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Madferret
8-23-05, 11:18 AM
As trade rumours swirl on eve of arbitration, Hossa camp 'ready to rumble' with Senators
By BRUCE GARRIOCH
Ottawa Sun

THE SENATORS were preparing last night to make a last-ditch offer to star winger Marian Hossa to head off today's scheduled arbitration hearing.

Sources told the Sun last night that Hossa and his agent Jiri Crha were expected to huddle at a Toronto hotel with Ottawa GM John Muckler and assistant Peter Chiarelli late into the evening, but there wasn't much hope of a deal being reached as rumours swirled that Hossa was being offered around the NHL.

$20M OFFER ON TABLE

And, if Hossa is unable to come to an agreement with the Senators, the two sides will duke it out in a no-holds-barred session set for this morning at 9 in front of arbitrator Michael Picher to see what Hossa will earn this season.

"I guess we're ready to rumble," Crha told the Sun after arriving in Toronto. "I really don't think we'll be able to get a deal done. The two sides are so far apart and we both have our positions. I would be very surprised if we didn't go to arbitration."

There was talk Muckler was prepared to offer a new five-year deal worth more than $20 million (all terms US) after Hossa thumbed his nose at two previous offers (two years, $8 million and three years, $11.9-million).

While the Senators believe they have a strong case against Hossa if it reaches arbitration, it could turn out to be a risky move by the club. Hossa can't be awarded more than a one-year deal by Picher, which means the high-scoring winger would become an unrestricted free agent next summer.

That could spur the Senators on to trade Hossa now so they don't lose him for nothing. And it's believed the Rangers and Sharks called Muckler to ask about Hossa's availability.

The word is Hossa will be using the deals signed by Columbus' Rick Nash (five years, $25 million) and Tampa Bay's Vincent Lecavalier (five-years, $27.5 million) as leverage in front of the arbitrator.

There was talk last night both of those contracts may have been motivated by the fact Rangers GM Glen Sather was sniffing around and looking at the possibility of making an offer sheet to both players. Since Hossa filed for arbitration, he wasn't eligible to receive a Group II offer sheet.

Since Hossa has better numbers than Lecavalier in virtually every category over the last three seasons, it would stand to reason he'll ask for something in the $7-million range.

The Senators will argue Hossa's numbers are no better than Colorado's Milan Hejduk or Alex Tanguay. Both will make about $3.5 million this season.Once Picher has heard the arguments, he must hand down his decision in 24 hours.

"The arbitrator can decide any number. My guess is he'll come in around $4-to-$4.5 million since there are no unrestricted years involved in a one-year decision," a well-informed league source said.

Frig up it to 23 M over 5 ffs...that would be his 4.5 / per that he's looking for. Smolinski & de Vries are easily moveable...

:curse:

butterfly_style
8-23-05, 11:20 AM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp;jsessionid=OFGBBKDAOMKD?content=200508 23_095439_4876

6 mil a year.
Redden, Alfie, Chara gotta feel worried about their jobs as senators.

Madferret
8-23-05, 11:26 AM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp;jsessionid=OFGBBKDAOMKD?content=200508 23_095439_4876

6 mil a year.
Redden, Alfie, Chara gotta feel worried about their jobs as senators.

I'd say Smolinksi and de Vries are the first two to go. So that's the roster finalized correct? Everyones signed..where are we sitting Cap wise?

Madferret
8-23-05, 11:35 AM
Forget it, got the numbers...w/ Hossa we're at 38,854,400.00
de Vries & Smoke account for 4,522,000.00 of that. Get rid of those two and it's down to 34,332,400.00

Max Power
8-23-05, 11:42 AM
Forget it, got the numbers...w/ Hossa we're at 38,854,400.00
de Vries & Smoke account for 4,522,000.00 of that. Get rid of those two and it's down to 34,332,400.00

I thought that put us at 38 even?

Madferret
8-23-05, 11:46 AM
I thought that put us at 38 even?

38 + including call-ups a la Hamel etc..

Max Power
8-23-05, 11:55 AM
38 + including call-ups a la Hamel etc..

Yah but they don't count on the cap unless they're used a certain amount of games. I think we?re ok but we are over what Muckler said they wanted so a trade is a possibility

Madferret
8-23-05, 11:59 AM
Yah but they don't count on the cap unless they're used a certain amount of games. I think we?re ok but we are over what Muckler said they wanted so a trade is a possibility

I'd rather have us hovering around the 33-34 M mark with next year's Cap still in question. I think the writing is on the wall for at least one of either Smoke or de Vries.

Man.Utd
8-23-05, 12:00 PM
We only need to get rid of one of Smolinski / de Vries, as that'll leave us with over 3M in buffer space and Muckler said he'd like at least 2M. I say we keep them both to start the season and make our descision based on how they play. If de Vries can't find his form the descision is an easy one.

Anyway, I'm not happy about the finances of this deal. There's no way Hossa is worth as much as Naslund and quite frankly I think he would've got less in arbitration. But a three-year deal keeps him here for a good while and he may may well prove to be worth it. He'll be putting up Naslund numbers now (IMO) with the new rules (90+ points) and he's only hit the beginning of his prime. He lacks the awards, but if he had the benefit of playing with a Bertuzzi and Morrison over a Bonk/Smolinski and a Schefer/Fisher that may be different.

Time will tell. I'm not loving this deal but I'm not hating it either. I guess if I had to choose I'd say I'm close to the latter thought. I would have rather seen Hossa go to arbitration, see him leave via qualifier and trade ala Pronger next season, and keep more core players around for longer.

Man.Utd
8-23-05, 12:07 PM
Money figures have went from unoffcial to comfirmed. It is indeed 18M over 3 years. The cap hit will, as already known, be 6M each season. However, Hossa is actually set to collect 5M this year, 6M next year, and 7M the year after that.

EDIT- Does Muckler know something we don't in regards to the Cap figures? It would makes sense regarding the last year of Hossa's deal even if the cap hit gets averages out. Maybe he think's revenues will rise giving teams more cap room? I don't know about that. But I doubt they go any lower. The league is at rock-bottom as it is as far as revenues go thanks to the lockout.

Max Power
8-23-05, 12:13 PM
One thing to also consider guys is Ottawa could easily trade Hossa after this season. Muckler may have seen a large amount of interest in the 7 million man Hossa and thought hey why not sign him for six and trade him next year to free up cap space. Like we all know if Hasek stays healthy this year might be our best shot at a cup so 38 million is worth a cup win

Man.Utd
8-23-05, 12:18 PM
One thing to also consider guys is Ottawa could easily trade Hossa after this season. Muckler may have seen a large amount of interest in the 7 million man Hossa and thought hey why not sign him for six and trade him next year to free up cap space. Like we all know if Hasek stays healthy this year might be our best shot at a cup so 38 million is worth a cup win

Not only that but if we win the Cup - just like with any other team - some player will be willing to take a tad less to stay here. It won't make up millions but every bit helps.

Max Power
8-24-05, 5:02 PM
Well Muckler was on the Radio saying Hossa warned him he would not return (next year) if it went to arbitration :conspire:
The more I hear the more I'm disappointed in this Hossa guy

Newfie John
8-24-05, 5:16 PM
Well Muckler was on the Radio saying Hossa warned him he would not return (next year) if it went to arbitration :conspire:
The more I hear the more I'm disappointed in this Hossa guy

Reminds you of Havlat doesn't it?

Man.Utd
8-24-05, 5:23 PM
Well Muckler was on the Radio saying Hossa warned him he would not return (next year) if it went to arbitration :conspire:
The more I hear the more I'm disappointed in this Hossa guy

That's hardly a surprise. Seeing as arbirators can only award one-year deals if a player is only on season away from unrestricted free agency, I thought it was a given? If he became a UFA I don't think anybody thought he would be coming back.

It doesn't so much remind me of Havlat but rather 95% of all big-name UFA's who hit the open market after being under-paid in a small market for years..... granted if he stayed and we won the Cup he might have had a change of heart.

Madferret
8-24-05, 7:08 PM
Reminds you of Havlat doesn't it?

Yashin is more like it..
I also like the message it sends to players looking to put themselves way ahead of the team.

macca
8-25-05, 7:56 AM
I also heard on the radio that Muckler wanted to sign Redden, Chara and Hossa to long term contracts for the same amount of money. Two of the three agents liked that proposal, one didn't. Guess which one? In the end Hossa got what he wanted; a boot full of money that he doesn't deserve and now he is in a hockey market that won't expect too much from him. Good bye!

Newfie John
8-25-05, 12:20 PM
Yashin is more like it..
I also like the message it sends to players looking to put themselves way ahead of the team.

True. I think Mucks has boosted his reputation again in Ottawa, depending on Hasek ofcourse.