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Newfie John
8-27-05, 12:07 PM
I've been thinking about it, and doing a little research and I've found that our team isn't going to be much worse then our last team was. The team that got us 103 points and just one point out of the division lead(iirc).

Sure, we lost Alexander Mogilny. He was injured for the majority of the season anyway and when he did play, he was not effective.

Sure, Owen Nolan is gone also. He's in the same boat as Mogilny, IMO.

The guys that really hurt were Roberts and Nieuwendyk.

Jeff O'neill has come in coming off and off year. I think he will come back to form as some guys just have that one off year and back they go again to their normal status. O'neill replaces Gary Roberts production, and maybe a little more since Roberts will be turning 40 soon and he is quite injury prone. So that little bit of extra production could account for Nolan's or Mogilny's, but not quite all of it.

Then there is Jason Allison. I think its a safe bet to assume that Allison will get the 54 points that Newy scored. Remember, in the entire time he has played in the NHL, he has been great. After A LOT of time off(thanks to the lockout) he should be 100% and ready to go. This guy scored 95 points in his last season, so replacing Newy's 54 should be a safe bet. Who knows, he may score 70-80, but I won't hold my breath. If he does, Nolan's production is also covered.

Sure, we lost Brian Leetch. He only played 20 games for us anyway. Having Alexander Khavanov for 80 games should replace the production of Brian Leetch for 20 games.

That leaves us with the youngsters. Matt Stajan will only get better, hopefully Antropov will, Poni will only get better and Carlo Colaiocovo is ready to step in. Carlo will surely help our D.

Eddie is Eddie, but he had his injury troubles last season. We can't expect him to go injury free. Still though, despite a lot of injuries last year for Eddie, we still managed 103 points with Trevor Kidd as our backup, who was just horrible. Now we have Tellqvist ready to step in. In his limited time in the NHL, he's played well and in the AHL he's been just great. It's a VERY safe bet to assume Telly will be better then Kidd.

After ALL that said, we still have Eric Lindros. If you look at his stats, in the time he has played he has played well. Worst case scenario is 40 points from him, IMO. His injuries are a concern but really it was his shoulder that has ailed him recently, not his concussions. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this guy has only missed an average of 5(or was it 3?) games per season over the last 3 years due to concussion. He seems to have learned his lesson and has found out how to cope and how to avoid getting concussions. It's about time, he's had 8 of them. His shoulder should be back at 110% since he's had 2 years to recover and rehab it. Like I said, worst case scenario for Lindros is 40 points, but he could get 60. If thats the case we have even more talent up front then we did last season

Also, one last little tidbit, we have kept 20 goal scorer and super pest Darcy Tucker.

So, I'll ask the question again, is this team really going to be that bad? I think not. I think we could still get 90 points, maybe even get 100 again. To be safe, I'm going to predict 94 points, but lets remember getting 103 or 105 points isn't out of the question. Remember, last season we were playing in one of the toughest divisions, if not the toughest in hockey. This season only Ottawa has gotten better or stayed the same(depending on Hasek, getting worse). Boston isn't as good and Montreal is around the same thing, but a little better with their kids growing a little more. Buffalo still sucks.

Leaf fans, the sky is not falling.

Leafs_Fa_Life
8-27-05, 12:11 PM
I've been saying this from the first week of free agency when all of you were jumping off the bandwagon. Finally somebody else sees the light.

Man.Utd
8-27-05, 12:18 PM
I think the issue has always been staying healthy. Best case scenario you guys keep status-quo, possibly even a bit better. Worst case scenario? What does your lineup look like when Lindros, Allison, and Belfour are all out for the majority of the season and Kaberle / O'Neill don't find their form.

Newfie John
8-27-05, 12:22 PM
I think the issue has always been staying healthy. Best case scenario you guys keep status-quo, possibly even a bit better. Worst case scenario? What does your lineup look like when Lindros, Allison, and Belfour are all out for the majority of the season and Kaberle / O'Neill don't find their form.

The chances of all those bad things happening are slim to none.

Man.Utd
8-27-05, 12:24 PM
The chances of all those bad things happening are slim to none.

Ture, but I wouldn't put it past the Leafs to have both Lindros and Allison sitting on the IR, and that alone puts you guys in some trouble.

Newfie John
8-27-05, 12:25 PM
Ture, but I wouldn't put it past the Leafs to have both Lindros and Allison sitting on the IR, and that alone puts you guys in some trouble.

Yes, but Roberts and Nieuwendyk spent their fair share on the IR last season also.

Madferret
8-27-05, 12:33 PM
Yes, but Roberts and Nieuwendyk spent their fair share on the IR last season also.

Roberts played 72 games, Joe N played 64.

Man.Utd
8-27-05, 12:39 PM
Ferret beat me to it. They were both healthy for most of the season actually.

What if both Lindros and Allison are out for the year, or close to it? Two of Toronto's first three matches are against Ottawa. Absolute worst-case scenario, in one of those two games Eric gets caught with his head down by Volchenkov and is left brain-dead yet again. Then Chara sends Allison to hospital with a big hit. What's Toronto's lineup look like with only those two gone? Not only are you very thin at the wings, you're also very thin at center.

Newfie John
8-27-05, 12:43 PM
Roberts played 72 games, Joe N played 64.

Ok well, replace those names for Nolan and Mogilny.

KB in Kelowna
8-27-05, 1:04 PM
Ok well, replace those names for Nolan and Mogilny.

And how much is that trade with the Devils going to cost?

Man.Utd
8-27-05, 1:12 PM
Ok well, replace those names for Nolan and Mogilny.

I see what you're getting at, but Nolan played even more than Nieuwendyk did at 65 games.

Newfie John
8-27-05, 1:13 PM
I see what you're getting at, but Nolan played even more than Nieuwendyk did at 65 games.

Either way, thats almost 20 games off. Right now, Allison has as much chance getting injured as Sundin does.

grim
8-27-05, 2:19 PM
Two of Toronto's first three matches are against Ottawa. Absolute worst-case scenario, in one of those two games Eric gets caught with his head down by Volchenkov and is left brain-dead yet again. Then Chara sends Allison to hospital with a big hit.

What if one of them was taken out by... uh... you know?

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Man.Utd
8-27-05, 2:21 PM
If that were true there would've been many more teams in line for his services. He still gets some bad bad migranes from his past concussions. Although they have become less and less frequent one big hit could still finish his career. That does Lindros too. Players can't always recover from post-concussion syndromes. Luckily, Jamie seems to have been able to put his demons - for the most part- to rest. For now. If only teammate Deadmarsh was as lucky. He's done from virtually the same injury. Scott Stevens may be in the same boat too thanks to a Volchenkov hit that made it hard for him to walk his dog. But with him being close to the end of his career I think he may just be hanging them up a tad early rather than risk having some side-effects that last post-hockey.

I like the Lindros and Allison signings because quite frankly, they are worth the risk at that price. But there was always a very real possibility they go down with injury and don't come back. Playing in the North East doesn't make it any safer for them.

Amoroq
8-27-05, 2:39 PM
People mention injuries, but the thing about injuries is they can happen to anyone and anytime, or not. On paper, if all the players play to their potential and stay healthy then this team could duplicate or better last season. But I'm a realist, the Leafs always have their fair share of bad luck when it comes to injuries and they usually happen a week before the playoffs or in the first round. So I will hold my breath, hope on hope, and cheer on my team no matter what happens :)

PDO
8-27-05, 4:14 PM
Either way, thats almost 20 games off. Right now, Allison has as much chance getting injured as Sundin does.

So John... Pronger is a liability to get injured, but Allison isn't? :conspire:

Sorry for the OT comment, but it had to be said.

KB in Kelowna
8-27-05, 4:33 PM
Call me crazy, but I won't write off the Leafs for this season. Granted their core is older and there is a high risk of injury, but I just don't see them collapsing and finishing out of the playoffs as some have predicted in other places. I am not planning the parade down Younge Street to Nathan Phillips Sq, but I don't think they'll be golfing early.

Amoroq
8-27-05, 4:47 PM
Call me crazy, but I won't write off the Leafs for this season. Granted their core is older and there is a high risk of injury, but I just don't see them collapsing and finishing out of the playoffs as some have predicted in other places. I am not planning the parade down Younge Street to Nathan Phillips Sq, but I don't think they'll be golfing early.Can I still go ahead with plans to hold a Calder Cup Parade?

KB in Kelowna
8-27-05, 4:50 PM
Can I still go ahead with plans to hold a Calder Cup Parade?

Nah that one will be down Portage and Main, though I think our freind in Philly will post 2 dozen newspaper articles telling us why the Phantoms will repeat. :rolleyes: :laughing:

Amoroq
8-27-05, 4:57 PM
Nah that one will be down Portage and Main, though I think our freind in Philly will post 2 dozen newspaper articles telling us why the Phantoms will repeat. :rolleyes: :laughing:Oh Lord what did I just start?? :laughing:

PS: Is it just me or are the emoticons not being very emotional??? LOL

Newfie John
8-27-05, 11:32 PM
Man U could you provide a source as to where you heard he still suffers headaches? Not questioning your integrity or anything but I'm interested. From all I've heard from Allison and TSN and Sportsnet and have read, he's 100%. Also, FTR, he did not have a concussion. He had whiplash, which had concussion like systems. So, he isn't an "eggshell head" as some of you like to put it. It's just like one of those things Colaiocovo had when he had a torn eardrum, he had concussion like systems with that too. He's just as likely to get injured from that same injury as Sundin, just as Allison is. It's not like a situation such as Lindros, or other examples like Eddie's back, or Lindros' head, or yes PDO, Pronger's wrist which can reoccur. Freak injuries like Allison's or Coli's could happen to anybody as it happened to them.

Now I'm not going to say they're not going to get injured, but Almo and Nolan missed a lot. So either way we're adequately replaced from last season, and its even more then adequate assuming they don't get injured, which may not happen. Now, we're just going to have horrible luck if both Allison and Lindros get injured for the year. Like I said, the likelyness of both of it happening them is slim IMO. I do see a game here and a game here happening though, such as Roberts and to a bigger extent Nieuwendyk.

leaferfan87
8-28-05, 12:02 AM
Providing Allison and Lindros stay healthy, this team will be good. It was alot of Leaf fans panicking during the first few weeks of free agency with that big frenzy. People saw that the Leafs weren't active and panicked about the state of the team. But, when you settle down and look at the team you realize that if it stays healthy it could make some noise.

Man.Utd
8-28-05, 10:07 AM
John; my source was from an article in the London Free Press (Mike Ulmer) where it stated he still suffers some pretty bad migranes. It was posted by a Leaf troll once they signed Allison. Unfortunatly, I don't have a membership like he does so this is all we can read of it. http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/Sports/2005/08/12/1169696-sun.html

But it's google description refers to Lindros "He suffers headaches and is cut for 20 stitches and it is later....." and then later says how Allison is a risk aswell as he still has headache problem now and again.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about it too much. If a player can work out hard then he obviously isn't in too much trouble up-stairs in the time being. But these type of injuries can be very re-ocuring. Yes, it was whiplash and not a concussion. But he ended up having almost identical, and quite serious symptoms. It only takes one open ice hit.

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