
10-03-05, 8:11 AM
This could turn into a great discussion, but I can't find anything on this anywhere.Either Newfie John has inside sources or he heard it from his favourite source, Harry McCracken. :D
A portion of a link that I found.
Instead, only veteran Steve Thomas got the axe. Wozniewski, Kyle Wellwood and Carlo Colaiacovo all survived and will join the rest of the club for two days of practices and team bonding in Gravenhurst. LINK (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1128204610815&call_pageid=1044442959412&col=1044442957278)
Newfie John
10-03-05, 1:04 PM
I have my sources people. TSN just put it on their website by the way.
I believe I said it on HF as opposed to here at HS, but if Colaiacovo doesn't see some consistant NHL ice time this season - whether to start of half way through the season I dont really think it matters - the odds of him ever reaching his absolute highest potential in a Toronto uniform will be quite slim.
And this is with Pilar out of action. That's pretty disrespectful to senf him down in this current situation. For shame Quinn, for shame. Another promising prospect turned bust (or dissapointment to expectations) in the big Smoke?
Berg, Belak and Klee are hurting (Rib, foot infection and heal) so one or both might get the call almost immediatly. Blaming this on Quinn is fruitless, he didn't give Berg and Belak a one way deal, JFJ did, and besides anyone who follows this team knows, that its just a matter of time that someone gets injured so its safe to say one or both will have some time in the bigs this year.
Newfie John
10-04-05, 11:02 AM
Berg, Belak and Klee are hurting (Rib, foot infection and heal) so one or both might get the call almost immediatly. Blaming this on Quinn is fruitless, he didn't give Berg and Belak a one way deal, JFJ did, and besides anyone who follows this team knows, that its just a matter of time that someone gets injured so its safe to say one or both will have some time in the bigs this year.
Quinn would have gave them one way contracts aswell. He probably would have tried to resign Drake Berehowski.
I agree with Man U completely. If Colaiocovo can recover from this(which could happen, but doubtful), I'll be surprised.
Newfie John
10-04-05, 11:23 AM
Colaiocovo and Kronwall have been recalled. Klee, Berg and Belak won't be ready. We knew Klee won't be ready, so IMO, our defence has improved with Coli and Kronwall replacing Berg and Belak.
Mccabe-Kaberle
Khavanov-Wozniewski
Coli-Kronwall
I'm excited.
Madferret
10-04-05, 11:45 AM
So are Senator fans. Is that a Jr. B blueline? See you Wednesday..
:nod:
Newfie John
10-04-05, 1:27 PM
So are Senator fans. Is that a Jr. B blueline? See you Wednesday..
:nod:
Just you wait bud. Take that trash to the trash talk section though.
Madferret
10-04-05, 1:50 PM
Just you wait bud. Take that trash to the trash talk section though.
Wait for what? Wait this isn't the trash section?
Hardy har.....
FTR, I'd take Coli over that useless POS Berg anyday, let alone Woz.
Quinn would have gave them one way contracts aswell. He probably would have tried to resign Drake Berehowski.
I agree with Man U completely. If Colaiocovo can recover from this(which could happen, but doubtful), I'll be surprised.If Colaiocovo can't recover from this minor set back, he wasn't worth the pick. You either have it or you don't.
Leafs_Fa_Life
10-04-05, 4:36 PM
Wait for what? Wait this isn't the trash section?
Hardy har.....
FTR, I'd take Coli over that useless POS Berg anyday, let alone Woz.
Well unlike most of us, you've actually seen the Leafs play this preseason. So what can you tell us about Woz? I've heard some good things, but the media is Leafs bias and obviously Quinn won't be critical of the kid since he picked him for the team.
bluemeanie
10-04-05, 4:47 PM
Well unlike most of us, you've actually seen the Leafs play this preseason. So what can you tell us about Woz? I've heard some good things, but the media is Leafs bias and obviously Quinn won't be critical of the kid since he picked him for the team.
For me, Wozenwhatshisname, didn't really stand out. I mentally cut him early on, but he was the one tryout on D that did show to be consistent untill the last PS game. He's a big, stay-at-home D with strong skating skills - and that's just the kind of reliability that Quinn just adores. He's not going to add to the team offensively or give us any high light reels, but he might quietly earn a reputation as a solid and consistent rear gard as the years go by.
Or not.
Oh, I think Cola can and will still be a fine NHL'er. But time is ticking if he's to reach his full potential IMO, and that's more than just an average contributor.
If he doesn't make the big club on full-time status, be it out of camp or later in the year, once again I think it'll be a huge long-term blow. And rightfully so. If that's the case he'll be 23 (going on 24 in winter) and yet to see any real NHL action. How many times do high-level prospects pan out in that situation? And playing in a hockey hot-bed like Toronto where the pressure is always on defensemen, while Cola's fortay won't be his defense in year 1. under Pat Quinn no less? And of those who actually do, who many are NOT late round European picks who gradually built up their status as prospects and had to establish themselves as stars over-seas first?
Madferret
10-04-05, 6:15 PM
Well unlike most of us, you've actually seen the Leafs play this preseason. So what can you tell us about Woz? I've heard some good things, but the media is Leafs bias and obviously Quinn won't be critical of the kid since he picked him for the team.
Maybe it's just me A, I just think Berg is a dolt. He can hardly skate - Woz can, Berg has played his whole career being able to clutch and grab his way out of trouble, no more. Give a fresh kid with fresh legs the chance IMO. But Berg has a contract and age in is corner..
Newfie John
10-04-05, 6:44 PM
Jesus, Coli and Kronwall along with Wellwood have been sent back down. I can't help but feel for Coli and Kronwall. They've been kicked right in the groin, and then everything seems to be fine as JFJ helps them back up, but as soon as they're back up he kicks em in the groin again.
If this is how you develop prospects, i'm Pamela Anderson.
The Insider
10-04-05, 11:23 PM
I think the Belak, Berg experiment on defence won't last long. Let's face it, neither are really effective unless they have someone spoon feeding them on the other side and Berg has been just terrible since he came over. And whoever had the briliant idea of pairing him with Lumme when he was here was on some bad drugs :eek:
I think if either wants to see the NHL this year, they have to play quality AHL minutes and be at the top of their games, since the only way to bump a guy off the team is to play better then him and if an injury comes along and one gets the call, that'll be their only chance to get up and stay up this season.
Wellwood was a surprise, but I guess the Leafs were looking for a 2 way forward which is why Steen got the nod over him. Again though same scenario and if an injury comes up he'll get his chance.
The thing with Carlo is he had almost a full year in the AHL to play under similar rules the NHL is starting this year, he should have been miles ahead of Berg, Belack etc, but was on par and even at times below both of them.
Pst..
Cory Cross or Dan Smith for oen of these guys? I think Quinn would dig it :thumb:
Stunning.. the stupidity that is.
Newfie John
10-05-05, 4:35 PM
Carlo will play tonight against Ottawa.
His blood-pressure must be going up and down more then the private parts of a pornstar.
leaferfan87
10-05-05, 5:32 PM
OK...Pat. Is Carlo a Marlie or a Leaf? Please decide!
Newfie John
10-05-05, 10:57 PM
I thought Carlo played well tonight vs Ottawa. A helluva a lot better then Berg did. I almost forgot why I hated Berg so much, tonight he reminded me. He's such an idiot.
charlio lemieux
10-05-05, 11:10 PM
Berg was on the ice for the tying goal. He has been useless for years. The leafs did well considering the depleted defense core and the loss of Sundin. If Klee was on the ice instead of Berg, Alfie doesn't get the goal. I am impressed.
leaferfan87
10-05-05, 11:12 PM
Yeah both Colaiacovo and Waznooskee (sp!!) looked pretty good out there. Why was Aki Berg on the PP?
The Insider
10-05-05, 11:21 PM
I like how the rooks played tonight, even though they got very limited minutes they didn't look out of place there. I find it hard to believe Carlo only played because Belak got hurt and it begs the question about why we have this guy on the team since players like him will be like a fish out of water in the new NHL. I think our defence showed it can play with the top teams tonight, since their goals came because Domi had no clue where to go in the defensive zone and because Berg was standing around doing his best Tie Domi impersonation.
The Insider
10-06-05, 7:22 PM
And the merry go round continues, Carlo sent to the Marlies today. Obviously we'll see the Belak, Berg experiment a little longer, hopefully it takes only two or three games for the coaching staff to notice a problem, but then again it is Rick Ley...
Madferret
10-06-05, 7:59 PM
Snake bite is back?
The Insider
10-06-05, 8:05 PM
Snake bite is back?
Yep... Spider bite is ready to go :rolleyes:
Man, I had to laugh when I heard why Belak was out. A spider bite!?! :laughing: Then the laughster stopped as I realised Toronto had instantly bolstered their blueline.....
The Insider
10-09-05, 12:32 AM
Just a quick little comment here:
Tonight vs the Habs... Spider Bite & Iceberg were both -3. If there were 2 defenceman who never, and I stress Never should be paired together, it's these two. In fact Aki was on for 4 of the 5 Hab goals, while Belak was on for 3. Like how is that permitted, how does this team expect to compete when one defensive pairing is allowing 3+ goals a game, and I know there is an increase in goals, but look at Ribeiro's goal, no one was within 10 feet of him and he's beside Belfour. Bring back Carlo and Woz... or even Marchment for that matter, anyone but these two :curse:
KB in Kelowna
10-09-05, 12:51 AM
Bring back Carlo and Woz... or even Marchment for that matter, anyone but these two :curse:
Cherry said between games they won't bring Marchment back as that would mean admitting they made a mistake. Again I ask how does Aki Berg stay on the team?
The Insider
10-09-05, 1:15 AM
Cherry said between games they won't bring Marchment back as that would mean admitting they made a mistake. Again I ask how does Aki Berg stay on the team?
And that is exactly what is wrong with this team... we would put our pride cutting or not cutting a guy over success. If they guy sucks, get rid of him and cut your losses, I remember a little while ago a player the Oilers signed a while ago...I think Jiri something...didn't work out and was cut, sure it made them look foolish for signing him in the first place for a while, but after that no one remembered and look at how they're doing now. Holding on to these guys 3-4 years for the sake of pride is a joke and someone better smarten up sooner or later.
If it weren't for them freeking one ways and the leafs being at the tip of the cap. :curse: Thanks god I didn't expect a miricle this year but at least make it look like there is some effort to win.
The Insider
10-09-05, 1:26 AM
If it weren't for them freeking one ways and the leafs being at the tip of the cap. :curse: Thanks god I didn't expect a miricle this year but at least make it look like there is some effort to win.
Berg for 1.1, is a joke. How he gets over 1 million in todays NHL is a huge oversight by JFJ and it's going to really hurt us this year... BTW it was only a 1 year deal right???(and before you answer remember, I am wound pretty tight now :thumb: )
Berg for 1.1, is a joke. How he gets over 1 million in todays NHL is a huge oversight by JFJ and it's going to really hurt us this year... BTW it was only a 1 year deal right???(and before you answer remember, I am wound pretty tight now :thumb: )After 2 games for Berg he should be put on waivers, at 1.1 m, I doubt he would get picked off, but stranger things have happened. I am willing to give Belak a few more games to get back into the swing of things as he was comming of that spider bite, but no more then that.
If he can't make the adjustments then put him on the waiver wire as well. Belak actually has a better chance at getting picked off the wire then Berg because of his size and he can play D and forward.(neither that good, but he could be filler at his 600 grand price tag.
Now all that being said, if both clear waivers they are due their NHL salaray even on the marlies, thats almost 2 mil. The Leafs are at 34.5 in salary, dumping these 2 and adding Colaiacovo and Kronwall would probably add about 1.8 to the 34.5, bringing the cap to 36.3. That still leaves some wiggle room, I say its time for JFJ to look down the hall and admit his mistake like his counter part on the Raptors, Rob Babcock did by trading Alston.
The Berg experiment is over, and the Wade trial period is almost up.
A few other things that are wrong with this team. Not everything is Berg and Belaks fault, a lot of the time some of the forwards aren't in a position to help out. Many times I've seen Tucker and Domi just standing around or not in a position that would help out the D. I love Domi but maybe Pittsburg would want to swap Roy for Domi, its less money then what they first offered Domi in the off season so it might work.
I'm just rambling here and my frustration level is thru the roof and again its early but damn this team, on paper is better then this. It just needs some tweeking and I'd rather see it happen sooner then later.
Leafs_Fa_Life
10-09-05, 12:04 PM
Get Woz and Carlo in there. Early on they'll probably make the same mistakes Berg and Belak make in the defensive zone, but being rookies I'd like to hope both would get better as the season goes on. Berg and Belak, on the other hand, will be making the same mistakes all season.
Newfie John
10-09-05, 1:48 PM
Last night Aki Berg was the reason the leafs lost. No doubt in my mind.
Any chance these two will be dressed and paired together tomorrow? :wicked: :jacks:
On the subject of Toronto rookies, good for Steen to get his first NHL goal. And right after Cherry ranted on about how he didn't deserve a spot in Toronto and couldn't score during the intermission. :laughing: He saw Theodore was cheating, took the shot and scored. Theodore, like quite a few other Toronto goals last night, should have had it in all honesty but a goal's a goal. Had he stayed in his net Steen just could've passed. That likely would've resulted in a goal aswell, though not off Steen's stick.
Newfie John
10-09-05, 2:06 PM
Any chance these two will be dressed and paired together tomorrow? :wicked: :jacks:
On the subject of Toronto rookies, good for Steen to get his first NHL goal. And right after Cherry ranted on about how he didn't deserve a spot in Toronto and couldn't score during the intermission. :laughing: He saw Theodore was cheating, took the shot and scored. Theodore, like quite a few other Toronto goals last night, should have had it in all honesty but a goal's a goal. Had he stayed in his net Steen just could've passed. That likely would've resulted in a goal aswell, though not off Steen's stick.
Steen's goal was a beauty IMO. He wasn't even looking at the net when he shot it. He was looking at Stajan(I think) as if he was going to pass it. When he took the shot he was still looking at Stajan. The shot went top shelf. Had Theo fooled.
Wellwood had an assist aswell.
leaferfan87
10-09-05, 6:35 PM
Why were Berg and Belak in the lineup over these guys? They were on the ice for the last two Hab goals.
Newfie John
10-10-05, 8:24 AM
Why were Berg and Belak in the lineup over these guys? They were on the ice for the last two Hab goals.
Plus 2 more.
Leafs_Fa_Life
10-15-05, 11:34 AM
Carlo is hurt again. Anybody know what's wrong with him this time?
bluemeanie
10-15-05, 11:39 AM
Carlo is hurt again. Anybody know what's wrong with him this time?
It might just be his feelings this time.
Leafs_Fa_Life
10-15-05, 11:41 AM
It might just be his feelings this time.
:laughing:
Well if that's the case, he's a little girl and should be dealt:pimp:
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