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Predicted score: 4-2 Canucks (If they can relatively keep down the penalties) with Anaheim taking the shootouts.
Well we lost 4-2 and lost in shootouts as well.
The Good:
Bourdon: He has the size to compete with the NHL boys. He always has great position, probably initiated the best first passes throughout the game on the Canucks and threw some heavy hits. If we weren't going to develop him properly through juniors first then AHL, and if we were a team in rebuilding mode I'd definately say he'd have a spot on the team.
Kesler: Strong showing, was very aggresive and played very smart. Later in the game with Federov the two seemed to have great chemistry and I thought were probably the best line in the 3rd period. Federov however earlier played badly and was the direct reason why the Ducks scored 2/4 goals. However 3rd period he settled down.
Jovo: Didn't make many errors and was aggresive and took it to the net even. One critical error but it didn't result in a goal luckily. Had a great slapper that ended up in the back of the net.
Naslund had a beauty of a goal too, top corner on the PP. Cloutier played pretty well, strong showing for first of the year, the two goals he let in he didn't have any defensive help and didn't really have a chance at either. He made one amazing save, sprawled after making several saves he reach up with his glove to rob one of the Ducks point blank.
Perry is trying to make me eat my words with 2 stunning goals tonight against the Nucks.
We all know the Flames picked up Kipper and road his succesful play even though he was a career backup up until then, another gem I think is Bryzgalov who played tonight. He was in perfect position I thought on almost every play, and the two that got in on him were great shots. He was poised and I think in the future something the Canucks maybe ought to look into since he is cheap.
Madferret
9-25-05, 9:23 AM
How was the goaltending? Nonnis has plenty of talent he could dangle in Vanvouver for a goalie. What about going after Kolizig?
charlio lemieux
9-25-05, 10:34 AM
Perry is trying to make me eat my words with 2 stunning goals tonight against the Nucks.
Don't worry. This kid hardly gets the respect he deserves. There will be a lot of hockey and media types eating their words before this kid's career is over. He dominated the OHL, and yet was considered the 13th forward for the Canadian junior team. Until an injury put him on the first line, which did very well.(6-2-5-7) What is it, his skating everyone hates. Funny, they said the same thing about Andreychuk, 22 years and 634 goals later he is the captain of the defending Cup champions.
OHL 04-05
1st. Perry 60gp 47g 83a 130pts
QMJHL 04-05
1st. Crosby 62gp 66g 102a 168pts
2nd. Roussin 69gp 54g 62a 116pts
WHL 04-05
1st. Fehr 71gp 59g 52a 111pts
Perry was the second leading scorer in all of Canadian junior last year and yet he still gets over looked. Don't be surprised if he is getting pushed for the Calder by Feb. or Mar. He is another of these guys that have been told they were too small or too slow to play, and yet he keeps achieving success.
charlio lemieux
9-25-05, 10:46 AM
How was the goaltending? Nonnis has plenty of talent he could dangle in Vanvouver for a goalie. What about going after Kolizig?
Kolzig is the only reason it won't be 10-1 every night in Washington. I think they may keep him.
After the Leafs injure themselves out of the playoff hunt, they will send Eddie out west for Cloutier and "future considerations". The Eagle can deliver the cup on a team as strong as the Canucks.
Next year Luongo and Raycroft are both FA's, and Toronto wants one of them.
KB in Kelowna
9-25-05, 12:51 PM
How was the goaltending? Nonnis has plenty of talent he could dangle in Vanvouver for a goalie. What about going after Kolizig?
Cloutier was pulled after 2 goals. He is battling the flu and was dehydrated. The Perry goals were things of beauty,the Kid has some nice moves. Canucks still not firing on all cylinders, now if this was Oct 25 I might be worried.
Kolzig is a below average goalie who had one good year. Please trade the Sedins for him.
As for Perry, all I'm going to say is I still doubt his game translates to the NHL, but we'll have to see.
Perry had the goal of the game, off a turnover, shielded the puck with his body, put it between his legs, spun around and wristed it home near side on Johnson. It was a thing of beauty.
Cloutier was great during the game, the two goals he let in again he didn't have any defensive help. He made several of his classic cloutier saves where he makes 3-4 little saves point blank in a row. He wasn't pulled due to bad play, simply because he is battling the flu.
Madferret
9-25-05, 3:58 PM
Next year Luongo and Raycroft are both FA's, and Toronto wants one of them.
I HATE comments like that.
See the thing with is that there will be 29 other teams who will want one of them as well. You have to start getting into the mindset that lots of teams right now have the talent and prospects to make a move for Luongo, and teams simply won't let players of that caliber walk to UFA status anymore, biding he has a no trade clause in his current contract.
I guarantee that Luongo is gone by the deadline if the Panthers are out of the race, maybe even earlier. The bottom line here Charlio is that Luongo and Raycroft will never end up in Toronto.
Ok, back to the topic here, I think Vancouver should try and pull off a deal to get a Raycroft or Luongo out West. Buffalo could be looked at also. Clouts is a career backup IMO. I know I'm going to get chewed up by the Nucklers on this but that's the reality of Dan Cloutier.
charlio lemieux
9-25-05, 6:06 PM
I HATE comments like that.
See the thing with is that there will be 29 other teams who will want one of them as well. You have to start getting into the mindset that lots of teams right now have the talent and prospects to make a move for Luongo, and teams simply won't let players of that caliber walk to UFA status anymore, biding he has a no trade clause in his current contract.
It takes too much energy to hate. Here's some food for thought.
Chicago, New Jersey, San Jose, Montreal, Calgary, Anaheim, Nashville, Dallas, will have no interest at all in Raycroft or Luongo.
NY Islanders, Atlanta, Edmonton, Philly, Pittsburg, Phoenix, Colorado, Columbus, Detroit, interest will depend on the performance of their goalie's this year. But it is unlikely they will enter a bidding war for either goalie.
TB, LA, Carolina, Buffalo, all need a bonafide no.1.
NY Rangers - Have Weekes but you know Slats.
Washington - Luongo or Raycroft would be good in rebuilding a team. Moving Kolzig is the problem.
Minnisota - The duo they have now seems to be to their liking.
Vancouver - If Cloutier has a good playoff run they will keep him.
St. Louis - They just signed Lalime, so they would have to unload him first.
Ottawa - If Hasek is still healthy and had a good Playoffs he will be kept.
Toronto - Belfour will not be in Toronto next year, unless they win it all. Bye Eddie.
Florida - They may very well keep Luongo.
Boston - They may very well keep Raycroft.
TB, LA, Carolina, Buffalo, Boston, Florida, will be trying to sign one of them for sure.
Toronto, Washington, Ottawa, Vancouver, have to want to up grade or get younger.
NYR is unpredictable.
So I would say there may be ten or eleven teams taking a serious look at either Luongo or Raycroft. The others either have goalie's that they are happy with, or a young goalie they want to give a chance.
So it's not 29 other teams with the same thing in mind. Atleast 25% of them won't even look into a deal. Another 30% have goalies they want to give a chance to, so bringing in another No. 1 tender makes no sense.
I guarantee that Luongo is gone by the deadline if the Panthers are out of the race, maybe even earlier. The bottom line here Charlio is that Luongo and Raycroft will never end up in Toronto.
I've got it worked out to about a 1 in 6 chance of signing one or the other, including their original teams trying to re-sign them. :thumb:
Ottawa - If Hasek is still healthy and had a good Playoffs he will be kept.
Just so Emery won't have too much pressure on him. Next year we will really start building for the future between the pipes, and it will start a bit this season I'm sure. But don't kid yourself, Ottawa will be kicking the tires at least. Just like every team who doesn't have an elite level goaltender They'd drop Hasek in a second if they could reach a deal in principal with one of those big name guys.
But given our cap situation next year after we re-sign some key guys I can't see us having the funds anyway so that point is moot.
KB in Kelowna
9-25-05, 8:28 PM
I think Vancouver should try and pull off a deal to get a Raycroft or Luongo out West. Buffalo could be looked at also. Clouts is a career backup IMO. I know I'm going to get chewed up by the Nucklers on this but that's the reality of Dan Cloutier.
Actually my patience is wearing thin with Cloutier. Most Caunck fans would probably agree. He has been given pleanty of chances. He is back because managament is giving him the benefit of the doubt as he was injured and Bertuzzi was otherwise occupied in the spring of 2004. The guy will never be a Vezina candidate but if he can provide competant steady goal tending, cut down the brain cramps and keep his temper in check, well maybe. If not ship him out, even if it is a salary cap hit. The problem with trading is what do the Canucks give up? Most teams know we are looking to upgrade at the goalie position and thus what price would they demand. I personally would like to see Toskala from San Jose, Timmy Tabbasco likes Garon. Then there is the defence problem. Jovo is a UFA next year and he will demand a big price. Last season Malik and Sopel were on eveyone's "Brown Stuff List" in Canuck land. We they are both gone with only a 3rd round pick to show for them both. I am not off the band wagon, but I don't have my spot picked out on Robson Street for the Cup parade next June either.
I wouldn't say Carolina is really in the hunt for either of them next year. They have Gerber and I think they are counting on him continuing to develop in #1 goalie. I don't think they'll through him out the door and go after one of the other goalies. Not to mention I doubt either will want to end up there.
I think Raycroft will most likely keep his loyalties to Boston for atleast one more time around, however Luongo is definately going to be out of Florida, possibly even traded this year.
TimmyTabasco
9-28-05, 2:11 AM
Ok, back to the topic here, I think Vancouver should try and pull off a deal to get a Raycroft or Luongo out West. Buffalo could be looked at also. Clouts is a career backup IMO. I know I'm going to get chewed up by the Nucklers on this but that's the reality of Dan Cloutier.
Two words
Pre-season :nod:
Vancouver won't go out and get another goalie. And thats the bottom line. So, we have to put out faith in cloutier, and just see what happens
P.S. He isn't THAT bad :thumb:
charlio lemieux
9-28-05, 1:11 PM
I don't see how Vancouver can enter another playoffs with Cloutier as their #1. I know Detroit did it with Vernon and Osgood, but Vancouver is no where near as deep as those Detroit teams where. They even admitted they had to up grade and get Hasek if they wanted to win the cup again.
You need a goalie that will steal atleast 2 games in a series. And for as good as Cloutier may be, he is not one of these goalies that can just shut the door, and stand on their heads all night.
A hot goalie can trump any offence. Anaheim and Calgary rode their goalies to a cup final appearance, They went through several teams that were deemed stronger or deeper, but just couldn't match the goaltending. It's the final piece of the puzzle for Vancouver. Until it is addressed the Canucks will be watching the finals.
This season should be it for Cloutier. I'm not so much of a homer to know that the Canucks are weak in net. I've said many times that Cloutier can get in done in the regular season but seems to breakdown in the post season.
If Luongo was available, the Canucks would be nuts not to make a good offer.
Personally, I think that the Canucks need some new scouts and better drafting. Fix those problems and things would improve.
charlio lemieux
9-28-05, 2:56 PM
I have always liked Manny Legace, and if Detroit is going to go with Osgood as their #1, then I would grab him. If Detroit finally gives him #1 duties, my second choice would be Toskala.
Even as a Leafs fan, if we crash and burn, I would like to see Eddie get a shot at another cup, in Vancouver. Cap permitting of course. At his age Clouts and a draft pick would be fine.
Actually that may not be such a bad trade. Belfour is old and has a bad back. The Leafs have no real sure fire goalie prospects, and Clouts would at-the-very-least be a decent replacement. The Canucks need to win now, and Eddie may only have one more good run in him, but he would give Vancouver the best goalie they've ever had, if even for only one year. It only takes one year to win the Cup.
TimmyTabasco
9-28-05, 3:12 PM
I have always liked Manny Legace, and if Detroit is going to go with Osgood as their #1, then I would grab him. If Detroit finally gives him #1 duties, my second choice would be Toskala.
Even as a Leafs fan, if we crash and burn, I would like to see Eddie get a shot at another cup, in Vancouver. Cap permitting of course. At his age Clouts and a draft pick would be fine.
Actually that may not be such a bad trade. Belfour is old and has a bad back. The Leafs have no real sure fire goalie prospects, and Clouts would at-the-very-least be a decent replacement. The Canucks need to win now, and Eddie may only have one more good run in him, but he would give Vancouver the best goalie they've ever had, if even for only one year. It only takes one year to win the Cup.
Are you serious? Belfour is aging, and I don't want him anywhere near the Canucks. Thanks anyway :thumb:
As KB pointed out, I like Garon. This guy has better potential than Theodore, and will be an allstar in the NHL. BUT, Canucks missed the boat, and the Kings wont let him go.
That brings us to Toskala. This is a guy who would be great on the Canucks, and probably pull a "Kipper".
But, I don't like the Belfour idea at all. You can keep your damaged goods
charlio lemieux
9-28-05, 4:21 PM
Are you serious? Belfour is aging, and I don't want him anywhere near the Canucks. Thanks anyway
But, I don't like the Belfour idea at all. You can keep your damaged goods
:laughing: About 1,500,000 Leafs fans had similar feelings when he was signed after a terrible season in Dallas. It was a lonely time to be a Belfour fan. :shrug:
:(
TimmyTabasco
9-29-05, 2:49 PM
:laughing: About 1,500,000 Leafs fans had similar feelings when he was signed after a terrible season in Dallas. It was a lonely time to be a Belfour fan. :shrug:
:(
Yeah, but how many years ago was that? :thumb: :nod:
Did you see the way Toskala played last night?
Nonis, put down the doughnut, and make a deal! :nod:
charlio lemieux
9-29-05, 6:43 PM
Yeah, but how many years ago was that?
Three, I believe. Eddie's #'s for 03-04 were good. T3rd in wins, 2nd in SO, 2.13 GAA and a .918 sv%.
But, if Toskala can be picked up, he should be. :thumb:
Not saying that they are comparable but if you go by stats...
Cloutier - 33 wins, .914 sv% 2.27 GAA
Belfour - 34 wins, .918 sv% 2.13 GAA
And Belfour makes 2 million+ more. And he is older.
charlio lemieux
10-02-05, 8:41 PM
And Eddie has that thing,.. you know ... oh what is it?... it's right there.... come on....I know this ... damn ... any way he had 10 Shutouts to Cloutier's 5.
Oh ya, a Stanley Cup Ring. :thumb: :D
TimmyTabasco
10-02-05, 10:35 PM
Oh ya, a Stanley Cup Ring. :thumb: :D
True, but remember..Belfour was 34 when he won that cup. That was 6 years ago.
BTW, Toskala makes $684,000..makes a case for him even better :nod:
. any way he had 10 Shutouts to Cloutier's 5.
A wins a win in my books, as long as it gets done ;)
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