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Each week feel free to give away one game ball (for an outstanding performance) and one lame ball (for an inferior performance) to an NFL player (No quarterbacks, please. That's too easy.), coach, manager, group of people, mascot, etc. Anything, really.
Starting with week one, here are my handouts.
My first game ball goes to Nick Saben for stepping into that disfunctional Dolphins' locker room and turning that team around into believers. They come out as a team and played like one too. In all aspects (offence, defence, special teams) they handed the Broncos an unexplainable and embarrassing week one loss.
My week one lame ball goes to the TITans' secondary. They were figuratively raped by Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers' passing game. He's really not a great quarterback, but Tennessee's cornerbacks and safties looked amateur against him. Now I know they lost a lot of personnel over the offseason, but come on, at least show up to play with some passion and effort.
There. The ice should now be broken. Your turn.
Game Ball to Peyton Manning. Simply said, he managed to beat the best defnse in the league. May have taken some time, but he did it, and his tema won because he was able to.
Lame Ball to Matt Stover. Simply said, missing 3 FG's is not acceptable. He makes them, and it's a much different game. There's no reason to believe he won't bounce back, and it's a long season; but he has a lot of making up to do.
Leafs_Fa_Life
9-12-05, 12:37 AM
Game ball goes to the New Orleans Saints. So much going on around this team right now, and they walk into Carolina and beat one of the top teams in the NFC.
Lame ball goes to my Green Bay Packers. 14 penalties for 100 yards. I'm sorry, but that's just a disgrace. Especially Ahmad Carroll getting flagged for illegal use of hands 3 friggin times. I guess those boxing gloves on in practice still aren't working.
leaferfan87
9-12-05, 1:04 AM
My game ball goes to Cadillac Williams, the guy is going to be a star in this league in my opinion.
My lame ball goes to the offensive line of the Minnesota Vikings. Please, please give the offense a chance to do something.
Game Ball: Drew Bledsoe, Dallas Cowboys QB. Under preassure most of the day he eeked out a win. At one point, probably the low point the Boys had 5 straight penalties that put them on their own 1 inch line. Dallas might be a team to keep an eye on, especially if Price and Bledsoe can rekindle the relationship they had in Buffalo. :curse:
Lame Ball: St. Louis Rams, simply put they lost to the Niners.
leaferfan87
9-12-05, 12:17 PM
Dallas might be a team to keep an eye on, especially if Price and Bledsoe can rekindle the relationship they had in Buffalo. ( :curse:)
Nevermind Price, this Crayton kid is somebody I'd keep an eye on.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
9-12-05, 8:49 PM
Game ball goes to the Chiefs defense. They marched went up against a pretty good Jets offense and took them out to the shed. Martin only had 60 rushing yards, he led the league last year. They also forced 7 fumbles. With this new and improved defense and the already great offense, they might take the West.
Lame ball goes to the refs for the Chargers/Cowboys game. At the end, don't know if anyone else noticed this, but Aaron Glenn made the INT but never took a knee or was tackled. He started celebratin with the ball and struttin in the endzone but the whistle never blew. Then when a Chager player, I think Keenan McCardell came over to take the ball out of the one hand that Glenn was holding it in, the refs blew the whistle. Glenn didn't step out of bounds and he was standin when the whistle blew. The refs just missed that one.
Game ball goes to the Chiefs defense...they might take the West.Yes, it's improved, but don't go overboard here.
Lame ball goes to the refs for the Chargers/Cowboys game. At the end, don't know if anyone else noticed this, but Aaron Glenn made the INT but never took a knee or was tackled. He started celebratin with the ball and struttin in the endzone but the whistle never blew. Then when a Chager player, I think Keenan McCardell came over to take the ball out of the one hand that Glenn was holding it in, the refs blew the whistle. Glenn didn't step out of bounds and he was standin when the whistle blew. The refs just missed that one.Didn't see that. Hmm. So if McCardell (?) would have got the ball away from Glenn, then that would have been a touchdown and San Diego would have won? Good stuff that the zebras blew it. ;)
Gameball - Willie Harris. He did an obviously awesome job in place of the injured Jarome bettis and Duece Staley.
Lameball - As Amo said, St.louis Rams losing against the 49'ers is just crap.
Gameball - Willie Harris. He did an obviously awesome job in place of the injured Jarome bettis and Duece Staley.
Lameball - As Amo said, St.louis Rams losing against the 49'ers is just crap.Willie Parker ;)
Willie Parker ;)
LOL!! i even checked to confirm that it was Willie parker before I typed, but the right name didnt come out. Hmmm why was i thinking of the name Willie harris.
My bad.
leaferfan87
9-13-05, 12:35 AM
LOL!! i even checked to confirm that it was Willie parker before I typed, but the right name didnt come out. Hmmm why was i thinking of the name Willie harris.
My bad.
Harris plays for the Bears right?
Harris plays for the Bears right? KeithM wouldn't know, but Willie Harris plays for the Chicago White Sox. Right church, wrong pew.
charlio lemieux
9-13-05, 1:06 AM
Game Ball to that young guy Hall for defending TO
Lame Ball to the two idiots that got tossed before the game.
Vick looked very dangerous in the first Quarter.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
9-14-05, 12:37 AM
One of those two idiots shouldn't have been tossed. Trotter defends himself from a punch and gets tossed. What a trade, our starting Pro Bowl MLB for their nickel CB. If Trotter was playing we would have won, but I'm not complainin. I know who is the best team even though people are already annoiting the Falcons NFC Champs.
Oh, and seein the NFL replays over the week, I am expanding my lame ball to all NFL refs. Priest Holmes gets a TD when he clearly shouldn't have, McNabb gets rammed in the chest with a helmet first tackle that limited him the rest of the game, even though Micheal Lewis pushes Micheal Vick out of bounds when he barely had on foot out and gets flagged. There was a lot more, but I can't remember 'em all.
Lame Ball to the two idiots that got tossed before the game.
Yep that was Mathis and Trotter and now these 2 will be getting a nice little $10,000 fine,serves them right! :nod:
Game ball goes to the New Orlean Saints,what an upset! :)
Cheers
The Insider
9-14-05, 7:54 PM
Game balls to the 49ers + Miami Dolphins, after miserable seasons for both last season, getting a win in week #1 is a great feeling.
Lame Balls to both Duce Staley and Jerome Bettis who both because of injuries have severly decimating my RBs in the pool :thumb:
But to be serious, my Lame ball goes to the St. Louis Rams and the Denver Broncos, both of whom had losses to teams they probably should've beat.
leaferfan87
9-19-05, 12:14 PM
Game Ball: Donovan McNabb, 342 yards, 5 TD's all on a bruised chest
Lame Ball: Minnesota Vikings :cry:
2 games balls for me, even in a loosing game Bret Favre became the 3rd member of the 50,000 yards club, and Tomlinson set an NFL record with TDs rushing in 14 consecutive games.
Lame ball, Dante Culpepper and the entire Vikings team, horrible!! Dante is for trade!!!! Friggen yahoo has him on the can't cut list, if not I would simply have droped his sorry ass!!!
Game Ball: Donovan McNabb, 342 yards, 5 TD's all on a bruised chest
Lame Ball: Minnesota Vikings :cry:
Agree 100%! :)
McNabb basically has the offensive,AP,and Fed-Ex player of the week wrapped up with his performance!
Carnell "Cadilac" Williams had another impressive week rushing for over 100 yds.
Pink-slip ball goes to Houston Texans offensive coordinator who was fired today,ouch!
Cheers
leaferfan87
9-19-05, 11:26 PM
Lame Ball- The Washington Redskins offense. Until the last five minutes of this game:D
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
9-20-05, 12:26 AM
Well, that lame ball may have been a little premature as Santan Moss gets my game ball with 2 clutch TDs in the last quarter to put his team up by one point. Now the Washinton defense just has to stop the Cowboys from getting into FG range with about 26 seconds left.
Fight for ole DC!!! :)
Play of the game, Brunells 25 yard scamper to give them a shot at 4th and 4.
Fight for ole DC!!! :)
Play of the game, Brunells 25 yard scamper to give them a shot at 4th and 4.
Or the touchdown throw when they were on their last legs with a 4th and 15,now thats clutch!
Obviously I'm pissed off as I thought the Cowboys played a masterfull game on defence until the end when they blew it bigtime.The Cowboys had a realistic chance of going 3-0 to start the season but now will be scrambling just to get that wild card spot.I know its early but this could be the game that sinks their season.On the bright side theirs only 3 teams at 2-0 but still what a frustrating and dissappionting loss,esp to the Redskins! :cry:
Cheers
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
9-20-05, 10:28 PM
There are more than 3 teams that are undefeated. The Redskins, Chiefs, Giants, Buccaneers, Bengals, Steelers, and Colts. The surprising team to me is the Giants. I thought Arizona was gonna take that first game of the season, and no matter what anyone says, the Giants had an unfair advantage with the extra home game.
THE HACK
9-21-05, 12:37 PM
I should have clarified my post,what I meant was 3 teams in our Conference are 2-0 to start and they are not the teams you would expect to be undefeated.I agree about the NY Giants game and I'm glad the New Orlean Saints are still ripping into the NFL about it beacause that was a total joke!
Cheers
Week 3 game balls
1. David Ackers - 23 yd game winning feild goal in dying seconds of the game with a TORN hamstring.As he kicked the field goal he dropped immediately to the field in a massive amount of pain.I was just waiting for the stretcher to come out and carry him off to the knackers!
2. Shaun Alexander - possibly the most underrated running back in the league rushed for 140 yds with 4 tds!
3. Carnell "Cadillac" Williams - I gave him the game ball last week and will give him one this week too as he rushes for 158yds and shatters the record for most rushing yds by a rookie in his 1st 3 consecutive games.Well done!
Lameball
This one goes out to Julian Peterson of the 49ers(sorry bro)for guaranteeing a victory this weekend.Not only did your team lose but you couldn't even finish the game because you hurt yourself.Next time just shut up and play the game.
Cheers
Evidently I missed handing out week two balls. Doh!
Anyways for week three, my game ball goes out to the Denver Broncos defensive line, as aquired via the Browns. They finally played the type of game that was expected from the start of the season. They absolutely shut down Holmes and Johnson last night, making them like a couple of varsity ball carriers. Well done helping the Broncos tie for the division lead.
My lame ball is going out to the very inconsistant Carolina Panthers. They lose to the Saints, beat the Patriots, then lose to the Dolphins. There's a few things wrong with that, especially for a team that is suppose to be contending for the NFC title. They better get their acts together or they'll be facing another record like they had in 2004.
leaferfan87
9-28-05, 1:20 AM
Game Ball- The secondary of the Cincinnati Bengals. This is two weeks in a row that you have picked off 5 of your opposing QB's passes. Good job!
Lame Ball- Aaron Brooks. Struggled all day against the Vikings defense.
leaferfan87
9-28-05, 1:20 AM
You can delete this reply. I somehow managed to post my message twice.
THE HACK
10-09-05, 8:40 PM
I'm going to be a bit of a homer here and give the game ball to Drew Bledsoe who threw for over 300 yds with 3 touchdown passes over the Philadelphia Eagles. :nod:
Lame ball goes to the Baltimore Ravens defence with all those stupid penalties they took costing them the game.Suggs ejection for touching an official was the icing on the cake!
Cheers
Leafs_Fa_Life
10-10-05, 1:50 PM
Game Ball goes to the Packers. Finally won a game, and it was a 52-3 raping of the Saints :D
Lame Ball goes to the Ravens. Will probably finish third in the AFC North, and they're one of the biggest disappointments this season.
leaferfan87
10-14-05, 11:49 PM
Game Ball: Drew Bledsoe, played an excellent game against Philly. Nobody expected Dallas to manhandle the Eagles like they did.
Lame Ball: New Orleans Saints. I know they've gone through alot, but 52-3! Wow!
THE HACK
10-18-05, 3:25 PM
Week 6 game ball goes to Shaun Alexander with another 4 touchdown game.Hopefully he doesn't do this next week as I'm making the trek down to Seattle to watch my Cowboys play in what should be one heck of a high scoring football game!:nod:
Lame ball goes to Tommy Maddox for an awful game for the Steelers.Any chance of trying to win the AFC just went down the drain!
Cheers
KB in Kelowna
10-18-05, 4:54 PM
Week 6 game ball goes to Shaun Alexander with another 4 touchdown game.Hopefully he doesn't do this next week as I'm making the trek down to Seattle to watch my Cowboys play in what should be one heck of a high scoring football game!:nod:
Lame ball goes to Tommy Maddox for an awful game for the Steelers.Any chance of trying to win the AFC just went down the drain!
Cheers
2 points: enjoy Seattle Hack. And to quote Peter King "No Ben No Hines, No Win, no kidding!"
leaferfan87
10-18-05, 6:06 PM
Game Ball: LT!!
Lame Ball: Vikings:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
10-18-05, 9:59 PM
As much as I would love to give the game ball to Tomlinson or Alexander for their monster performances, the ball has to go to Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning. On Monday Night they became the most prolific QB-WR duo by surpassing Steve Young-Joe Montana with 86 TDs. This is only the beginning, and I have the distinct feelling that they will shov this record well over 100 TD mark.
Lame ball goes to Tommy Maddox. He just sucks. He lost a game that could have easily been would had the Steelers had a capable QB. And then to make matters worse, Maddox blamed his horrible play on the wind.
THE HACK
10-19-05, 7:35 PM
2 points: enjoy Seattle Hack. And to quote Peter King "No Ben No Hines, No Win, no kidding!"
Thanks,I'll only enjoy it if the Cowboys win!:)
I'll be wearing my Roy Williams jersey so I'm just hoping to make it out of Seattle alive!
Big Ben will play this Sunday but I don't know about Hines status yet!
Cheers
My week six game ball goes to an athlete who didn't even play. New England Patriots' team captain Tedy Bruschi announced that he will be returning the football field soon. To think it was only a couple months ago he suffered a stroke and was nearly blind for the rest of his life, Bruschi is proving the strength of his spirit once again. This guy is great for football.
My lame ball has to go the Tommy Maddox. I know he's a quarterback and I don't want them mentioned in this thread, because it's too easy to praise/blame them, however the game he played against the Jaguars was disgusting. One of the worst performances from the pivot position I have ever seen. I watched the game and as it went on Maddox got worse and he had his worst play in overtime, throwing the INT that was ran back for the touchdown. Too bad for the XFL's only MVP.
Game ball.. gotta follow JR's lead and go with Bruschi.
Lameball.. how about the Rams for absolutely falling apart after a 17-0 lead? Not to mention costing me $20 on the spread :curse:
Leafs_Fa_Life
10-23-05, 4:41 PM
Game Ball...Edinger for making a 56 yarder to win it for the Vikes.
Lame Ball...Packers coaching staff. What's with the conservative game calling in the second half. The team is 1-4, you're facing another team just as bad, and you have a 17-0 lead. With Favre playing great, and the running game non-existant, you keep throwing the ball downfield and step on the other teams throat. Instead we run a friggin draw play to Tony Fisher on third down, even though Favre was almost unstoppable this afternoon, let Minny stay in the game and end up letting them win it. I won't even bother getting my hopes up about Leinhart or Bush in the draft because this team is so pathetic at drafting that they'd probably pass up on both if they picked high enough to select either one.
leaferfan87
10-23-05, 7:13 PM
Game Ball: Mike Edinger
Lame Ball: Geez...I actually have to make an effort to look for one! Um...how about the San Francisco 49ers
Game ball: Amani Toomer, who burns the Broncos again.
Lame balls: Packers. Any team that loses to the Love Boat gang is lame.
Also the Denver secondary stunk it up against the Giants. Their D-line was great, but Eli Manning, Plaxico Burress and Toomer picked the corners and safeties apart. It pissed me off to no end.
Jamal Lewis only had 34 yards against the Bears. I know they have a good defence this year, but come on. The Ravens scored just six points to record their fourth loss of the season and drop to last in the AFC North.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
10-24-05, 12:30 AM
Game ball has to go to the Philly defense. LaDainian Tomlinson is the best RB in football and he was SHUTDOWN. Supposedly the main weakness against the Eagles is the run defense. Well, you wouldn't be able to tell from the way they stopped LT on Sunday. Tomlinson only had 7 rushing yards, and his TD streak was snapped.
Lame ball goes to the officials of the New Orleans-St. Louis game. They find yet another way to screw over the Saints. OK, I'll give ya the holding call last week because it was a legit call, but this week was ridiculous. Ernie Conwell makes a catch and is obviously down on the ground with a defender on him. You think, play is over and the Saints are gonna kick a FG to tie the game up. Instead, the Rams safety runs over pulls the ball out of Conwell's hands and runs it back for a TD to seal the game up. The refs made a pathetic call when they didn't blow the whistle.
Gameball definelty goes to the Philly D.. wow.
Lameball? How about Jamal Lewis. 34 rushing yards is just plain unnacceptable, and if you want a reason why the Ravens are struggling, look no further than the lack of a running game being provided by Jamal.
Tomlinson only had 7 rushing yards, and his TD streak was snapped.Yeah, he's overrated. Best runner in the league? Seven yards against a weak run defence? And how are those Chargers' quest to winning the AFC West? All laughable at best.
Philadelphia will not be able to stop the Broncos' running next week.
KB in Kelowna
10-24-05, 10:38 PM
Philadelphia will not be able to stop the Broncos' running next week.
Ah but will the Eagles' offence exploit the Bronco secondary like the Giants did?
J.R. you can't seriously be saying that LT isn't the best RB in the league. He had NO holes at all in the Philly game.. his O-line was pathetic at best.
LT is the PEyton Manning of RB's for the time being.. no one is even in his league. One bad game is all that is, one bad game.
leaferfan87
10-24-05, 10:49 PM
JR, there is no way that LT is overrated. The guy is one of the valued pieces of the Chargers. He can run and he is an excellent receiver.
As for 17 carries for 7 yards I was in such disbelief that the very reason I didn't give the game ball to the Eagles D was that I wasn't sure if the information was accurate.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
10-24-05, 11:20 PM
Yeah, he's overrated. Best runner in the league? Seven yards against a weak run defence? And how are those Chargers' quest to winning the AFC West? All laughable at best.
Philadelphia will not be able to stop the Broncos' running next week.
LT is far from overrated. He started his career with 5889 rushing yards in 4 years. That's pretty good. Also add in the fact that he is probably the best recieving RB in the game and you have at least a top 3 RB. Now let me run off some TD numbers for ya.....10,15,17,18, and he already has 11 this year. This guy is easily the best in the league. And by the way, he does all the little stuff that no one really looks at, like block, hold on to the ball, and can throw the occasional pass.
Now, since you want to talk about the Broncos winning the AFC West. The Broncos have started 5-1 for the past couple seasons I believe, and they have finished with a wildcard skid in the second half of the last two seasons. I have no reason to believe that this year will be different. The Broncos will have some tough games in KC, San Diego, Dallas, and Buffalo. San Diego on the other hand, play 5 more home games and the road games don't look too threatening with the exception of the Colts and the Chiefs.
Well, you think that Tomlinson is overrated, so there is really no argueing with you about the Eagles stopping the Denver run game. You won't be able to see the excellent job that the Eagles did while you wear those orange crush sunglasses. Watch the highlights, on just about every run play, the Eagles are in the backfield ready to hit Tomlinson. And they were very disciplined in staying in thier gaps. If they do that against Denver, then I have no doubt that the Broncos run game will be shut down. With no running game to support him, Plummer will look like his old self throwing blind passes to the other team.
Ah but will the Eagles' offence exploit the Bronco secondary like the Giants did?
That may be true. Despite how great the names (Bailey, Lynch, Williams) are back there, they can't cover or make tackles consistantly. It's frustrating for Bronco Nation.
JR, there is no way that LT is overrated. The guy is one of the valued pieces of the Chargers. He can run and he is an excellent receiver.He's definitely good playing bad teams. Or playing at home. Then he plays in Denver or Philadelphia and all of a sudden this running back from heaven looks out of place.
This guy is easily the best in the league. And by the way, he does all the little stuff that no one really looks at, like block, hold on to the ball, and can throw the occasional pass.Against Oakland. Bravo. :rolleyes: Sorry, no game ball for your boy LT.
The Broncos will have some tough games in KC, San Diego, Dallas, and Buffalo. San Diego on the other hand, play 5 more home games and the road games don't look too threatening with the exception of the Colts and the Chiefs.Schedule-Shmedual.
Sure keep talking about the Broncos collapses in the last couple years. Who was injured and didn't start those games that they lost to slide into a Wild Card spot? Jake Plummer. If the Broncos' quarterback and leader remains healthy, this division title will be in the trophy case by week 15 in Buffalo (a game that I'll be at).
Watch the highlights, on just about every run play, the Eagles are in the backfield ready to hit Tomlinson. And they were very disciplined in staying in thier gaps. If they do that against Denver, then I have no doubt that the Broncos run game will be shut down.Please don't try to compare the Chargers' system to the Broncos' running machine. Totally different. If the Eagles plan on doing the same thing for this game against Denver, then they will have Tatum Bell and/or Mike Anderson and/or Ron Dayne running 150+ yards down their throats.
To do:
Week two - Beat defending AFC West winner. Check.
Week six - Beat defending Super Bowl champion. Check.
Week eight - Beat defending National Football Conference champion.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
10-25-05, 10:35 AM
I know how the Broncos running system works. It's zone blocking, the same zone blocking that Alex Gibbs installed in the Atlanta Falcons last year. In the conference game last year, they were shut down because of the Eagles' discipline and gap control. Warrick Dunn had 59 yards on 15 carries, that's not good. T.J. Duckett had 14 yards on 7 carries, that's awful. And Micheal Vick, a much better scrambler than Plummer, was drug down for 4 sacks and only accumulated 26 rushing yards. I analyzed the NFC Conference game because that Monday Night Game was a complete joke with Trotter being thrown out.
What happened, LiAmTrAnSdEmOn? :laughing: Philadelphia will not be able to stop the Broncos' running next week.Aw, yes. It is tough being right about everything. :nod:
Not only that, they also weren't able to stop the passing and receiving of the Broncos. Just about every offensive facet of the game, Denver shoved down the Eagles' throats. Do you enjoy crow? I hope you do.
Here's an interesting little piece of information for all you Bronco doubters out there (which is probably everyone, but me at HS):
The Denver Broncos' running combination of Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell is the greatest duo in the National Football League. Yes, better than Holmes and Johnson. Far better than Tomlinson and uh, who? Everyone.
Beatdown. Beatdown. Beatdown.
Philadelphia 21 - 49 Denver.
:D :D :D
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
10-30-05, 8:21 PM
It's funny how you took 5 days to write out that very elaborate post. You had nothing to say until you saw the game. You forgot to post your "bash Brett Favre" post in the "Best QB Ever" thread after today's game.
Game ball has to go to the Giants. On the week that Wellington Mara has passed away, they came out firing. Dropped 35 points on a very good Washington defense and shut down the 2nd ranked offense in the league. Barber had 206 rushing yards and a TD. Very well played game in remembrance of a Giants icon.
Lame ball goes to the horrible play of the Eagles. They were just awful. After shutting down the BEST RB in the league, the Eagles come out and put forth one of the worst efforts I have seen from them in a while. Just complete domination by the Broncos. Pathetic.
It's funny how you took 5 days to write out that very elaborate post. You had nothing to say until you saw the game.I said that the Broncos would run all over the Eagles. I then waited to see it happen. Then after the game I posted that I was absolutely correct. What's wrong with that? I was right. You were wrong.
the BEST RB in the leagueUh, huh? Let's simply compare how running backs have done against the defending NFC Champion Philadelphia Eagles in the past two weeks.
Week seven.
L. Tomlinson: 17 carries for 7 yards (0.4 yard avg.), 0 touchdowns.
Week eight.
M. Anderson: 21 carries for 126 yards (6.0 yard avg.), 1 touchdown.
T. Bell: 14 carries for 107 yards (7.6 yard avg.), 2 touchdowns.
Case closed. :thumb:
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
10-30-05, 9:38 PM
Oh, you think that Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell are better than Tomlinson. I thought I would give you more credit than that JR. There is no one in the league as good as LT, just accept it. This unobjective, horribly bias way you look at things is getting a little old.
The problem with what you did was make a blind prediction. You gave no stats or anything to back up your prediction. You just made it in your blind Broncos faith. You made no attempt to try and prove me wrong, you just watched the game and said to yourself, "Ha, that silly LiAmTrAnSdEmOn, doesn't he know that the Broncos are the best team ever, and can not be stopped. I tried to tell him."
Oh, you think that Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell are better than Tomlinson.Never said that.
I was simply comparing two underrated running backs to one grossly overrated running back, and how each perform against the same team.
By the way, how did he do against a weak Chiefs' defence today? How about 17 carries for 69 yards (4.1 yard avg.), 0 touchdowns? All of a sudden the "greatest running back in the NFL" can't even run at home. Oh dear!
Week two against Kansas City.
M. Anderson: 20 carries for 98 yards (4.9 yard avg.), 1 touchdown.
The problem with what you did was make a blind prediction. You gave no stats or anything to back up your prediction.If the Eagles plan on doing the same thing for this game against Denver, then they will have Tatum Bell and/or Mike Anderson and/or Ron Dayne running 150+ yards down their throats.http://www.hockeystation.com/showpost.php?p=25277&postcount=51
Sorry, even I underrated the Broncos' great running game. They finished with 233 yards.
Here's another "blind faith" prediction: The Broncos will have a bye in week nine. I'll let you know next Sunday if I'm correct again.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
10-30-05, 10:32 PM
Can you tell me if the Eagles were disciplined and stayed in thier gaps today??? I didn't think they did. I said that if that happened, the Eagles would shutdown the Denver run game, but that didn't happen, hence the horrible performance. And once again, you gave no stats no back up your prediction. When you said 150 yards, that was your prediction. When I threw stats out, you ran and waited for the game Sunday. If the Broncos lost today, I very much doubt you would have even been posting today.
OK, let's get to the bottom of this, what makes LaDainian Tomlinson so overrated??? Please explain this to me. And I know I'm not the only one that wants to know this.
As for your RBs being underrated, all I have to say is.....ARE YOU F'IN CRAZY!!!!!!!!!! If anything any RB that plays in Denver is overrated. That system pumps out 1000 yard backs every year and the credit constantly goes to the RB. It's insane, how good is Olandis Gary doin??? Oh that's right, he probably a 3rd stringer right now. How about Clinton Portis??? 3.8 yards a carry last year, that's terrible. Reuben Droughns does nothing until he gets a chance in Denver and does great. Now how exactly is he doin in Cleveland??? He doesn't even have a TD yet. Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson may look good now, but once they get greedy and look elsewhere for money, they'll suck.
When I threw stats out, you ran and waited for the game Sunday.I talked the talk, then I let the Denver Broncos walk the walk. Now they're 6-2 and still in first place in the NFL's toughest division.
If the Broncos lost today, I very much doubt you would have even been posting today.I posted when they lost to Miami in week one and when they lost to the New York Giants in week seven, I don't think today would be any different. I can accept losing.
OK, let's get to the bottom of this, what makes LaDainian Tomlinson so overrated??? Please explain this to me. And I know I'm not the only one that wants to know this.The majority of "football fans" says he is the best, yet I don't know why. He doesn't perform up to the level of hype that people create for him. Sure he can both get outside and run with speed, and go up the middle with power, but so can 15 other running backs. You wanted statistics, so I have been throwing statistics at you. He's been below average this season, yet he's still considered the greatest. :rolleyes: How does that work? Too many people have been slurping that San Diego salt water.
As for your RBs being underrated, all I have to say is.....ARE YOU F'IN CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!Look at the statistics. Now look at the hype. They over perform as to what's expected of them, therefore they're underrated.
Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson may look good now, but once they get greedy and look elsewhere for money, they'll suck.I wouldn't care. The Broncos would just put in another running back that no one wants and he'll run for 1000+ yards. If the system makes the running back great, then so be it.
LT in rushing yards - 4th
LT in recieving yards - 6th
LT in TD's (rushing) - 2nd
LT in recieving yards - 5th
LT in recieving TD's - 7th
May not be in 1st in anything, but if you combine it all..
LT in total yards - 2nd (only behind Edge)
LT in total TD's - 1st
So, he's 2nd in total yards, 1st in TD's.. looks like the best RB in the game to me.
As for the balls of week 8 (:thumb)
Game ball has to go to Tiki Barber. There's a lot of people on the NYG who really stood up and showed what they were made of, but it's not every day in 3 quarters you see a back get over 200 yards and a TD. Class act all the way as well.
Lame ball can be dropped onto Favre for obvious reasons.
Game balls to the G-Men. Not often you see a team dominate on both sides of the ball plus special teams. My hat is off to you. :)
Lame Balls - Washington Redskins :mad:
I wouldn't care. The Broncos would just put in another running back that no one wants and he'll run for 1000+ yards. If the system makes the running back great, then so be it.Imagine LT in that system? 2000+ yards rushing, hell he might even throw more TD's then the QB ;)
Oh and btw, even though I used LT for Tomlinson, there will only ever be one LT. I think we all know who I am referring to.
I would hope football fans know who the real L.T. is and that's the reason I don't use his initials to refer to Tomlinson.
As for Jake Plummer, I know you're only kidding, but I'd like to point out that he did throw a Bronco record 27 touchdowns in 2004 and is currently third in the AFC this season with 12.
Game ball goes to the entire Broncos team, minus their defensive backs, for the 49-21 beatdown they gave the Philadelphia Eagles. The secondary still sucks. Champ Bailey was awful on Terrell Owens' long touchdown reception.
Lame ball also goes to the Washington Redskins. Sorry, Amo. I watched most of their game and thought they weren't even there from the opening kickoff. That's no good for an important intradivisional game.
Former Eagle, Ron Jaworski, knows where it's at - finally someone in the national media has taken notice of the Denver Broncos.
Here are a few of his points that he made on Pardon the Interuption:
- The Broncos are Super Bowl contenders.
- Jake Plummer has changed his ways and is a league M.V.P. candidate.
- San Diego is good, but not good enough to catch Denver in the AFC West.
Thanks Jaws for the dap. It's as refreshing as the Mile High air to hear about a team other than the Patriots, Steelers, Colts or not-so-super-Chargers competing for the AFC Championship.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
10-31-05, 8:09 PM
The Broncos RBs do not outperform the hype. Every year it's the same thing. New RB, 1000 yards. Everyone knows it's coming and they know that the RBs aren't the reason for output, it's the O-line and system. You said it yourself, "The Broncos would just put in another running back that no one wants and he'll run for 1000+ yards." This proves thata the RB isn't good, the O-line and system is good and everyone gives them the creidt they deserve.
You say you threw out stats. You gave stats to two games. One game where the Eagles defense played magnificently, the other game the defense looked like a pee wee team. PDO threw out stats, I threw out stats. You compared 2 different games. I can do that and Doug Williams looks lightyears better than John Elway. BTW, who do you think is better than LT???
The Broncos RBs do not outperform the hype. Every year it's the same thing. New RB, 1000 yards.Are you jealous?
Everyone knows it's coming and they know that the RBs aren't the reason for output, it's the O-line and system.Why did so many people say the end of the Broncos' running game was when Davis retired? When Portis was traded? When Droughns was traded? Again, if the running system makes the runner great, then so be it, the runner is great. Now deal with it.
You say you threw out stats. You gave stats to two games.Uh, stats are stats. I don't see where you're going with this.
One game where the Eagles defense played magnificently, the other game the defense looked like a pee wee team.Who made them look like a "pee week team?" None other than the second best team in the NFL, the Denver Broncos.
PDO threw out stats, I threw out stats.I also threw out stats.
You compared 2 different games. I can do that and Doug Williams looks lightyears better than John Elway.Ha-ha-ha.
BTW, who do you think is better than LT???No one!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/jrthesportsczar/21054c00.jpg
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
10-31-05, 10:41 PM
Oh, I'm sorry. No one has ever refered to LaDainian Tomlinson as LT. How silly do I feel??? Who do you think is better than LaDainian Tomlinson??? That was a pretty clever way to avoid my question though.
And no, I'm not jealous of the Broncos RB system. Oh, what was I thinking I have to spell out everything for you, JR, just so you don't get confused. No, I'm not jealous of the Broncos running back system.
And for some reason you don't recognize the fact that the system is great and not the running back. The system makes the running back. They go somewhere else and suck. The runner isn't great, they just happen to be in a great system. How come everyone else can see this reality but you???
Who do you think is better than LaDainian Tomlinson???
Shaun Alexander.
Jamal Lewis, although this has been a bad season for him.
And for some reason you don't recognize the fact that the system is great and not the running back. The system makes the running back. They go somewhere else and suck.I know that. Portis sucks. Gary sucks. Droughns sucks. Hey, if that sucky Brian Westbrook ever became a Bronco, he could be great too.
The runner isn't great, they just happen to be in a great system. How come everyone else can see this reality but you???I can see it. While in Denver, they're great. That's what I'm saying. There's no way in hell I would think that Olandis Gary is currently great. Hehehe.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
10-31-05, 11:26 PM
Then they are not underrated. Everyone knows that if you start behind that Denver line that they will gain 1000+ rushing yards. They get just the amount of credit that they deserve.
Nice cheap shot against Westbrook. Dig the knife a little deeper and I just may get offended enough to defend him.
Shaun Alexander is the only guy that I think can be argued. Lewis has been dreadful since he rushed for 2066 yards in a season.
But let's compare Alexander and Tomlinson. From Tomlinson's rookie year up till this year. Alexander has 6400 rushing yards, Tomlinson has 6627. Receiving: Alexander, 180 receptions for 1341 yards. Tomlinson, 316 receptions for 2240 yards. TDs: Alexander hs 82 TDs, while Tomlinson has 71. Tomlinson can even pass with 4 of his 5 career completions going for TDs. One funny thing is that Tomlinson has thrown 3 TD passes this year, that is just as many as the Jets QBs have thrown. Tomlinson has lost 10 fumbles in this time while Alexander has lost 13. And Tomlinson does all this in what you proclaim to be the toughest division in football and for the most part on a bad team. Alexander has done this on a Seattle team with a very good O-line, QB, and WRs in the worst division in football over the past 5 years. There is no one in football close to Tomlinson.
Guys, I don't want to have to close this thread; it's an awesome thread, so be careful with raising your tempers. Lots of good dicussion to be had, let's not ruin it for ourselves ;)
Leafs_Fa_Life
10-31-05, 11:30 PM
Shaun Alexander.
Jamal Lewis, although this has been a bad season for him.
Alexander plays behind one of the best lines in football. Tomlinson has a line with two second year players and a LG who went undrafted and only has 3 years experience, yet he continues to put up huge numbers.
Lewis:conspire: I like him, but he's not a complete running back. Tomlinson's solid in the passing game and has even had a 100 reception season.
This is going to get awfully boring now that this discussion is no longer mostly about football's second best team.
Then they are not underrated. Everyone knows that if you start behind that Denver line that they will gain 1000+ rushing yards. They get just the amount of credit that they deserve.Hardly. Usually the only time I hear about the Broncos' on a national scale is when people are bashing Mike Shanahan for drafting Maurice Clarett, signing Jerry Rice and Todd Sauerbrun. Blah, blah, blah. Denver isn't hyped by the media.
Nice cheap shot against Westbrook. Dig the knife a little deeper and I just may get offended enough to defend him.Cheap shot? It's common knowledge that he, or any other Philadelphia Eagle for that matter, cannot run the ball.
But let's compare Alexander and Tomlinson. From Tomlinson's rookie year up till this year.Nice skewing of the numbers there. I'll choose not to even read any further numbers.
...for the most part on a bad team.According to you, this "bad team" is winning the AFC West.
Alexander has done this on a Seattle team with a very good O-line, QB, and WRs in the worst division in football over the past 5 years."Very good" quarterback? Whaa, Matt Hasselbeck? And I don't think Seattle has "very good" receivers either. St. Louis has been good. San Francisco hasn't been bad for all five years. Arizona has been.
he continues to put up huge numbers.He had seven yards against Philadelphia last week and 69 yards against Kansas City this week. Those are not huge numbers. Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson have put up huge numbers against those teams. See here (http://www.hockeystation.com/showpost.php?p=25876&postcount=55) and here (http://www.hockeystation.com/showpost.php?p=25876&postcount=57). Running backs are capable of running all over these teams, yet the so-called best, cannot. Hmm.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
11-01-05, 12:32 AM
You read no further yet don't realize that Alexander had his rookie year 1 year before Tomlinson's. It would have been pointless to include that year where he barely did anything.
The NFC West may not have been the worst division, record wise, but look at the defenses. They all suck.
And yes, Matt Hasselbeck went to a Pro Bowl, as did I think 3 of their O-linemen and Darrell Jackson. Koren Robinson also wasn't bad when he wasn't smoking pot and droppin balls.
And yes, the Chargers were a bad team before last year. I believe they were so bad they won the 1st pick in the draft. And wasn't Tomlinson the 2nd pick of his draft??? Before last year, the Chargers were a bad team. Then Drew Brees pulled himself together, Antonio Gates came along and the defense stepped up their play.
I don't believe you said that Westbrook couldn't run the ball, you said he was sucky. That's just not true. He can run the ball, the Eagles just don't do it. Why??? I don't know but they don't. And Westbrook isn't asked to just pick up rush yardage, he is probably the 2nd best pass catching RB. 2nd of course only to Tomlinson.
How about a lame ball out to Mike Vick, who thinks that 1 game where he manages to have a (whopping) 60% completion percentage and throw for 200 yards and ONE TD means he's an amazing pocket passer?
Gameball? Brad Johnson of the Vikings. Comes into a game replacing Culpepper for a team that has looked like something you'd find in a toilet more often than not this year and gets his team the win while throwing 2 TD passes.
Leafs_Fa_Life
11-14-05, 6:18 PM
Game Balls
Chris Simms - I thought the Redskin defense would take the youngster to school, but he answers back with the best game of his young career. Tampa was able to move the ball fairly easily against Washington, and gotta give Gruden credit for going for two and the win with less than a minute to go.
Samkon Gado - He rushed for over 100 yards against he Falcons yesterday, and the young man has 4 TDs in two weeks. He's come in and given the Packer offense some balance. Just in time for a Monday Nighter against the Vikes.
Shaun Alexander - 3 TDs and well over 100 yards this week against the Rams. He's making a strong case for league MVP.
Lame Balls
Jamal Lewis - Hasn't had a 100 yard rushing game yet this season, is only averaging 3 yards/carry, and this weekend failed to get to 50 yards for the fifth time this season. I love the guy, but in a contract year he's done nothing to justify big money this offseason.
Trent Green - The usually reliable Green had a horrible game against the Bills yesterday. He threw 3 picks and no touchdowns on the day.
Eli Manning - The kid has been great this season for the G-Men, but he threw 4 picks yesterday against a solid Vikings secondary.
THE HACK
11-14-05, 7:29 PM
Game ball goes to Darren Sharper of the Vikings for his 3 interceptions yesterday.:nod:
Lame ball goes to the refs in the Redskins vs Bucs game in which the official called a 2 point conversion by Alstot successful when he didn't break the plain with the ball.This call cost the Redskins the game!
Cheers
Game Balls
Shaun Alexander - 3 TDs and well over 100 yards this week against the Rams. He's making a strong case for league MVP.Yep, the best running back in the league and Jake Plummer will be battling it out for the MVP award in the final seven weeks. I hope LaDainian "I have a girly sounding name" Tomlinson had a good bye week, racking up 0 yards and falling another game behind Denver. :laughing:
Game ball - How about the entire NFC North? The undisputed worst division in football had all four of its teams winning yesterday. Yes, the Bears, Lions, Vikings and Packers all got victories. It must have been a long time since that last happened. And it's my boy, Kyle Orton, from the Purdue Boilermakers leading Chicago to the division title.
Lame ball - Easy. Giants. I have said it before and I'll say it again, any team that loses to the Love Boat gang automatically gets a lame ball.
Game ball goes to Darren Sharper of the Vikings for his 3 interceptions yesterday.:nod:
Lame ball goes to the refs in the Redskins vs Bucs game in which the official called a 2 point conversion by Alstot successful when he didn't break the plain with the ball.This call cost the Redskins the game!
CheersDon't get me started!
Game Ball: Chris Simms became a Man on Sunday.
Lame Ball: Redskins D. No way in hell should a D thats as good as the Redskins allow a rook to light them up for 36 points!!
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
11-15-05, 12:06 PM
Yep, the best running back in the league and Jake Plummer will be battling it out for the MVP award in the final seven weeks. I hope LaDainian "I have a girly sounding name" Tomlinson had a good bye week, racking up 0 yards and falling another game behind Denver. :laughing:
Game ball - How about the entire NFC North? The undisputed worst division in football had all four of its teams winning yesterday. Yes, the Bears, Lions, Vikings and Packers all got victories. It must have been a long time since that last happened. And it's my boy, Kyle Orton, from the Purdue Boilermakers leading Chicago to the division title.
Lame ball - Easy. Giants. I have said it before and I'll say it again, any team that loses to the Love Boat gang automatically gets a lame ball.
Here we go again.:rolleyes: Last time I made a post about this you ran and hid. Now that Alexander has a good game against the RAMS, you come back out bashing Tomlinson. And "girly sounding name"??? You're losing a lot of credibility JR.
And just to let you know, Plummer is not the leading QB MVP right now. That belongs to Carson "I'm better than Jake Plummer" Palmer.
Game ball-Even though I don't think Alexander is the best RB in the league I have to give it to him for his record of 15 TDs in 5 straight seasons. He better keep on doing this though cause Tomlinson will take this record as soon as Alexander misses a beat.
Lame ball-McNabb needs his surgery, I'll just leave it at that.
I need to give an Ouch ball for this week. Can I do that??? Oh well, I'm doin it anyway. Cedric Benson had his knee bent in completely sideways and was flush against his thigh. OMG that looked like it hurt. He's out 3-6 weeks now.
Keep drinking the Haterade, LiAm. Denver will just continue to prove you wrong.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
11-15-05, 6:39 PM
Keep drinking the Haterade, LiAm. Denver will just continue to prove you wrong.
What Haterade??? Care to elaborate on how Denver will prove me wrong. Until they have the division locked up, my prediction stands. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It happens every once in a while.
THE HACK
11-15-05, 7:40 PM
Don't get me started!
Game Ball: Chris Simms became a Man on Sunday.
Lame Ball: Redskins D. No way in hell should a D thats as good as the Redskins allow a rook to light them up for 36 points!!
As much as I hate the Redskins I hate to see a team lose that way,its just not right!
Think I'll throw another gameball and this one goes to my boy Roy Williams for that interception return for a touchdown and a great come from behind victory for my Cowboys.:nod: It was funny to see some Eagles fans bring a coffin to the game and put a Terrell Owens jersey in there,hope there's room to put the Eagles team in there too now and nail the coffin shut!:laughing:
Cheers
What Haterade???Jake Plummer keeps winning with perfection and the Broncos' running game keeps rolling, yet you fail to give them any credit and continue to bash away.
Care to elaborate on how Denver will prove me wrong.For starters, you said Denver wasn't going to be able to run against Philadelphia's great run defence. You know, that defence that stopped the overrated Tomlinson. How did that turn out when they faced football's best running tandem?
Also your prediction about the AFC West winner will be wrong. I could have told you that in the pre-season. Are you feeling the heat now that the season is past the half way point and you're realizing that *GASP* the Broncos may be for real?
Anyways I don't really care anymore about what you doubters say. I'll let the NFL's second best team continue to do the winning on the field.
:D
Lame Ball: Redskins D. No way in hell should a D thats as good as the Redskins allow a rook to light them up for 36 points!!What was with the maroon jerseys? Especially wearing those on the road, it's no doubt that they lost. It was the first time all season that the Redskins didn't wear their familiar Sunday white.
Just curious though, which jersey do you prefer?
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
11-15-05, 9:10 PM
Jake Plummer keeps winning with perfection and the Broncos' running game keeps rolling, yet you fail to give them any credit and continue to bash away.
For starters, you said Denver wasn't going to be able to run against Philadelphia's great run defence. You know, that defence that stopped the overrated Tomlinson. How did that turn out when they faced football's best running tandem?
Also your prediction about the AFC West winner will be wrong. I could have told you that in the pre-season. Are you feeling the heat now that the season is past the half way point and you're realizing that *GASP* the Broncos may be for real?
Anyways I don't really care anymore about what you doubters say. I'll let the NFL's second best team continue to do the winning on the field.
:D
Um...nowhere did I bash Jake Plummer. I simply stated that Carson Palmer is having a better year and is ahead of Plummer in the MVP race.
Nowhere did I say that the Eagles would shut down the Broncos run game. I said that if they played the way they did the week before they could shut it down. They didn't play as well so the Broncos ran all over 'em.
And yes, I am feeling the heat. Oh God what shall I do if the Broncos win the division and prove one of my preseason predictions wrong. Woe is me.:cry:
Um...nowhere did I bash Jake Plummer. I simply stated that Carson Palmer is having a better year and is ahead of Plummer in the MVP race.
Nowhere did I say that the Eagles would shut down the Broncos run game. I said that if they played the way they did the week before they could shut it down. They didn't play as well so the Broncos ran all over 'em.
And yes, I am feeling the heat. Oh God what shall I do if the Broncos win the division and prove one of my preseason predictions wrong. Woe is me.:cry: :no:
It's kind of funny what people resort to when their favourite football team is sucking it up on the field.
1) Denver Broncos: 7-2.
2) Kansas City Chiefs: 5-4.
3) San Diego Chargers: 5-4.
4) Oakland Raiders: 3-6.
:boogie:
Interestingly enough, the Broncos have had the greatest strength of victory (.524) in the entire AFC and are the only team in that conference with one loss in an intraconference game. And if the playoffs started today, they'd have a first round bye.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
11-15-05, 11:30 PM
:no:
It's kind of funny what people resort to when their favourite football team is sucking it up on the field.
1) Denver Broncos: 7-2.
2) Kansas City Chiefs: 5-4.
3) San Diego Chargers: 5-4.
4) Oakland Raiders: 3-6.
:boogie:
Interestingly enough, the Broncos have had the greatest strength of victory (.524) in the entire AFC and are the only team in that conference with one loss in an intraconference game. And if the playoffs started today, they'd have a first round bye.
What does the Eagles playing bad have anything to do with what I said???
What was with the maroon jerseys? Especially wearing those on the road, it's no doubt that they lost. It was the first time all season that the Redskins didn't wear their familiar Sunday white.
Just curious though, which jersey do you prefer?I prefer the white.
KB in Kelowna
11-16-05, 9:37 PM
It's kind of funny what people resort to when their favourite football team is sucking it up on the field.
Yea I saw the same thing happen with a certain Mets fan during the baseball season :rolleyes:
Leafs_Fa_Life
12-19-05, 1:08 AM
Game Ball - The San Diego Chargers (like I predicted) ended the undefeated season of the Colts today. If it wasn't for some turnovers in the second half that gave Indy some short fields to work with, this one could've been a blowout.
Lame Ball - Kyle Orton went 2 for 10. He was replaced by Rex Grossman in the second half who went 9 for 16 and, for the sake of the Bears playoff hopes, will probably lead Chicago into the playoffs.
Game Ball: Phillip Daniels, 4 sacks in a huge game vs the hated Boys :D
Lame Ball: Detroit ownership, wrong guy was fired, NUFF SAID!!
Game ball - Tiki Barber - team record and NFL season high 220 rushing yards vs. KC and Saturday behind a injury riddled offensive line :pimp:
Lame ball - Indianapolis Colts - on a 1-game losing streak.
Game Ball - The San Diego Chargers (like I predicted) ended the undefeated season of the Colts today.No thanks to LaDainian Tomlinson, who supposedly can do 'everything' for the San Diego "not-so super" Chargers.
Let's see...
Rushing: 24 attempts for 76 yards (3.2 avg.), Receiving: 4 receptions for 9 yards (2.2 avg), Passing: 0 attempts for 0 yards. :conspire:
Game Ball - The Denver Broncos. I finally got to watch my beloved Broncos in person. It was chilly at Orchard Park, but three layers kept me reasonably comfortble. That was such a thrill to see them clinch in a playoff spot in a game that started off so poorly. Maybe they're finally turning into a second half team, which would be great for the postseason.
Lame Ball - Chad Johnson. No endzone celebration in front of a friendly, pro-Bengal crowd at Ford Field. Booooo!
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
12-19-05, 2:16 PM
JR, Tomlinson was in front of the second best defense in the NFL. I'm sorry he doesn't play in the crappiest division in the league like Alexander, instead he plays in probably the toughest division and still puts upthe numbers that proves ge is better. You can't accept the fact that he is the best because you are so bias towards your precious Broncos it makes me sick.
Game ball-Ryan Moats fills in for Westbrook for 2 games and does great. Combined 192 rushing yards on 23 carries(8.4 average) and 3 TDs.
Lame ball-Goes to Oakland for losing to Cleveland. I mean, it's the Cleveland Browns.
Until they have the division locked up, my prediction stands.The division is now locked up, thanks to an awful performance by the San Diego not-so-super Chargers. For the second week in a row, LaDainian Tomlinson sucked it up rushing for less than 50 yards and no touchdowns again. Wow, it's like someone said he was overrated. :thumb: No playoffs for Tijuana North. So in the words of Ron Burgundy, "Go f*ck yourself, San Diego."
Denver is a win away from clinching the number two seed in the AFC, which includes that huge first round bye. :nod:
Leafs_Fa_Life
12-24-05, 5:58 PM
Yeah, and even with his struggles the past 3 weeks he still has 1300+ yards on the season. The guy is so overrated:rolleyes: You're a Bronco fan, so I can understand your hatred for Tomlinson, but everybody else can see that this guy is the best running back in football. He's a more complete back than Alexander, he runs behind a far worse line, and his team has had the hardest schedule in football this year.
Yeah, and even with his struggles the past 3 weeks he still has 1300+ yards on the season. The guy is so overrated:rolleyes: You're a Bronco fan, so I can understand your hatred for Tomlinson, but everybody else can see that this guy is the best running back in football. He's a more complete back than Alexander, he runs behind a far worse line, and his team has had the hardest schedule in football this year. Ah yes, embarrassment and jealousy. You can also keep drinking the Haterade, Leafs_Fa_Life. Denver will just continue to prove you wrong too.
You want "complete", how about Alexander running and catching a touchdown against the Colts today? Last week, Tomlinson didn't do either. And at the end of the day, there's no playoffs for the grossly overrated choke artist.
http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20051224/lt_62332.jpg
I also realized something after week 16:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/jrthesportsczar/AFCWestcoaches.png
The Broncos gallop into the playoffs as the number two seed.
http://cache.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/homepage_artwork/Store%20Ads/2005/1205_afc_west_champs.jpg (http://cache.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/homepage_artwork/Store%20Ads/2005/1205_afc_west_champs.jpg)
Leafs_Fa_Life
12-24-05, 11:22 PM
Ah yes, embarrassment and jealousy. You can also keep drinking the Haterade, Leafs_Fa_Life. Denver will just continue to prove you wrong too.
What Haterade. I think Denver is a solid team. It just pisses me off that you rip on teams like San Diego and Kansas City, when both are quality clubs, and the fact that you've never had a solid argument as to why either club is so bad.
You want "complete", how about Alexander running and catching a touchdown against the Colts today? Last week, Tomlinson didn't do either. And at the end of the day, there's no playoffs for the grossly overrated choke artist.
This is your problem. You just wait till a week comes up where the stats work in your favour before you start to post, and then you'll go back into hiding for another couple of weeks. For a back in a west coast offense, Alexander's receiving statistics have been horrible this year. Alexander doesn't even have 100 yards receiving on the season, and today's TD reception was his first on the year. LT in an off year still has over 350 yards receiving on the season. Also, name one other halfback in the game today that has a 100 reception season under their belt? After LT I don't think there is one. Before Gates came along he was also the Chargers entire passing game. Why don't you look at the whole picture for once, instead of picking your spots and being selective.
I also realized something after week 16:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/jrthesportsczar/AFCWestcoaches.png
Ah yes, more bias, slanted, subjective comparisions from J.R. (like in the QB thread earlier this season). Mike Shannahan a genius:confused: Maybe when he can win a playoff game without John Elway and Terrell Davis.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
12-25-05, 12:40 AM
Funny little pics there, and I couldn't help laughing at the coaches one. That "crybaby" is a much better coach than Shanahan will ever be. You can come back with your 1-2 rings arguement if you want, but Shanny needed Elway, Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith, and a good defense to get his team there. Vermeil built his team with his guys and coached them to a Superbowl win, and didn't ride his HOF players to it.
Once again, Chargers play in the toughest division in football, while Alexander plays in the weakest one. LT puts up great numbers rushing and receiving every year, whereas Alexander can only use his line to pick up the rushing yardage. As LFL said, he is horrible at catching the ball. He is in a West Coast offense and only has 15 catches on the season. He can only be relied on once a game in the passing department. Luckily for him, he runs behind one of the best lines in football.
Put LT in Seattle.. 6.0 YPC. Easily. Probably pushes 40 TD's on the season as well. LT may just play behind one of the worst o-lines in the league. He actually makes his O-line look good. That is disguisting. He is the only player I've ever seen make an O-line look good. Just think about that for a second. One player being so good, he's making five other players look good.
These excuses are so lame.
After 16 weeks:
1. Shaun Alexander, SEA - 1807 yards on 350 carries. 5.2 YPC, 26 TDs. Long = 88 yards.
8. LaDainian Tomlinson, SD - 1372 yards on 321 carries. 4.3 YPC, 17 TDs. Long = 62 yards.
It's not even close. Tomlinson isn't as good as you people are making him out to be, therefore he's overrated. He has sucked in the biggest games this season, while so many other runningbacks have elevated their performances. I would not want this glorified choke artist on my team. Also it's funny how someone like Atlanta's Warrick Dunn has more yards on less carries. And where's the Chargers' division title that he was suppose to deliver? Hint look one mile higher than San Diego.
JR.. it's a team game. LT got his yards with an O-line who had a starter that was an UNDRAFTED UNSIGNED Free Agent. Think about that for a second. There's a lot more to the game than numbers. Just watch LT play, and you'll see why he is easily the best RB in the league. He carries the ball a lot, and his O-line never A) pushes up or B) opens a hole. All the guy needs is a little hole and he is gone.
Also, calling him a choke artist for how he played this week is absolutely ridiculous. Did you see the condition of the field? I think the only RB in the league who could've ripped it up was Bettis - you simply can't move on a field that is that chewed up.
LT got his yards with an O-line who had a starter that was an UNDRAFTED UNSIGNED Free Agent. Think about that for a second.Broncos' wideout Rod Smith was undrafted and he's quite possibly a future Hall of Famer.
Just watch LT play, and you'll see why he is easily the best RB in the league. He carries the ball a lot, and his O-line never A) pushes up or B) opens a hole.Never? Seriously, no offensive line at any level of football is that bad/lazy.
All the guy needs is a little hole and he is gone.Sounds like Ron Dayne. ;)
Did you see the condition of the field?The RCA Dome turf in Indianapolis last weekend looked fine to me. :thumb:
ADD - How did Larry Johnson rack up 131 yards on that same field yesterday?
THE HACK
12-25-05, 4:18 PM
Game ball goes to Julius Jones with his 2 tds and 194 yds rushing against a solid Carolina Panthers defence,this is as good as it gets!:boogie:
Lame ball goes to no-one,its freakin Christmas so no lame ball this week!:)
Cheers
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
12-26-05, 1:37 AM
Yeah, Rod Smith is probably a future HOFer and he was undrafted, but that puts him in that .00001% of undrafted players to make the HOF. Please do not try to act like undrafted players are all capable of making the HOF and are quality players.
And while, PDO may have exaggerated on the ineptitude of LT's line, he wasn't that far. They get pushed around and if it wasn't for LT, they would all be out of jobs. Shaun Alexander runs behind one of the best offensive lines in the NFL, but you will probably ignore this and just post some more numbers without taking any of this into consideration. Next, you'll tell me Emmitt Smith was a better RB than Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, and Jim Brown.
Leafs_Fa_Life
12-26-05, 2:22 AM
On the topic of the San Diego O-line, I don't know if J.R. actually watched the game on Saturday, but KC was getting penetration all day long and killing plays in the Charger backfield. There's nothing a running back can do when he's getting cut down as soon as the ball is being put in his hand. Then you look at Alexander, he's playing behind argueably the best line in all of football. Walter Jones is the the best offensive linemen in the game, Steve Hutchinson is one of the elite guards in football, Robbie Tobeck is a 12 year vet and Pro Bowl quality player, Chris Gray is a 13 year vet that has been in the Seahawk system for 8 years now, and then there's Sean Locklear the lone youngster on this line, but he can learn on the job since Seattle runs everything left. So even though PDO was speaking in hyperbole, there is a HUGE difference between the lines that LT and Alexander play behind.
In the end, the great running back will be in the playoffs and win the MVP award, while the lame running back will not go to the playoffs and will not win the MVP award. Hard to argue with that.
I hope the one year wonder Chargers enjoy fishing in January, because they sure as hell won't be playing football. :D
Leafs_Fa_Life
12-28-05, 12:37 PM
In the end, the great running back will be in the playoffs and win the MVP award, while the lame running back will not go to the playoffs and will not win the MVP award. Hard to argue with that.
I hope the one year wonder Chargers enjoy fishing in January, because they sure as hell won't be playing football. :D
If any halfback wins the MVP, it should be Tiki Barber. Over 2100 yards from scrimmage. Without him the Giants would be lost.
If any halfback wins the MVP, it should be Tiki Barber. Over 2100 yards from scrimmage. Without him the Giants would be lost.
On the topic of MVP.. being it wont' go to a defensive player (sigh), there's only 3 horses in this race, really.
Manning, Palmer and Smith.
I think Manning is great - but he has a lot of weapons, and even other guys on his team who could make an MVP argument; so he should be scratched off the list.
That puts it between Palmer and Smith.. and I don't see how you can go wrong with either. I think Brady (never thought I'd say that) and Barber also deserve a lot of consideration.
Palmer - 3782 yards (2nd), 32 td's (1st), 101.4 Passer rating (3rd), 501 attempts (5th)
Brady - 4073 yards (1st), 25 td's (3rd), 93.0 Passer rating (6th), 522 attempts (3rd)
Smith - 1432 yards (1st), 11 td's (2nd), 94 receptions (3rd), 95.5 yards / game (4th), 20+ 20 (4th), 40+ 6 (6th)
Barber - pain in the ass to look up his stats because of how much he is thrown the ball ;)
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
12-29-05, 1:05 AM
What's insane is that Barber has contributed like 40% of the Giants offense or something ridiculous. Now that would be an MVP consideration, if the NFL actually gave out the award according to what MVP means. But since that doesn't happen, it'll go to another QB. Probably Manning because the media wants him to be the best ever, well only behind Mike Vick.
Game ball: Shaun Alexander - Sets the all-time NFL record for most touchdowns in a season with 28 and wins the NFL rushing title this season, which all but hands him the MVP trophy.
Lame ball: LaDainian Tomlinson - ZERO 100+ rushing yard games in the month of December and only ONE touchdown in the five games, which was against a Broncos team missing several key defenders in the last game.
:sign:
Alexander > Tomlinson.
Leafs_Fa_Life
1-02-06, 1:01 AM
In an "off year" Tomlinson had 20 TDs. He's really so deserving of a lame ball :rolleyes:
btw, are you ever gonna address the last post in the Week Three Discussion thread? :box: :laughing:
Game ball = Tiki Barber for notching his 2nd 200+ yard rushing performance in 3 weeks. Tiki's 1,860 yards on the ground, combined with 530 receiving yards gave him an NFL-best 2,390 total yards on the season. He stood head and shoulders above the rest this year, averaging an incredible 149.4 yards per game, beating out other highly-touted notables such as
Larry Johnson 130.8 YPG
Edgerrin James 122.9 YPG
Shaun Alexander 122.4 YPG
LaDainian Tomlinson 114.5 YPG
Watching Tiki Barber get better and better every season has been a real pleasure for Giant fans. He works extremely hard and it pays off.
Lame ball = Seattle for losing to Green Bay :)
By the way LFL and J.R. we're talking football here, and opinions vary.
Every discussion doesn't have to turn into an argument. Please remember that respect for fellow members is rule number one of this site. Thanks.
Leafs_Fa_Life
1-15-06, 6:38 PM
Game Balls - Todd Sauerbrun and Ben Roethlisberger!!! I don't think there's ever been a week where you could say the two of the most important hits of the weekend came from these two positions. Sauerbrun forced a huge fumble and Roethlisberger saved the game with his shoestring tackle on Nick Harper.
Lame Ball - Mike Vanderjagt. You choked when the game was on the line.
Maybe that steroid controversy when Sauerbrun was in Carolina is finally paying off. ;) Roethlisberger is a man's man; no doubt about that. I have so much respect for him.
Game ball - I have to give it to Ben Watson, Patriots' tightend. Although it didn't work out in his team's favour, I'm still amazed at what he did, not giving up on a play. He was on the opposite side of the field and about 40 yards behind Champ Bailly, but he decided to dig his cleats in and show what a football player does. That was impressive.
Lame ball - Vanderjagt definitely deserves one. I didn't like the officials in that PIT/IND game either. But the running backs this weekend have really been a disappointment. From Shaun Alexander going out early to Mike Anderson and Corey Dillon combining for less than 130 yards on 32 carries to Jerome Bettis fumbling the ball at the absolute wrong time, it's been a bad two days for the backs position.
leaferfan87
1-16-06, 3:31 PM
Game Ball- Steve Smith. Wow! This guy is incredible or what. Makes the Monsters of the Midway look ordinary. People thought he was too small to be a #1 WR.
Lame Ball- Vanderjagt. It didn't just go wide, it wasn't even close.
LiAmTrAnSdEmOn
1-16-06, 6:26 PM
Game ball-I agree with Leafer, Steve Smith. Over 200 yards and 2 TDs. The man is a pure monster. He just doesn't seem to be able to be stopped.
Lame ball-The refs, plain and simple. I kno I have complained about them during the regular season but this was by far the worst outing they have had. Messing up an easy replay call that my 15 year old sister could have gotten right, and she couldn't tell an Eagle from a Bengal. It seriously looks like they were trying to fix games for the Colts and Panthers. Panthers not nearly as obvious as the Colts, but there were some suspicious non-calls. But I have also seen some bogus pass interference calls from the Pats/Broncos and Seahawks/Redskins games.
Game ball - Bill Cower and his coaching staff, and the players that executed a well thought out game plan.
Lame ball - Jake The Mistake Plumber, I was wondering when he would show up again. 2 steps from a first down and he decides to throw down field into double coverage. Luckily the WR I believe it was Smith made an awesome catch. It was these kinds of decisions that hurt the Broncos most.
Lame ball - Jake The Mistake Plumber, I was wondering when he would show up again. 2 steps from a first down and he decides to throw down field into double coverage. Luckily the WR I believe it was Smith made an awesome catch. It was these kinds of decisions that hurt the Broncos most.:rolleyes:
Wow, you've probably been waiting about 20 weeks to jump on him for his second bad game of the season. Good for you.
I've been reading and hearing this sh!t from too many people. Fact is, Plummer had one of the best seasons of any quarterback in the league, winning 14 of 18 games (more than Manning, Brady, etc.) and received a Pro Bowl ticket for it. He throw a career and league low seven interceptions, yet he's still going to be bashed.
It was these kinds of decisions that hurt the Broncos most.Yeah, the soft zone and ineffective blitz they were using wasn't a problem. :rolleyes:
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